Teacher Turns The Tables On School "bully"..

Yeah, it's hard to think of a title this late that will actually fit and is pertinent to the story.. Sue me <_<


This story kinda leaves me at a loss, not the details, just I'm reminded of something and I'm conflicted.. I was bullied in school, I'm too quiet for my own good.. I'll leave it at that.

There are 3 different lines of thinking running through my head right now.

1. Probably the most important.. I *** hate parents who say they didn't know.. I never buy that line. From experience as a kid myself and being a parent, if you really didn't know, then you need to be a better goddamn parent because it's not that hard to spot.. If you missed it, you probably just weren't looking hard enough (or refused to look for it to begin with).

2. Good for her. Not the decision I would have made, but you have to draw the line somewhere.. I've been there, schools teach you "just tell someone" but hell, that only makes things worse.. That whole line is *** and it's just meant to keep the school safe. It's their 'get out of jail free card'.. Could they take better preventive steps? You bet your *** they can.. There are any number of things that can be done. But hey, who cares, let's just give the bully detention for the 40th time, this year. Will they take those steps? No. Those steps cost money and they inconvenience the school officials, more forms to fill out at the end of the day and such. Not to mention every rule set fourth by the district, must be followed to the T, and every one ups the chances the principals and administrators are at a serious risk of losing their jobs.

3. If this were my kid, I would be pissed off royally.. My child isn't a bully, but he is still a trouble maker (he's one of those kids who never stop talking, never sit down, no matter what you do.. So as you can imagine, he gets in trouble in school a lot, and it is something we are both working diligently on correcting, rest assured he's not just getting the ignored and 'oh he'll grow out of it' type of treatment). He is my child, and he is quickly taking after me. STILL, it's not her place to dole out punishment as she sees fit. You can toss your teaching career in the trash and still have the same effect overall by simply (and completely silently) grabbing that child and putting them out of the classroom (at this age it would mean constant adult supervision, but it's not as if that would be hard to do..).

K-12 educators have a duty to protect our children physically and mentally. I don't justify the "bully," however, for a teacher to orchestrate something like this has serious psych effects on a kid at that age.

So ultimately, the very thing the teacher attempted to remedy, the teacher inflicted them-self.

I knew there was something I was forgetting.. I meant to note that in the third paragraph after it not being her place to dole out the punishment. (Why I'm torn, while I know it would just perpetuate the cycle, I would be lying if I said I didn't wish something like this on some of my bullies.)

Probably gonna get hate for this, but the bully's name was Aiden? Seems to me a child named after such a god awful band would be the victim, not the bully XD.

I would also like to know what in this story is true and what is media bs and also bs given by the people interviewed or bs that the kids have told that the teacher had allegedly told them to do...

I know a person who was a kindergarden teacher for 30 years and she was sacked after some spoiled brats told their parents that she had abused them.
Which obviously wasn't true, she was the most caring and hard working person I know. These kids just werent happy that they weren't allowed to bully other kids and considered themselves to be a bit "better" since they were from a better off family.
I was there myself and saw them behave like total nightmares and when I heard the lies they were feeding their parents I wanted to go kick their *** myself...

On CNN they said a teacher who witnessed the event reported it 2 months after the fact. That teacher is one of the two who is on paid leave until the Fall.

*edit* it may of been 2 weeks, not sure. it's late.
*edit 2* Also, saying a kid this young is a bully and deserves this is insane. I can say for one i was a trouble maker in kindergarden, but as soon as I hit the 2nd grade I was the one being picked on. Kids at that age don't have as deep of thinking as say a 8 or 9 year old and higher. So they most of them don't understand the impact of there actions. Now i'm not saying this kid shouldn't be punish but there is other ways. One the teacher could of told his parents about it. There is a thing call the phone. Also if you notice the kid likes a certain activity you could warn them that if they don't stop that they wont be able to do join in the activity. Like I said before kids this act don't have deep thinking skills thus it hard to compare them to a middle school or high school bully who knows they are hurting you and take pleasure from it.

