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Legit Neo-Nyzul Guide
 Siren.Stunx
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By Siren.Stunx 2012-08-31 10:57:35  
only items my group use are about 12-14 powder boots(and sprinters drink), temps, sneak, food, and never had the need for AH meds. a few have used darts. All DD also macro 3 temps at the start and get again from the box, all in about 15sec or less from being able to move to the box.
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By Bismarck.Scuzzelbutt 2012-08-31 10:58:18  
SCH should NOT 2 hour if the first floor is Lamps.

SCH should recast the following 1-3 jumps after the first recast.
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By Siren.Stunx 2012-08-31 10:59:47  
recast as long as its up after the floor jumps is what we do.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-08-31 11:45:48  
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Vijara said: »
Leviathan.Egonn said: »
Eliminate enemy leader. (NM Floors) One special Notorious Monster unique to the assault and from the following list will be present and must be defeated.
Chariots: Scutum Chariot, Bellum Chariot, Pistolium Chariot, Cornum Chariot.
Flans: Groaty Custard, Caramel Custard, Cardamom Custard
Imps: Nukku, Nokko, Nekke
Poroggos: Uroro Samaroro, Iroro Samaroro, Aroro Samaroro
Soulflayers: Abject Awiija, Abject Farzahd, Abject Kharoub
Qiqirns: Nerve Render Yiyiroon, Eye Piercer Fafaroon, Mad Miner Boboroon
These are like a free floor if you can find them. Just find and kill
Someone hasn't encountered Mr. PDT Custard (Cardamom Custard) huh? Hope you have a BLU with your or have a SCH AoE en-fire or you're gonna have a bad time.

Infernal scythe or herculean slash spamming, MB drain II on darkness SC.
Dies faster if you just SE Twilight DoT, even one DRK can kill it VERY fast, I used to be the only DRK of the 3 with a Twilight. Then a second one brought his, the thing went down like a prom night girl.

I had 5 pairs of Powder boots when I started, I used my last Flee charge the run I got 15/15.

Legit wins have a good feel but it's really frustrating. I enjoyed Nyzul despite the serious bad luck at times.

If you don't suck and most of your group doesn't, patience is the only advice I can give.

Other than the 2 SCHs, there is absolutely 0 obligation when it comes to DD choice. Obviously, you want something heavy, but heavy for this content, not heavy as a general rule. All in all, I feel like the playstyle plays a huge part in the success. You can play Ukon WAR, an Almace BLU or Vere MNK, if you are a waste of a POL ID, you won't go far.

Should use Twilight scythe IF you have it yeah.

P.S. : if BB is up use Drain instead of Drain II for MB.
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By Hades.Tripster 2012-08-31 11:49:38  
Bismarck.Scuzzelbutt said: »
SCH should NOT 2 hour if the first floor is Lamps.

SCH should recast the following 1-3 jumps after the first recast.

Nope, the DD tend to think they're invincible and start running off aggroing every single ***they find till they're overwhelmed and die. Embrava should be going off in the first floor regardless if its "single enemy" or "lamps", simply because the fact DDs won't think 2x in aggroing the whole level, with or without Embrava.

And also, you can reaply Embrava til Tabula Rasa wears.
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By Leviathan.Skinnymcgee 2012-08-31 11:51:42  
Suggestion for SCH buffs

First embrava SCH: When you enter -> (enhancing gear) get your temps -> Accession -> Perpetuance -> Tabula Rasa -> wait for them to take you up -> Embrava -> Accession -> Shell

Second embrava SCH: When you enter -> (enhancing gear) get your temps -> Accession -> wait for them to take you up -> Protect V -> Accession -> Phalanx

That seems to be the most efficient I've found. Then get haste/en-spells(if necessary) on people while running around. Feedback welcome.
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By Hades.Tripster 2012-08-31 11:53:02  
Odin.Blazza said: »
So yeah, what's the least and most amount of floors you've had to pass to reach 100?

Least was 15 I think, it's hard to find those, won with 10 minutes spare.

But on the other times we've jumped 22, 23 floors and couldn't reach 100. I think you may start having a chance after 17th or 18th jump.

Usually, I measured with the first Embrava. If the first Embrava wore at the 30~ floors, that was probably a fail. If it wore around 50~60 we had a chance. If it wore past 70~, then honey pop a bottle of champagne and enjoy your win.
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By Bismarck.Angeleus 2012-08-31 11:54:19  
How come some JP groups do fine without emps and 2x sch, or unless, they have a special programs...?
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By Bismarck.Zagen 2012-08-31 11:59:09  
Very nice guide, it's nice to see one put together finally.

