You Spoony Guide! - A Troubadour's Libretto

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By Phoenix.Yidhra 2013-12-19 12:38:15  
Is there an example of a 'starter set' of pieces I could buy from RoE or from the Peacekeepers Coalition to get started with Bard before starting to farm for more gear? I'll be able to +2 the Empy armor hopefully by end of this login campaign, but need something in the meantime to get going with.
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2013-12-22 04:23:00  
brioso roundlet +1 and lurid mitts should be best in slot for the max debuff set, unless I'm missing something.
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By Siren.Bruno 2013-12-24 12:10:37  
^didn't catch that, thanks, the way it was arranged in the FFXIAH spoiler of the item made me mistake M.Acc for Acc lol.
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By Pocketmonster 2014-01-03 09:34:10  
http://www.ffxiah.com/item/20629/legato-dagger
just incase it hasnt been mentioned yet
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By Creecreelo 2014-01-04 02:05:23  
Genbu's Shield can have Macc+5 on it with augments for Max Debuff set.

Sorry, as much as I love the checkerboard shield, it's been bugging me that it's not Genbu's.
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By Gruknor 2014-01-14 16:26:43  
Phoenix.Yidhra said: »
Is there an example of a 'starter set' of pieces I could buy from RoE or from the Peacekeepers Coalition to get started with Bard before starting to farm for more gear? I'll be able to +2 the Empy armor hopefully by end of this login campaign, but need something in the meantime to get going with.

Nares legs are fairly easy to get, just require a bit of luck with the floor jumps. They are great for a refresh set. I would also work on an idle and debuff sets. Farming Abyssea for the right augmented rings can take days, but it is worth it because all jobs benefit from having those. Cheaper than a defender ring, can have both -pdt and -mdt on them, perfect for idle set.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-01-14 17:02:04  
I'm missing something, why is Marduk body +1 better than Sha'ir/Sheikh manteel for optimal precast on songs? Isn't it only 11% FC? Does song casting time- have a low cap?
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2014-01-14 18:56:56  
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
I'm missing something, why is Marduk body +1 better than Sha'ir/Sheikh manteel for optimal precast on songs? Isn't it only 11% FC? Does song casting time- have a low cap?
I know marduk +1 body(11%) and hands(7% songcasting) get a set bonus of fastcast. Set bonus for the two pieces are 3%. So for the set that's 21%. Compared to manteel's 13. Now Gendewitha Gages start with 5 7* fast cast and can be augmented with 5% song casting time so if you're lucky they are better.

Song casting time is the same 80% and it's still fairly difficult to hit without Minstrel's Ring.

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By Ramuh.Austar 2014-01-14 19:02:43  
Gages are 7%
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2014-01-14 19:04:24  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Gages are 7%
Err, yeah sorry. /Derp.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2014-01-14 19:26:57  
So ideally, it's manteel and gendewitha then. you'd only need an augment of 2% with HQ manteel and 3% with NQ to make it a better set than marduk+1 x2, which shouldnt be difficult.

That's where my confusion is coming from; i've been using manteel and gende hands on my mule because it's better, but I keep seeing marduk being listed as the ideal body for it, so was j/w if I was missing something.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2014-01-14 19:52:08  
I say screw the augments and carry marduk x2. body is still useful for fast cast. most of the time your songs are with nightingale anyways.
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2014-01-24 06:24:51  
Can anyone explain what gear i put on at start of song casting then change to what gear during middle of the cast? I'm using 5/5 af3 +2 at the moment. I tried looking up info but still a little confused.
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By Lakshmi.Kyera 2014-01-24 06:40:27  
Hi Amymy! Put on your Songcasting time -% gear (Felibre's Dague, Sha'ir Manteel), fast cast gear (Swith Cape, Prolix Ring, Loquacious Earring, whatever) , and fill in remaining slots with Damage Taken gear or whatever else you want. Midcast, you'll want to switch that stuff out for anything that boosts your songs (IE AF3+2, Legato Dagger, AF109/119 Feet etc.) and then fill in the rest with fast cast/haste. Basically this allows you to cast your songs faster, while also getting the benefits of song-boosting gear. Hope that helps, if you need any more pointers hit me up in LS or /tell me.
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By Lakshmi.Amymy 2014-01-24 07:48:35  
Thank you kyera I understand it better now.
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By Sylph.Peldin 2014-01-24 19:31:09  
I was looking at the BRD debuff sets, and noticed that AF3+2 legs were in the Debuff EZ set. Is this because of the 10 singing skill? Does that skill make it better than 109 Brioso legs?

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but what we do know is that skill and macc are rough equivalents
Does this refer to singing skill only? Or whatever instrument you're using? Or both?

The way I read this looks to me like this:
If I'm using Elegy with Syrinx, then each Wind instrument skill is equivalent to 1 magic accuracy and each Singing skill is equivalent to one magic accuracy.
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By siskotaru 2014-01-28 05:00:08  
Brioso Canions (109) Are slightly better for Macc set. Brioso Canions +1 has 23CHR, 14Macc and +15 Wind skill. So aim for that.

