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 Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:12:00  
If you're not capped on fSTR during resolution, then you have other things to worry about besides which earring to use. And not really, moonshade is always the best earring for Resolution, Bale is second place if your attack isn't capped depending on mob, third place if it is.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:12:36  
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Also your numbers are just an avg estimate no drk does constant numbers reguardless of gear.
Duh? I really don't understand your point here.
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By Asura.Wilbert 2012-08-09 14:12:39  
The problem is that the earring doesn't really help with a x hit to be honest I've been down that road and I thought just like you did about it but its not adding to any X hit its just 1 regain a second its not like its adding to STP to your hit.



with this set without any buffs your @ 14.4 for a 7 hit build without any buffs, now lets replace the bale earring for a Moonshade earring with TP regain the total delay is 5.39 seconds that means that your getting an extra 5 tp added to your tp phase that still doesn't bring you anywhere near to getting a 6 hit build and even if you consider replacing something else with 5 store tp just cuz you have the chance to get 5 tp for 5 seconds it just does not have the pay off. Yea 60 dmg does not seem like a big deal but overall that 60 extra dmg adds up better than 5tp per second
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By Odin.Dirtyfinger 2012-08-09 14:14:48  
If half your WS are @300tp then yes Bale wins, but the fact that you even have 300tp half the time suggests you do not need Regain at all. (Pardon my ignorance, I rarely play).
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-08-09 14:15:29  
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
Also your numbers are just an avg estimate no drk does constant numbers reguardless of gear.


And that's why math is done to figure out what's best over time.
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By Phoenix.Chomeymatt 2012-08-09 14:18:26  
Asura.Wilbert said: »
The problem is that the earring doesn't really help with a x hit to be honest I've been down that road and I thought just like you did about it but its not adding to any X hit its just 1 regain a second its not like its adding to STP to your hit.



with this set without any buffs your @ 14.4 for a 7 hit build without any buffs, now lets replace the bale earring for a Moonshade earring with TP regain the total delay is 5.39 seconds that means that your getting an extra 5 tp added to your tp phase that still doesn't bring you anywhere near to getting a 6 hit build and even if you consider replacing something else with 5 store tp just cuz you have the chance to get 5 tp for 5 seconds it just does not have the pay off. Yea 60 dmg does not seem like a big deal but overall that 60 extra dmg adds up better than 5tp per second

If you're going for a straight XHIT build, not considering Atmacites, Embrava, marches or haste even you'd want to 6 hit that instead of a 7 w/ an Armadaberk. But when going for regain sets, valkyries with TA does pull ahead. Also Austar made a huge point. That 1 regain isn't doing ***for you especially since phorcys lets you 6 hit Ragnarok or any GS for that matter very easily excluding any regain from buffs. What is 1 tick a regain from an earring really going to do for you if you're losing % on parses due to your ftp on Resolutions being lower than what it could be. Go for optimal not acceptable.
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-09 14:25:36  
I'll stick to what i think is best, i've played the meta game for many of years in many of game. While something is a percent of a percent better i'm not going to give up what i favor in persuit of a tiny bit more dmg / Goodluck.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-08-09 14:26:49  
oh god, not the "justify small sample size average-average" argument again.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:27:46  
Well what you think is best is wrong, can favor something all you want but let's not pretend it's the best option.
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-09 14:30:25  
Numbers speak for themselves while you're worried about .7% i'm worried about doing the job right. Go go mindless DD? See you after the nerf :P
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:31:20  
Won't affect me at all, I don't play DRK.
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-09 14:31:43  
Of course you don't.
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By Asura.Wilbert 2012-08-09 14:35:48  
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Also your numbers are just an avg estimate no drk does constant numbers reguardless of gear.

That's not true your dmg will vary from time to time but your numbers should not wildly swing around either. Here are to parses I have with my nyzul group and this is going up floors not bosses just the general run from start to finish and in both runs my number were pretty much the same in terms of ws dmg.

The first set of resolutions are with bale earring. The second set are with Moonshade earring with TP bonus

Player WSkillDmg NetDmg WSkill % Hit/Miss WS.Acc % WS.Low/Hi WS.Avg
Wilbert 45771 45771 64.94 % 20/0 100.00 % 0/6747 2288.55

Resolution: 1067 1309 1382 1429 1477 1894 2009 2013 2092 2099 3393 3459 4627 5128 5646 6747

Player WSkillDmg NetDmg WSkill % Hit/Miss WS.Acc % WS.Low/Hi WS.Avg
Wilbert 52311 52311 43.69 % 20/0 100.00 % 0/5188 2615.55

Resolution: 1358 1699 1889 2073 2145 2556 2616 2696 2867 3001 3122 3430 3522 4239 4730 5180 5188

So with Moonshade Avg ws dmg went up by 327 dmg but overall number are consistent overall. And even with TP regain I still did the same number of ws it didn't add any or did i do any less without it.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:37:48  
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
Of course you don't.
lolDRK

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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:41:26  
Sad part is MNK is a better DD.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-08-09 14:41:47  
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Numbers speak for themselves while you're worried about .7% i'm worried about doing the job right. Go go mindless DD? See you after the nerf :P


WTF is this noob talking about.

Regain earring is gimp on DRK period. Random small amounts of regain will never outweigh an option that adds damage on every WS until 285ish TP.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:42:51  
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Sad part is MNK is a better DD.

You're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
You obviously don't know what crits do.
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-09 14:44:54  
Then go post in a mnk thread? Wouldn't Pot bomblet or a few other thigns raise your mnks DPS by more then .7? let's make an thread there since unlike drk, mnks dmg is heavily based on melee atks Is that a brisk mask? We need to have a talk young man.
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By Asura.Wilbert 2012-08-09 14:46:24  
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WTF is this noob talking about.

Regain earring is gimp on DRK period. Random small amounts of regain will never outweigh an option that adds damage on every WS until 285ish TP.

Completely correct, not only that but bonus tp work for every job Regain TP is pretty much of waste of potential additional damage you can get from Bale Earring in your TP phase or Ghillie Earring +1 if your not capping atk and accuracy.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:46:37  
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
Then go post in a mnk thread? Wouldn't Pot bomblet or a few other thigns raise your mnks DPS by more then .7? let's make an thread there since unlike drk, mnks dmg is heavily based on melee atks Is that a brisk mask? We need to have a talk young man.
Well ***. Please tell me how potestas and/or ganesha's will make me hit harder when I'm most likely capped on attack from buffs? Or how about when I need the accuracy, since that's why I carry those items, for the accuracy.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:47:17  
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Sad part is MNK is a better DD.

You're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
You obviously don't know what crits do.

WAR does that job better.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-08-09 14:47:48  
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Sad part is MNK is a better DD.

You're HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
You obviously don't know what crits do.



Impetus says hi.

MNK vs DRK is situational. Pimp both.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:52:20  
Cool abyssea screenshot.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 15:00:48  
Kin37ix said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Cool abyssea screenshot.
Now youre not trying hard enough.
Well considering it'll most likely work like every other drain effect, it'll suck on higher level mobs. And for all we know, cruor buffs could be affecting it too. So no, I'm not impressed.
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