Bismarck.Angeleus said: »
How come some JP groups do fine without emps and 2x sch, or unless, they have a special programs...?
Spamming floor 80 over 100, not much easier but it increases your chances of winning and after 25 wins there's your 100 item. Happy with floor 100 clear rates of like 10%. Some people are happy with options like this, some aren't.
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By Hades.Tripster 2012-08-31 12:02:01  
Regarding Scholar... in my opinion.

- Embrava every time you get up a floor and Tabula Rasa is up.
Meanwhile, during first floor, the Tabula Rasa SCH should be running around Perpetuance+Haste everybody since you get ilimited stratagems.
- Regen V is the next spell if you want your DDs to have.
- Protect V and Shell V should be next on the list.
- Phalanx
- Enspell
- Firestorm (adds STR to DDs, mine used to add +7 STR)
- Adloquium (only if have free stratagems to use and all the other buffs are up)
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By Leviathan.Dastrian 2012-08-31 12:03:18  
Leviathan.Skinnymcgee said: »
Suggestion for SCH buffs

First embrava SCH: When you enter -> (enhancing gear) get your temps -> Accession -> Perpetuance -> Tabula Rasa -> wait for them to take you up -> Embrava -> Accession -> Shell

Second embrava SCH: When you enter -> (enhancing gear) get your temps -> Accession -> wait for them to take you up -> Protect V -> Accession -> Phalanx

That seems to be the most efficient I've found. Then get haste/en-spells(if necessary) on people while running around. Feedback welcome.


This is good, and going as a blu to help out I pop off a
diffusion > animating wail while the scholars get off the other buffs
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-08-31 12:22:10  
Don't forget to manifestation+ebulience+parsimony kaustra if you're the running sch with 2hr up. Can do major damage on kill all floors. Granted its very job ability and gear swap intensive to go from healing to nuke mode, but if you use spellcast it shouldn't be a problem.
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By Sylph.Takitu 2012-08-31 12:32:28  
Cerberus.Maeldiar said: »
Don't forget to manifestation+ebulience+parsimony kaustra if you're the running sch with 2hr up. Can do major damage on kill all floors. Granted its very job ability and gear swap intensive to go from healing to nuke mode, but if you use spellcast it shouldn't be a problem.


I dont think that would be very useful because you would just cast it 1 or 2 times then run out of mp.... and even if you convert you are going to need that mp to cure someone
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By Cerberus.Maeldiar 2012-08-31 15:09:58  
Hence parsimony. Can use af3+2 legs as well to make conserve mp proc 100%. I've never had mp issues on sch unless I was not paying attention to using sublimation every time it was ready, and even then a convert fixes that, don't even have to cure yourself back up because of regen+embrava. Always bring ether and elixir temps of course but I've only had to resort to them a couple times in many dozens of runs.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2012-08-31 15:20:39  
Bismarck.Angeleus said: »
How come some JP groups do fine without emps and 2x sch, or unless, they have a special programs...?
Most if not all of the JP groups on Cerberus that I saw clear Nyzul had 4 DRKs and nothing else. 2 with Apoc, 2 with Rag.

That being said, saying that JPs don't have their own batch of tools would be naive.
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-08-31 15:25:55  
And Mael was following me around, and I'm an MP sponge. Don't get me started on Senk though. "Can't hit lamp, 50 mobs on me" ugh.
 
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By Leviathan.Trixter 2012-08-31 18:09:56  
nice guide ty
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By Cerberus.Diabolique 2012-08-31 18:28:27  
Vijara said: »
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Hence parsimony. Can use af3+2 legs as well to make conserve mp proc 100%.

Any self-respecting SCH with a 500 enhancing set should ignore this, and use the +15 skill from AF1/Portent Pants. Never use the parsimony pants on Embrava.
Didn't read that to well.
They were talking about Kaustra, not Embrava. Which is why Parsimony was mentioned instead of Penury.
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-08-31 18:59:40  
Couple things:

Powder boots are definitely not necessary. 15/15 and never used them for the last 8 or so. They are really only useful for lamp and leader floors (of which the lamp/leader may be right next to you thus rendering powder boots useless). They can be useful for spec enemy, but it's rare (from my experience) that the mob is far enough away from the runic to justify their use. You also have sprinter's drink, which, on many of the runs we won, I never used once.

RNG is a pretty nice DD for this now post delay reduction. The ability to switch between magic and physical damage is very helpful on certain mobs like the -PDT custard or spec enemies ebony puddings. Coronach also allows you to avoid some of the annoying debuffs on leader floors. For the most part I was just spamming last stand though. I wouldn't try it without an armageddon and an annihilator, but it was a nice upgrade for our group.
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By Madotsuki 2012-08-31 19:43:39  
Leviathan.Egonn said: »
Your blu should caste phalanx on everyone.
Do not do this, please. Barrier Tusk is bad. SCH/RDM's accession > Phalanx is far better.

