Matsui: "Sorry To Keep You Waiting!"

Also, given how many things they've been talking about fixing in SoA (the enmity system being the biggest, most glaring target) - wouldn't you rather wait until they get it right?

People said March because they thought it would come out after ARR, which people thought would be December because of Amazon.

ARR won't be out until Late-Summer at least, so if you're going to be naive and base release dates off of ARR, then you're looking at Fall2013 at the earliest.

I bet on November-December 2013 when they announced it. SE is almost always late of their official release dates and they're obviously backed up trying to bail out FFXIV.

I bet we see a Meebles expansion in December and get Salvage in January or February.

Honestly, I think even late-summer 2013 is optimistic for ARR. I bet SoA will beat it out the door, simply because it's an expansion, not the total rewrite that ARR is.

I'd actually expect July for SoA, and something like October for ARR.

I think you spelled dominate wrong

I'm fine with both of these things.

Mods, please pardon my outburst, but I mother****ing love this guy.

I think the worst part of waiting for SoA is that even once they "release" it we all know the content will be 1/4 complete and the storyline will be similarly dragged out over years and years.

The more I think about SoA, the more I wonder what all is going to be in it. Previous expansions got to pad their zone count with exp areas (sync parties on colibri for WotG, colibris for ToAU, etc).

What exactly are all of the zones for SoA going to be full of?

Well they announced a few interesting things to come out with it, which is awesome..just hope they have enough filler till then though, not sure if Salvage will last that long. Byrth mentioned Meeble expansions, which I didn't think about.

Give us more meebles with more KI's to hold and/or meeble-duststones to be able to trade in, and abyssite-type things that can reduce the number of hours for a KI.... and I'll be fine waiting

SE:

We'll often say that something is good through or will last through a certain date, which should be taken as it applying from now (or whenever it would be released) until that end date.

If people subscribe too early they may get up to speed too soon and unsubscribe again, especially with the nonexistence of current content of interest. I'd say 3 months before release is their target, preferably with a decent amount of relatively new content to boot (so probably not until neo-Salvage regardless). Whether or not things go to plan is an entirely different matter.

Depends on how the beta goes. Mid summer is doable if there are no major delays in beta, as that gives them a full six month window for beta testing. SoA... hard to say without having any idea of what kind of staff is on it, what exactly they're pushing for at release, or what kind of pressure they're seeing from higher-ups, but I could see April or May happening.

This sounds familiar....

Three months is basically what I was thinking, but three month is also about the maximum I think they could forecast a release date and be sure they wouldn't have to push it back.

Yeah, it's a fine line. I also edited in a thought, they'll need more substantial content by then as well so you're probably looking at an announcement around the time neo-Salvage comes out unless Adoulin's release window is significantly past that point. That gives returning players Salvage, Meebles, Nyzul, Legion, and Limbus plus Dyna and Voidwatch if they're not up to speed on those events. Maybe Play as a Monster depending on whenever the hell that's coming out.

Personal islands, two new jobs, and areas with content based on. How actively the zones re played in are the highlights for me

Okay thanks, I actually wasn't aware of this form.

WoTG had 2 months of warning for the release date. WotG was rehashed zones and no content for years.

There's new hobbies too in Adoulin, they showed the icons with the names.

But, but, but, but... it had new jobs.....

To be fair, they probably started developing WotG about a week before the announcement.

Two inherently flawed jobs.

ftfy^

I was going to say the day of but I figured the trailer (there was a trailer right? ancient history here) would loosely count as "development".

Dat mods.

As for the "personal islands" or whatever. I strongly suspect it'll just be a different moghouse model with a few more functions. <_<

Hooray.

But we can grow broccoli.

It's nice to have expectations while we still can. Enjoying the time between the imagination and when they crush our dreams.

Given their ego, this is probably true.