Tizona

Just looking for some info on this weapon, is it worthwhile at all or just garbage. I really wanted to make a mythic but could not be sold on the common DD ones. I already have apoc 99 and I don't see anything being a huge boost from that. Which brings me to tizona, I love BLU and I am either gonna 99 almace or 99 tizona but I'm hoping that someone can shed some light on the more recent numbers as most of the data on it comes from 75 content.

I've heard different lines of thought on it. I've heard it's the best since req came along. But I've also heard that spending time building 300% tp + using expiacion isn't worth the cost, but I guess it depends on the situations. Blu doesn't have any good way to get tp quickly like drg or sam so keeping up AM3 would be difficult I would think, but the mp convert* and when you do have AM3 would look to be pretty nice. Any place with Temp items would be amazing, but anytime you spend time not meleeing a mob, it'd be difficult to make up for.

But if you want my unofficial opinion... Make A Tizona or a Koga for your sam, cause then you can buy my alex and stay away from my HMP ^^;

I think most blu's largely see Tizona as the ultimate trophy. Just being in a l/s with a Tizona blu he seems to get much more use out of his Almace. Just using a post from Byrth as a general guide, I think you could improve on your Apoc for DD purposes -

From this post.

Man ppl hate on Apoc so much, give me march's and I will outparse 95% of the server.

But anyways, on topic, yeah I am thinking about just sticking with almace as it sounds like its the best for blu and my pld would benefit.

Should be able to outparse and actually outparsing are two different things. Having those weapons doesn't make them do more damage. It just means they should do more damage.

I think if you are an attentive dd, who knows the job, adapts to the situation and has top tier gear, you'll outparse 95% as a default.

damn one comment and thread de-railed :/

Just have to wait for one of our resident blu gods to drop by and you can get a better answer backed by math/experience. I based my comments directly off the things I've read here but I only dabble in the DD math and I don't have a Tizona so I can't give you a good answer.

I'm assuming tizona does not work offhand?

No, and neither does almace, I mean short of Damage/delay and normal stats like the Dex + on almace and the macc on tizona. It's too bad, it'd be a good boost to dw jobs.

The macc from Tizona would'nt work offhand either actually.
Only the stat+ from emps does, I belive.
Atleast relics(atk+ from 1handers is easy to test) dont work offhand >_>

I thought they changed relics a while back so the stats would work off hand? Or perhaps it's just something I heard players bitching about...

Naw, they messed up and it worked for a while on the test server, then they patched it because it was too useful.

That was a bug that SE 'fixed'. The only stats relic/mythic keep in the offhand are damage/delay.

As a pure DD weapon, tizona is just worse than almace. The huge attack penalty on requiescat hinders it greatly against high level/defense enemies, and for weaker stuff where tizona + requiescat would shine, keeping up the 300tp aftermath seems impractical or not worthwhile (neonyzul, limbus, dynamis, etc. and obviously almace is going crush it in abyssea with razed ruins)

The real strength of the weapon is the mp regeneration, but the usefulness of that is pretty limited these days. And if we ever get a refresh II equivalent, or a spell that can generate MP from non-aspirable enemies (in the vein of entropy, spirit taker, etc.), it could become obsolete even on that front.

TLDR: Blu is my main job, but if I ever made a mythic, it wouldn't be tizona.

Hey man!

Pretty much this:


A while ago, I believe it was Prothescar, did the math and Tizona + Requi was coming ahead of 99 Almace ONLY if you can keep 300tp aftermath up, which for blu (unless idk we ever get TP Drainkiss) is pretty unlikely, and you'd be missing out on awesome lvl 99 boosted Cdcs.

And I mean c'mon, Zorro all the things always and save 350 Million gil, at least that was the choice I made.

Why would it be hard to keep up 300% AM? If you're actually allowed to DD as BLU in end game events you'd be getting marches + haste + possibly fighter's, your rate of attack would be insane. I'd think you'd easily be able to get up to 300% TP in the last 30 or so seconds of AM3, especially given the fact that you have the Occ. Attacks Twice or Thrice from the AM3 itself. But all speculation as I don't have a Tizona myself lol >.<

The problem is as you're building to 300% tp, you lose 3 possible WSs which deducts from AM's overall utility. I say 3 because you must use expiacion at 300, which is pretty weak. Also, unless you have cor roll or embrava on long enough before the first fight, you need to build to 300% without AM. (This can be avoided in a few fights such as ADL)

The reason drg+sam mythics are so useful are because they have the JAs to obtain 300tp in a matter of seconds. And the 40% boost to drakesbane makes it also the best WS to use with the weapon. Blu+tizona has neither of these advantages

If we're talking endgame Legion, leave blu at home since you'll be just wasting an ally spot as things are now :'(
Everything else yeah, you reach 300 tp fast but at the loss of a lot of dps and honestly I don't know if the oa2/3 makes up for it.

Proth already did the math iirc and it was stated earlier as well as being added onto by Nightfyre if you can find a way to start with 300% TP Tizona pulls ahead.

Unfortunately, Tizona is a trophy. It's something to get if you have nothing else to get. Even then it's probably best if you spent time getting something else... I loved blu with all my heart and was excited to see the additional effect on the sword was gaining MP back and the aftermath was Occ. Attack twice/thrice back when the sword first came out... but now that mathers have combed through the nitty gritty of the sword it's just a pretty gold sword that SE thought would benefit Blu but failed to deliver...

If you want a Mythic, do the one you personal want the most.
If Tizona is something you've always wanted, go for it.

More thorough answer:

no buffs, uncapped Ratio: Almace always wins
no buffs, capped Ratio: Tizona wins if you start with 300 TP but loses when you have to rebuild AM3.
marches, uncapped Ratio: Almace always wins
marches, capped Ratio: Tizona wins by ~8% if both start with 300 TP and sidegrades if you have to rebuild AM3
town gear: Tizona always wins

If you've got a lot of non-melee time (running around, spells), expect Almace to fare better than the above.

/thread.

Well thanks guys, looks like I'll start collecting hmp and cinders. With a little luck I'll have it done in a week or two.

Ratio refers to crit hit ratio or capped attack or both?


also it's

Golden Cream Dipped-Banana vs Mini Greatsword of Flaming Justice!

Ratio = attack

Wouldn't Tizona wins if majority of your dmg came from MP?

I sometimes solo SSR and have to AoE burn F 2 3 4 mobs to save time, that's a lot of MP used even with sanction refresh.

So your point is you should make Tizona so you can farm Salvage better?