I'm kinda curious about that as well, her lining them up to hit him could easily have been to tap them oh the sholder or something given the way kids and parents exagerate things these days... It still wouldn't be a good thing to do regardless.

The problem is even if teachers want to take a stand against bullying they can't. If they just send the kid to the office or sit them down and talk to them about it the kid will go home crying about how the teacher was mean to them. Words like abuse will be thrown around freely and the teacher who tried to do a good thing will be needing a new job because none of their fellows give enough craps to back them up and risk the same to them.

As a parent, I can completely agree with how you feel on this. I am torn as well, because I cannot stand bullying, but the teacher had no right to orchestrate such a thing.

When my son was in pre-school, there was a little boy in his class that used to pick on EVERYONE. The little man was getting fed up and frustrated with it because the other child had ripped some of my son's books, broken a few of his show and tell toys, and hit him on several occasions. We constantly talked thru it with the little man and told him to ask him to stop nicely and if he doesn't listen, tell the teacher.

Eventually we even went in to the school to bring up the issue. The response we got "yeah he's a problem child and we don't know what to do about him." Really? Ugh!

One day the other child jumped on the little man from behind and wrapped his arms tightly around his neck. My little man freaked out, knocked the other child off, and then punched the crap out of him. Of course my little man got in trouble because nobody saw the other child do anything but lay there crying.

It was one of those times as a parent that you have to sit down and explain that fighting doesn't solve anything, but at the same time you are cheering your kid on for standing up for himself (internally of course). The good news is this kid stopped pestering/bullying/bothering/whatever you want to call it, the other kids for the remainder of the school year.

TLDR: I can completely understand being torn on how to feel about this story.

The teacher forcing a mob-like retaliation is wrong.

It's all the parents fault for raising such a little ***that the teachers had to react this way.

The way I see things this is caused by a lack of discipline at home. Even if people smack their kids thats not enough to correct arsehole child behavior IMO.

I believe and will raise my kids the way I was raised. My mum would warm and caution me, if I was still a little ***she would smack me. If I was a real little turd, she would say "Wait for you father to get home."

Then when my old man got home, no matter what sort of mood he was in, if my mum told him I needed a smack, i copped a *** belting. Not a small smack on the bum and told to go to your room, no he gave me a good hard belting no matter what, and you know what? I can count the number of times my dad hit me on one hand.

Too many parents depend on teachers to "be the parent" with their kids in certain areas. Parents have hit their kids for the last couple thousand years and here we are today, can't be that bad for society.

Although I'm torn between the details, one of the most effective ways to stop bullying, is to show a bully exactly what they are doing to their victims.
I've gone through years and various anger management courses, simply because i was bullied, and refused to be a victim, by standing up for myself, and in some cases, fighting back physically. As Slip said, these kinds of children are often the source for trouble, and their parents refuse to see it, because little Aiden (in this case) is the perfect little boy. Now, some of you are thinking "OH MY GOD! That teacher must be fired! Poor little Aiden! He must be Soooooo traumatized!"
Well in my opinion, bugger off and get smacked by a bully and constantly belittled at work for a few months, and then tell me he's a victim when someone steps in to show him what a *** he's been. The teacher does have a right and responsiblity to dole out punishments and rewards. It's what happens when you leave a child in the care of another. Particularly when you pay them to educate a child, or use the education system as a babysitter.
I can guarantee you, the parent recieved calls before that this child was being a bully. I've seen parents act this way before, when a victim has had enough, the administration does nothing but in school suspension to repeat offenders, and then expel a child who's decided to fight back, amid the "0 (Zero) Tolerance" crap at school, just because he kicked his bully's ***.
A clear example: One of my most constant bullies collected a rather large group of his friends, and friends of his friends, and encircled me in a hallway. No particular reason i could think of, other than the fact that he didn't like me, they started making threats to hurt me physical. The instigator, known well among the staff as a bully, pushed me into his ring of supporters, and even threw punches at me. The school councilor walked by without batting an eye as it happened, so she could have her lunch. It wasn't until i knee'd the *** back 20 minutes later, that she broke it up, and took us to the office. She phoned the cops, his mother came in, and the school agreed with wanted to press charges against me. Only reason it didn't happen, the officer who came, agreed i was within my rights to physically defend myself. This is probably one of the more extreme cases, but this kid wasn't expelled or punished for his actions, simply because "i hit him back"

