DRK TP Sets
DRK TP sets
This forum needs like...a set rule of what constitutes as fodder and what doesn't.
anything up to level 100
Asura.Failaras said: »
This forum needs like...a set rule of what constitutes as fodder and what doesn't.
Fodder = no lvl correction, capped att, capped acc, capped fSTR.
Even on fodder Ogier hands are worthless. Just give them to your storage moogle.
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Asura.Failaras said: »
This forum needs like...a set rule of what constitutes as fodder and what doesn't.
Fodder = no lvl correction, capped att, capped acc, capped fSTR.
Even on fodder Ogier hands are worthless. Just give them to your storage moogle.
Lol you make it sound like the moogle will be happy with them.
Ragnarok.Returner said: »
would it be crazy to expect 2 ticks of embrava in between each WSs? If it is, then with 20 stp /war, it is still 7 hit.
I'm not very well informed on fSTR, many mobs would fall into the Capped Attack/Accuracy category for Drk though. There is also Fafnirs assumption that fodder content would constitute not having buffs which would make me think as to classify fodder as basically 75 content. I'm not trying to argue anything here really, just trying to wrap my head around how people define fodder because I've seen it used for many different types of mobs.
I assume fodder would be every mob for which you don't need specific buffs to cap att/acc fSTR.
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Ragnarok.Returner said: »
would it be crazy to expect 2 ticks of embrava in between each WSs? If it is, then with 20 stp /war, it is still 7 hit.
That's very helpful. Going to roll with 20 stp then. Thank you.
Ragnarok.Returner said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Ragnarok.Returner said: »
would it be crazy to expect 2 ticks of embrava in between each WSs? If it is, then with 20 stp /war, it is still 7 hit.
That's very helpful. Going to roll with 20 stp then. Thank you.
20 seems like a good number it not a little high.
Resolution is 15 (11+4), Embrava is 10 (2 tics,going to assume less then 500 skill)
(75/6)/11 = 14stp
Does the spreadsheet not account for over tping ?
More often that not I have Ogier hands coming out on top with Fulgurante for Qilin and easier stuff where accuracy is a non issue(or zerg with feint/mad/hunter ect).
If it seems weird I can post my gear set/atmacite/buff.
More often that not I have Ogier hands coming out on top with Fulgurante for Qilin and easier stuff where accuracy is a non issue(or zerg with feint/mad/hunter ect).
If it seems weird I can post my gear set/atmacite/buff.
It does account for overflow TP, and there's a field where you can adjust overflow rounds as well on the first page.
"Weird" depends entirely on context though... so yeah, need your build and conditions. Can't evaluate one item vs another in a vacuum.
"Weird" depends entirely on context though... so yeah, need your build and conditions. Can't evaluate one item vs another in a vacuum.
Ok, drk/war elvaan, red curry bun
March/last resort/zerk/aggressor/chaos roll
Target is Qilin
TP
I was using bale+2 with vaillant/lattitude/coercion before playing with the spreadsheet but it say that this set with vaillant/deluge/coercion is the best with buff up.
Also armadaberk just make it better but still need the abju to drop from nid/odin.
EDIT: Head is bale +2 made this set mid fight so wasn't paying attention on everything.
March/last resort/zerk/aggressor/chaos roll
Target is Qilin
TP
I was using bale+2 with vaillant/lattitude/coercion before playing with the spreadsheet but it say that this set with vaillant/deluge/coercion is the best with buff up.
Also armadaberk just make it better but still need the abju to drop from nid/odin.
EDIT: Head is bale +2 made this set mid fight so wasn't paying attention on everything.
Asura.Ccl said: »
Does the spreadsheet not account for over tping ?
More often that not I have Ogier hands coming out on top with Fulgurante for Qilin and easier stuff where accuracy is a non issue(or zerg with feint/mad/hunter ect).
If it seems weird I can post my gear set/atmacite/buff.
More often that not I have Ogier hands coming out on top with Fulgurante for Qilin and easier stuff where accuracy is a non issue(or zerg with feint/mad/hunter ect).
If it seems weird I can post my gear set/atmacite/buff.
It's not weird at all. You're probably dropping it to a 6-hit or even 5-hit /SAM. This is where most OAT vs Rag comparisons usually come up short, because you can 5-hit that thing and it does make a difference, just not as much in Voidwatch where WS compression just makes everything stupid and vanilla-flavored (another failing of many comparisons).
I'm not entirely sure stacking that much Store TP is really worth it. You are losing 11% double attack alone from Head/Feet/Hands/Body/Grip, not to mention the large amounts of STR. Honestly for Qilin I'd try to get Cors to do Misers and equip Disc because you basically don't need STP with a 480 delay Gsword with that. That set also gives you a huge amount of unneeded haste.
With Deluges, Ogier hands are dropping him into 5-hit territory. Deluges is another +15 if he has it max'd.
Yes, that is why it wins and why OAT is underrated.
Yes, that is why it wins and why OAT is underrated.
Well I was using a different set till I checked on Motenten spreadsheets and I got the higher number with this set.
I mostly join pug/shout atm so I don't expect cor/other dd to do miser.