Leviathan.Dastrian said: »
This is good, and going as a blu to help out I pop off a
diffusion > animating wail while the scholars get off the other buffs
This is what you should be applying with Diffusion.
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By Siren.Mcclane 2012-08-31 19:48:35  
My neo-nyzul guide to people who have trouble:

suck less

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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2012-08-31 19:52:36  
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
And Mael was following me around, and I'm an MP sponge. Don't get me started on Senk though. "Can't hit lamp, 50 mobs on me" ugh.
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By Kaerin 2012-09-03 02:52:13  
I been making fun of Pchan on OF for a bit about Neo Nyzul and how you can win without cheating. Maybe my latest video will help people here, since I finally managed to not delete the sound lol. My mule is up to 8/15 in just over 2 weeks.
Part 1: http://youtu.be/zfSsZS60DjI
Part 2: http://youtu.be/4Pd4FDemLOM
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By Leviathan.Comeatmebro 2012-09-03 02:56:07  
5-10 pieces on all my shitty galka mules, which are all still wearing brawny adargas, one has brown belt, all started doing nyzul in scorpion harness

pay attention, do your buffs right, dont get abysmal floors, done
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-09-03 04:22:08  
Sawtelle's guide to successful neonyzul:

You have just found a group attempting to do nyzul isle. Gratz! lets go over some basics.

This is in the undersea ruins. If you don't know how to get there, make sure you don't tell anyone this until the party has 6 people, and the other 5 are in the undersea ruins. By doing this, someone has to come escort you there. Its kind of like a trust fall team building exercise, and that's what nyzul isle is all about. Teamwork.

Once outside of the rune, your party leader might start talking about lighting up lamps or something. This is so you don't play in the dark. Playing in the dark is bad for your eyes. He obviously cares about your health. Taking breaks is also good for your health. You should afk for 10minutes now.

When you get back, you should run back to town and get your permit. It is important to always remember to forget to get a permit. On your way back to town, you will notice you are underwater and there is a wall of fish. Be a friend and point this out to everyone in your party. Make sure to use caps so they notice.

example: "LOLZ GUYS!!! THERES AN OCTOPUS!!! LOL!!!"

Upon getting back to the rune, you will likely be entered into nyzul. You will see a box and a weird pole. Better use all your AoE abilities to buff your party in case the box is a mimic.

Once your leader ports you, notice you forgot to bring food, echo drops, silent oils and prism powders for the 8th year in a row. Either ask for sneak and invis from the mage, or just aggro everything and ask for cures. If he takes longer than 3 seconds to do either, he probably didn't hear you. You should ask again. Use caps this time.

As I said, Nyzul Isle is all about teamwork. Make sure your macros inform your party what you are doing. Pop culture references may help make this relate-able. It may even help you find someone who shares similar interests to you. If you try and do something like self skillchain, and someone ruins it, make sure to inform them about it. Just click your "I'M SELF SKILLCHAINING!! SECRET WIND VILLAGE TECHNIQUE!!!" macro one or two or nine times. They will get the message.

Occasionally you will find NMs you have to kill. Make sure to disengage at 50% hp so you can be the one to click the box and get the ??? items. Don't even engage if its something important like Leaping Lizzy.

So now you are on a boss floor. This is why you have worked so hard to bond and make friends with the healer in your party. Everyone else will hack and make it so they have 2000 hp and get hit for 0 damage while you are stuck taking damage. Good thing the healer likes you. While fighting the mob will probably target you with stupid TP moves like hurricane wing and dreadstorm. Point out how its using all its TP moves on you, and you are tanking.

It should die soon. When it does it will definitely drop whatever item you happened to want. This is because everyone you are running with will hope that it doesn't drop what you want. Murphy's law says anything that can go wrong, will go wrong, and thus you now have a 5/6 chance of getting your item.
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By Shiva.Shaidalyn 2012-09-03 04:25:03  
Kaerin said: »
I been making fun of Pchan on OF for a bit about Neo Nyzul and how you can win without cheating. Maybe my latest video will help people here, since I finally managed to not delete the sound lol. My mule is up to 8/15 in just over 2 weeks.
Part 1: http://youtu.be/zfSsZS60DjI
Part 2: http://youtu.be/4Pd4FDemLOM
Pchan still exists? *shocked stagger*
Disturbing.

Anyhow, good work! I definitely will have to revisit this and watch those when I can use Youtube without waiting an hour :D
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-09-03 04:35:10  
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Sawtelle's AMAZING guide to successful neonyzul:

I follow it to the letter and I guarantee it works 100%!
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2012-09-03 05:20:26  
i should record a vid of my group gettin 15 fllor jumps and hitting floor 37 lol was good times made it to 83 in 23 jumps
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