I have to disagree. There are times when fighting DOES solve things, but it's only used as a last resort. Most of the time, the advice teachers or parents give a child is pretty useless. "Go tell someone. If they don't listen, ignore the bully. If ignoring him doesn't work, walk away from them." That's pretty much the extent of the advice. Only problems are, you have to tell someone who cares, and when you're 5 or 6, and telling your teacher doesn't work, or your parents, who else is gonna care? Ignoring a bully only makes it worse. If they can't push those buttons the first time, they get more personal, even physical, to get a reaction. Walking away? HA! Bullies will come after you when you try to walk away. They have legs too. If a good punch to the face will get a bully to leave you and everyone else alone, i'm all for it, because they aren't people who will listen when someone says "STOP!"

My kid is only 3 months old, but with articles like these, my mind is set on home-schooling. At least until I figure the rest of this crazy world out.

This sort of stuff is what pisses me off. I'm not going to say "back in my day" because I'm only 25...but when I was younger, the way you settled ***was whoopin some ***. Even when I was about 6 and running around in my white, middle-class, suburban neighborhood, I had to fend for myself at times against older kids and bullies.

Our society has allowed politics to turn us all into pussies. Sorry I'm not very "PC" but I really don't care. The more our government/society tries to control ***, the worse off we are...

Was the teacher right to do this? If he was 17-18 this ***woulda been awesome lol. However, even if a kid stepped up to this "bully," the kid doing the right thing would get in trouble more than likely >.>

My 2 cents

I agree that there are times, as I said in my situation. However, you cannot tell a child that it is ok to fight, especially a 5 or 6 year old, because they will resort to fighting to solve everything. The way we have always handled it is, if the initial things (asking to stop, telling your teacher, etc) don't work, then it is ok to defend yourself.

My son is a purple belt and he knows how to defend himself. He also promises to never misuse what he learns in class during every class (it is part of their opening promises). We have to tread lightly because we want him to defend himself, but we don't want him to become the bully that goes after everyone else.

I never said that fighting involved going out of his way to kick some ***. And I also said it's used as a last resort. There is also a difference between fighting, and defending/standing up for yourself, and many times, it can lead to fighting when a bully just doesn't get the message. If they persist to the point of physically assaulting somoene, then they deserve to have their *** kicked to learn a lesson. "If You won't listen, You'll have to feel" is one of the oldest teachings in almost every martial art, with the exception of the modern classical teachings.

My point is, if they don't want to learn through listening, they're gonna learn through more painful venues.

SATX shoutout. Not all of the schools here are run by idiots and mouth breathers. However i pay an exorbitant amount of rent to stay in 1 specific district for my kids. I'd rather home school them, then let them go to a place like Salinas Elementary.

I was bullied non-stop during my middleschool years and I can tell you 100% That telling someone makes it worse. I couldn't deal with it on my own because they were the popular kids, and since telling anyone only made it worse I had to sit there and deal with it.

Most bullies are completely HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. Talking to them, taking away privileges, putting them in "time-out" won't make any impact. These things can work on children who have other behavior problems, but they don't do ***to bullies. The only thing you can do is scare them out of their minds. They learn quickly that their parents won't do anything to them, and neither will any adults at school. But if a peer comes after them with fists of fury, they get *** scared and leave that kid alone. Violence is the only thing these people understand.

From ages 8 to 15 or so my life was hell. I didn't fit in with the standard "boy" stereotypes (sports, jock-type stuff, etc); I was always into arts and literature and stuff. But I also didn't realize until far too late that that was abnormal where I grew up (redneck central). I was rather outgoing about my interests. Would read, try to engage other people in discussions about this stuff, etc.

Opened myself up for being a target for bullying for the next seven years.