It's mainly for vw, I entered atmacite buff as "set" and it gave this set as the best result w/o considering miser's roll cause that never happen for me.
Did you guys get different result plugin number/gear on the spreadsheet or just talking from experience/math/parse ?
Cause aside ace's leggings => phorcys feet after I get armada, every other change I make give me a lower result.
I mostly join pug/shout atm so I don't expect cor/other dd to do miser.
It's mainly for vw, I entered atmacite buff as "set" and it gave this set as the best result w/o considering miser's roll cause that never happen for me.
Did you guys get different result plugin number/gear on the spreadsheet or just talking from experience/math/parse ?
Cause aside ace's leggings => phorcys feet after I get armada, every other change I make give me a lower result.
idk how to post the picture of my gear set(s) lol... :x
EDIT: nvm, figured it out. lol
EDIT: nvm, figured it out. lol
My DRK tp set. Moonahshade is attack/regain.
Scroll over your profile picture and open up "Item Sets" in the sub menu. Open up your item set and find the BBcode. Paste that into your post.
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Scroll over your profile picture and open up "Item Sets" in the sub menu. Open up your item set and find the BBcode. Paste that into your post.
I figured it out lol but thank you. :)
Asura.Ccl said: »
Well I was using a different set till I checked on Motenten spreadsheets and I got the higher number with this set.
I mostly join pug/shout atm so I don't expect cor/other dd to do miser.
It's mainly for vw, I entered atmacite buff as "set" and it gave this set as the best result w/o considering miser's roll cause that never happen for me.
Did you guys get different result plugin number/gear on the spreadsheet or just talking from experience/math/parse ?
Cause aside ace's leggings => phorcys feet after I get armada, every other change I make give me a lower result.
I mostly join pug/shout atm so I don't expect cor/other dd to do miser.
It's mainly for vw, I entered atmacite buff as "set" and it gave this set as the best result w/o considering miser's roll cause that never happen for me.
Did you guys get different result plugin number/gear on the spreadsheet or just talking from experience/math/parse ?
Cause aside ace's leggings => phorcys feet after I get armada, every other change I make give me a lower result.
Asura.Ccl said: »
Did you guys get different result plugin number/gear on the spreadsheet or just talking from experience/math/parse ?
Try /SAM and swapping Deluges for Dark Designs and see what it spits out. With Chaos Roll and proper food you shouldn't really be needing Berserk on moderate targets like Qilin, and DA is seriously devalued by OAT.
Deluges+/WAR is still probably best for hard targets (T6, Provenance).
Okay, than you for your input, I also think OAT make losing 11% in DA matter less than for Rag or other non OAT GS.
I know parse aren't viable result ect, but I'll try to parse both set to decent DD I know and see wich one seems to perform the best.
And yeah, I don't know any other server but Asura pug are getting really bad, I guess everyone has a static/group/ls now or don't need anything from vw/pw.
EDIT: Tried /sam, there was decent difference due to not capping hit rate, then I played a lil more with it and noticed that apparently Hasso doesn't account for accuracy/str buff on spreadsheet so added 10 accuracy under set, playing a lil more with it then posting what I'll find as best.
I know parse aren't viable result ect, but I'll try to parse both set to decent DD I know and see wich one seems to perform the best.
And yeah, I don't know any other server but Asura pug are getting really bad, I guess everyone has a static/group/ls now or don't need anything from vw/pw.
EDIT: Tried /sam, there was decent difference due to not capping hit rate, then I played a lil more with it and noticed that apparently Hasso doesn't account for accuracy/str buff on spreadsheet so added 10 accuracy under set, playing a lil more with it then posting what I'll find as best.
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Okay, than you for your input, I also think OAT make losing 11% in DA matter less than for Rag or other non OAT GS.
Asura.Ccl said: »
EDIT: Tried /sam, there was decent difference due to not capping hit rate, then I played a lil more with it and noticed that apparently Hasso doesn't account for accuracy/str buff on spreadsheet so added 10 accuracy under set, playing a lil more with it then posting what I'll find as best.
As far as I know, it doesn't account for diablic eyes at all, can just add the amount of accuracy as a "set bonus" if needed.
Played at lil more with /sam, I was able to get even with /war number but not more.
Played at lil more with /sam, I was able to get even with /war number but not more.
I'm pretty sure I proved somewhere either here or in the Resolution thread that Drk doesn't actually need any accuracy from gear or JAs to cap on Qilin.
It does account for stalwart but not braver, and I was at like 92.5% accuracy so if I add braver stat I'd cap w/o hasso.
I assume you're capped using stalwart/braver ? I guess I should add braver stat on every vw set I try to compare.
Did anyone bother to find/have an approximation of T6/PW mob stat ?
Didn't get to try them since I geared drk, prolly gonna need pizza to cap accuracy on them.
I assume you're capped using stalwart/braver ? I guess I should add braver stat on every vw set I try to compare.
Did anyone bother to find/have an approximation of T6/PW mob stat ?
Didn't get to try them since I geared drk, prolly gonna need pizza to cap accuracy on them.
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