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currently trying to max out my Macc set. I was wondering what would be the best weapon beside mythic. Would Magian Light Macc staff be better for Lullaby than 119 Dagger or Soothslayer + Grip?
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By Ragnarok.Ejiin 2014-01-28 05:32:29  
siskotaru said: »
currently trying to max out my Macc set. I was wondering what would be the best weapon beside mythic. Would Magian Light Macc staff be better for Lullaby than 119 Dagger or Soothslayer + Grip?

venabulum would be better than 119 Mandau and Twash, but doesn't match Carn. Izhiikoh would be relatively the easiest to obtain after those, but a great macc. augment on Lehbrailg +1 could come very close to that. Pretty much any ilevel weapon will beat ToM staves for pure macc. now.
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By Bismarck.Bongarippa 2014-01-28 12:02:30  
So I know a lot has changed since I stopped playing (roughly mid october) but I was wondering what kind of top tier dd setup is there for a brd. Even an upgrade to what I currently use as my dd setup. Currently my set is ItemSet 319102
so I'm sure theres plenty to upgrade.
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By Siren.Bruno 2014-01-28 15:20:58  
Bismarck.Bongarippa said: »
So I know a lot has changed since I stopped playing (roughly mid october) but I was wondering what kind of top tier dd setup is there for a brd. Even an upgrade to what I currently use as my dd setup. Currently my set is ItemSet 319102
so I'm sure theres plenty to upgrade.

This seems to be top tier.

ItemSet 289363

Rancor Collar is better for beefier things like Delve bosses, but Asperity is more favorable for things like Delve fodder and Dynamis.

DW+3/Crit rate+2 on Osode. DA set earrings and Aetosaur+1 body for single-wielding subs. If you don't have an aug Osode or MP merits for Oneiros Ring then this is probably most optimal

ItemSet 316830



As for Weapon skills:

Exenterator
ItemSet 267136

If you don't have Exenterator than an Evisceration set would probably look something close to this

ItemSet 242686

Att+4/TP Bonus+25 Moonshade.


Since you're just coming back, the Espial set is easy to get from Records of Eminence, that's a good place to start, and the whole set is pretty good for most general DD needs. :)
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By Bismarck.Bongarippa 2014-01-28 15:40:55  
Thanks for the sets. I dont plan on using dd brd for delve bosses, but its just something i like to play around with and solo. Like I'll do dyna or something brd/dnc or reives. I think its fun poking stuff, especially when you can make your own music while doing so. I dont have extenerator, but I do plan on i119 my mandau so I'll have mercy stroke.
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By Leviathan.Jackieolivas 2014-01-29 10:30:49  
I just came back after a long break. All my gear (except the Legato Dagger I bought when I first reactivated and logged in) predates Seekers and I never had the chance to get any NNI or Salvage II pieces.

Any tips/suggestions for updating Buff and Debuff sets from the AH or stuff I can solo fairly easily as BRD/WHM? For reference, I have 99 Gjallarhorn and 90 (unfortunately probably permanent) Daurdabla.
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By siskotaru 2014-02-07 10:21:44  
Don't want to start a new thread for this,

I'm looking for infos about Clarion Call.
With Daurdabla 90, It seems that I have to use Clarion Call before third song to be able to sing the 4th one.

I made 4 macros for pre-buffing

1 > Herb pastoral
2 > Goblin Gavotte
3 > Ice carol
4 > Clarion Call > Wait 1 > Water carol II
(All with Daurdabla)

In this order, 4th song doesn't go off.

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If I hit macro #4 before #3, it works just fine.

I would like to know the exact mecanics of the ability.
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By Asura.Loire 2014-02-07 10:45:17  
Clarion call adds to the native amount of songs you are able to have up. So the order would be song, song, clarion song, daur song.
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By Sylph.Reain 2014-02-08 07:40:47  
siskotaru said: »
1 > Herb pastoral
2 > Goblin Gavotte
3 > Ice carol
4 > Clarion Call > Wait 1 > Water carol II
(All with Daurdabla)

I would expect this to work as long as the Water Carol II is casted with Daurdabla, unless there's a difference between how Daurdabla 90 and 99 work. Can you check your are definitely using Daurdabla for the Water Carol II?
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2014-02-08 09:53:03  
Here's how I do it.

Use all 4 JA's
Soulvoice
Clarion Call
N/T

Main song 1
Main song 2
Main song 3

Paeon 1 (placeholder song sans any duration gear and using daurdabla)

Main Song 4

You only have to sing 5 songs this way instead of 8.

If it's 4 songs you can simply add another paeon place holder and then sing song 5 after.

You can use almost any song you want for a place holder, just make damn sure it isn't a song like scherzo or hymnus if you are SV'ing as they get a huge duration bonus from it and you'll never be able to override them.
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By Jurant 2014-02-14 19:05:04  
Anybody have a good Spellcast for a 2song bard? or Lua if you do not mind giving me a quick run down on how it works.
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By Manaflow 2014-02-14 20:31:58  
I just started using spellcast for bard. I used this to get me started, then looked at some brd spellcasts to give me an idea how it works.
http://legacy.windower.net/topic/19480-genesisxs-spellcast-tutorial-guide-discussion/page__p__206138__hl__tutorial__fromsearch__1#entry206138
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By Sylph.Reain 2014-02-17 20:38:20  
Hunter's Prelude is 30 R.acc
Archer's Prelude is 40 R.acc

Prelude+4 gives an extra 10 R.acc per song
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