I didn't deal with it well. I got in fights from time to time -- won a few, lost more – but it didn’t matter. Sticking up for yourself as a defense to bullying is a line of ***. Bullies won’t leave you alone even if you beat them; they’ll just come back in numbers so you’re alone and they’re not. I reject the notion that violence actually solves anything in a bullying situation, as much as I wish it was the answer.

We live in a country where school shootings are shocking and tragic.

The problem is, what I’ve always found shocking and tragic is not the same thing the news programs do.

It’s tragic that, in many cases, some of these kids – who were clearly already not stable to do something like this – were picked on, excluded and bullied until they felt that violence was their only means of escape. It’s tragic that these occurrences are prefaced by years of just pure venom from their peers while their teachers either turn a blind eye or stay purposefully ignorant of what’s going on around them - not that their teachers have much choice, because if they try to stop it their own jobs are on the line.

Bullies are often ignorant of the suffering they cause others, it’s true. And it’s tragic that people who are already troubled ruin their own lives and end the lives of others out of ignorance bred by a culture that endorses ostracizing people who deviate from the norm.

But the shocking part, as far as I’m concerned, is that this doesn’t happen on a weekly basis all across the country.

I’d like to think I’m fairly mentally stable. I know right from wrong. I know that I would have never gone out, found a gun, and started mowing down people because they made fun of me or otherwise made my school life hell. I know I never would have actually killed myself despite the fact that, especially early on in the process, they made me afraid of even going to school to the point where I’d pretend to be sick to try to stay home away from it.

But again. Hey. They made this happen to someone who had a great home life and supportive parents and family structure.

Is it really such a shock that when they start pushing buttons on people who aren’t as well put-together or as supported at home as they should be that these people go on these shooting sprees, or at least just kill themselves?

To me? Not at all.

Frankly, this teacher has the right idea but used entirely the wrong methodology. Educate. Make children understand the pain these acts can cause.

But don't do it by turning them into the ostricized, picked on kid. That's just going to build more resentment and cause significant legal problems for all involved. Extremely poor foresight on the part of the teacher to not realize this.

I can see what the teacher was trying to do... but you don't put out a fire by spraying it with gas

Bullies are bullies for a reason. They didn't wake up one day and think "Hmm, I'm gonna be a jerk and harass people today. That'd be keen!" More often than not, there is something happening in their personal lives that is making them act out against others. In my experience, the bullies I've encountered had SEVERELY f'ed up home lives and were taking out their frustrations and aggression on other kids, out-letting their insecurities and pain. They were jealous that other kids were allowed to have fun lives and not endure the distress they were subjected to.

When I was in 5th grade, we had a bully in my class. He was 13 years old, and reeked of alcohol. In 5th grade! I can't even think of what he endured at home that would put him in such a bad way. After a while, anytime he tried to act tough or push someone around, everyone wold just shrug their shoulders and feel sorry for him.

I think what the teacher did was wrong. If the kid is already this much of a discipline problem, then ostracizing them and making them feel like an outcast is certainly not going to help anything, but make that kid even worse. That, and it teaches the other kids that violence is the answer. Those kids are likely to handle every situation like the teacher taught them; gang up on someone and slap them around.

On that particular type of bully I agree, Rayik.

But keep in mind there are many kinds out there, and often many of them come from affluent homes where they receive plenty of attention and everything they want. They pick on people who are different because they are "better" than everyone, or at least "better" than their targets of scorn.

Those are possibly the worst kind, because they actually don't grow up to any sort of change and there’s no “pity”. Their parents, family, friends and teachers just endorse the behavior of these "wonderful children" because that's what they are to most people. They do well in school, they're the heroes of their sports teams and what have you.

But they act like jerks to people they think are below them and in turn are, essentially, rewarded for doing so.

These are the people that actually cause the cycle to continue, because they grow up, have kids of their own, endorse the same type of behaviors and then sue the schools or the victim of the bullying for striking back at their child’s malicious behavior.

While hilarious this orchestrated attack isnt a good way to solve the problem.

Its up to each kid thats being bullied to individually react violently to the bully to get them off their backs.

I remember a kid and his friends picked on me for the first few weeks of school back in third grade. My teacher didn't care so one day I punched in him the face and made him cry. Neither one of us got in trouble and he and his friends left me alone.

I got in more trouble for stealing the teachers log in passwords and changing everyone scores to passing then I ever did for pushing, hitting, or tripping other kids in school.

So here's a fun story for the land of the rising sun:

I was a teacher over there for a while and although I predominantly taught elementary school, there was a high school I heard about in my region with a trouble maker kid. You see, in Japan you have a dress code, a code on what hair color you can have, etc. One kid decided he would be cool and dye his hair blond (I realize none of us think of that as a big deal so just take for granted that it is there).

On Monday he went to school and didn't get into any kind of trouble. He kept on going to school and all his friends were freaking out telling him he needed to stop or he was going to get in trouble. Come Friday the principal decided the kid had had enough time to make the correct decision on his own and called a special assembly of the whole school. The principal got up and told everyone how lucky, nay how privileged, they all were to be hearing from a very special speaker. He continued to build this speaker up and talk about how special he was until he'd sufficiently piqued the interest of all the kids.

He then announced that the troublemaker who'd dyed his hair was to be the speaker and was going to be telling everyone about why he was so special and why he didn't have to follow the rules. Some of the cultural significance may be lost in translation here, but suffice to say the kid cried in front of the whole school and come Monday he came back towing that line. The principal of course was lauded as a hero for publicly shaming the kid.

Cultural differences are great. For my part, I'm not a huge fan of public shamings per se, but I'd much prefer the Japanese system where teachers and administrators are empowered to do the job crappy parents won't instead of having their hands tied by legal liability.

I don't think that there is any "right" way to fix bullying. Everyone reacts to different forms of confrontation. For some, a stern talking to can get the job done as perhaps the bully can and will see the error of his ways and try to better him/herself as a person and stop.
For some, getting punched in the face until the point is made is a more effective route.

I have always been the kind of guy who turned away from violence. Fighting truly scares me because I don't want to get hurt, and I don't like the idea of hurting other people. With that said, I've also had to throw down because the situation called for it. The last time I actually hit someone like I meant it, all it took was 1 punch and he had a concussion. The realization that I could inflict that kind of pain to someone has scared me into being a "coward" for lack of a better term. The only time I feel it's nessicery to engage in violence is when you feel that you or someone else is in immediate physical danger and there isn't an alternative. I always try to talk out my problems and if that doesn't work, I leave.

You did it wrong man... you pick the kids you hate... make their scores all 100's and put your own and someone else they pick on to 0... that way they don't think it's you... and they get hammered...

I agree with this to an extent. Kids will behave differently around their parents then when they're not. If the kid has never actually gotten caught before and hasn't had the school call them, then there's pretty much no way they'd know. Of course, I'm not claiming this is the case here. It was just a general statement

As far as the teacher goes, awesome call in my opinion, at the same time, however, while the teacher does get props, it's a going down for what you believe in kind of props because I think a certain level of professionalism is required for a job such as a teacher, and what the teacher did certainly doesn't fit the criteria

I found my own way of coping with a bully I had in high school after meeting my friend's (and his) wrestling coach one day. I found out that their coach had very little tolerance for bullying from kids on his team. Of course I didn't know what it would look like if I went directly to him so I talked to the principal and he thought the same thing and informed the coach.

Needless to say it fixed my problem and gave me some laughs. I found it very enjoyable as the next day he came up and said his coach heard about what he was doing and he threatened me if I went to the school about anything again, to which I grinned and he walked off. He never spoke to me again :D In junior high this same bully attacked me one day and broke my left wrist. After that day I decided it was time to take my problem to the school if I could find a way that it would work out for me in the end.

I think there are a lot of educators that understand what is going on and want to help but just don't know the best way to. I think this would be a good example of how to deal with some known bullies. Threatening to take away any and every possible privilege so that their time in school is very unpleasant. You're not owed anything at school but an education and I think he figured he'd rather be on the team with his friends doing something he likes than messing with me anymore.

doesn't involve hot female teachers and male students = didn't read T.T