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 Asura.Failaras
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By Asura.Failaras 2012-08-03 13:41:15  
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Sorry for having learned my job in old fashion parties, and having missed a lot because i lacked accuracy.
Game changes, change along with it.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-08-06 06:46:10  
The comment that you haven't played in the last two months does lend to your comment. Limbus can be very taxing on your DDs, especially when they're of the "abyssea taught me acc = perma capped" mentality. Odin V2 and the last 1/3rd of VW.

I was more concerned with:

Asura.Failaras said: »
Acc/atk/Haste

In the end with the swing of the latest events i forsee the new expansion providing a lot more evasive and defensive content.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-08-06 06:50:32  
Does'nt hurt to be prepared, even though you rarely fight this hard content.
A good DD on fodder mobs suddenly turning useless once something remotely evasive appears is rather silly.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-08-06 08:33:12  
Voidwatch T4 or lower: Accuracy doesn't matter - not 100% true but close enough

Voidwatch T6 or higher: Accuracy does matter - agreed

Neo Nyzul Isle: Accuracy doesn't matter - disagree, you will fight NMs and they do require ACC

Dynamis: Accuracy doesn't matter - disagree unless you currency farm only

Abyysea (Not really a proper event for Drk but some people like to spend their entire existance doing abyssea PTs): Accuracy doesn't matter - depends on the mob and atma, but overall I agree, though DDs underestimate some of the Hero's NMs

Legion: Def. need ACC esp on Wave2+

Neo-Einherjar: Odin v2 def need ACC

Neo-Limbus: Just on Omega and Ultima
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By Asura.Wilbert 2012-08-06 12:43:37  
Hey guys I'm posting the gear set I've been using recently on Dark Knight I'm pretty happy with the number I've been getting recently Valk. Breastplate still need better augments but tatter are kinda hard to find recently. This is mainly the set of gear I've been using for Neo Nyzul Isle.

Set for Embrava and Last Resort activated.



Set for when Embrava is up but Last Resort is down.



Resolution WS gear



I'm happy with the performance I have been getting out of these sets.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2012-08-06 14:22:48  
In regards to Odin v2, acc is exceedingly important, due to Odin's tendency of full dispelling you
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By Ragnarok.Dragish 2012-08-06 14:36:54  
Phorcys head > Bale?.. I can't decide!!!
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By Asura.Failaras 2012-08-06 14:59:32  
Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Does'nt hurt to be prepared, even though you rarely fight this hard content.
A good DD on fodder mobs suddenly turning useless once something remotely evasive appears is rather silly.
You have an excellent point, I just realized I never mentioned the importance of having multiple sets in this thread. If you go back to my posts in other threads, or maybe even this one, you'll find I stress the importance of having different builds for a plethora of situations. I personally have an accuracy build for my Drk even though I've essentially never had to use it.

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Voidwatch T4 or lower: Accuracy doesn't matter - not 100% true but close enough

Voidwatch T6 or higher: Accuracy does matter - agreed

Neo Nyzul Isle: Accuracy doesn't matter - disagree, you will fight NMs and they do require ACC

Dynamis: Accuracy doesn't matter - disagree unless you currency farm only

Abyysea (Not really a proper event for Drk but some people like to spend their entire existance doing abyssea PTs): Accuracy doesn't matter - depends on the mob and atma, but overall I agree, though DDs underestimate some of the Hero's NMs
Seems to me to be really splitting hairs here. I personally never had accuracy problems in NNI although I guess there is a small chance of having 1 or 2 NMs in which you may need an accuracy swap. Dynamis wise, what requires accuracy exactly? I can't remember anything in the typical ADL farm requiring it, maybe you are talking about something else though? If so, sure if you do the rarer dynamis stuff. Abyssea....lol.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-08-06 15:02:13  
Ragnarok.Dragish said: »
Phorcys head > Bale?.. I can't decide!!!

Why wouldn't you use bale +2?
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By Asura.Failaras 2012-08-06 15:04:46  
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Ragnarok.Dragish said: »
Phorcys head > Bale?.. I can't decide!!!

Why wouldn't you use bale +2?
Rare situations in which the STP matters.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-08-06 15:08:41  
Asura.Failaras said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Ragnarok.Dragish said: »
Phorcys head > Bale?.. I can't decide!!!

Why wouldn't you use bale +2?
Rare situations in which the STP matters.

Campaign battle?
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By Asura.Failaras 2012-08-06 15:50:55  
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Asura.Failaras said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Ragnarok.Dragish said: »
Phorcys head > Bale?.. I can't decide!!!

Why wouldn't you use bale +2?
Rare situations in which the STP matters.

Campaign battle?
Campaign is really important, ok?
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-08-06 16:05:51  
Asura.Failaras said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Asura.Failaras said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Ragnarok.Dragish said: »
Phorcys head > Bale?.. I can't decide!!!

Why wouldn't you use bale +2?
Rare situations in which the STP matters.

Campaign battle?
Campaign is really important, ok?

Ok ... :(
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By Ragnarok.Dragish 2012-08-06 19:52:14  
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Asura.Failaras said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Asura.Failaras said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Ragnarok.Dragish said: »
Phorcys head > Bale?.. I can't decide!!!

Why wouldn't you use bale +2?
Rare situations in which the STP matters.

Campaign battle?
Campaign is really important, ok?

Ok ... :(

Sorry look what I started...
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2012-08-07 01:31:13  
Ragnarok.Dragish said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Asura.Failaras said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Asura.Failaras said: »
Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Ragnarok.Dragish said: »
Phorcys head > Bale?.. I can't decide!!!

Why wouldn't you use bale +2?
Rare situations in which the STP matters.

Campaign battle?
Campaign is really important, ok?

Ok ... :(

Sorry look what I starts ed...

Well Phorcys head if you wanna build a 5 hit on scythe or a 6 hit on GS. But in embrava zerg situations, you'll be fully buffed and want to stack as much multi attack as you can.
Don't forget Bale +2 has more accuracy than phorcys when you're wielding scythe, and it has DA and STR.
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By Ragnarok.Evihime 2012-08-09 10:26:19  


Was trying this one atm, 6 hit, capped haste 5%Quad 2%TA!
Having fun like kid lol.
Should I make a 5hit instead?
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-09 10:46:53  
What i use for 6 hit on /war 20hp/2da/6stp on body and regain on earring 21stp + Regain which is pretty fast. Still trying to get mala, Hahava can suck it.
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By Phoenix.Chomeymatt 2012-08-09 11:12:25  
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
What i use for 6 hit on /war 20hp/2da/6stp on body and regain on earring 21stp + Regain which is pretty fast. Still trying to get mala, Hahava can suck it.

Bale instead of the regain earring. Moonshade w/ atk 4 and tp bonus 25 will be the optimal choice.
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-09 11:16:13  
Phoenix.Chomeymatt said: »
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
What i use for 6 hit on /war 20hp/2da/6stp on body and regain on earring 21stp + Regain which is pretty fast. Still trying to get mala, Hahava can suck it.

Bale instead of the regain earring. Moonshade w/ atk 4 and tp bonus 25 will be the optimal choice.
Cool story bro :P I didn't only get regain for drk set I'm just working it in there since i have it instead of tp bonus. You happen to have any testing of how much more tp bonus does then bale for ws to make it more worth it? I'd like to see some i am more influenced by math than opinion.

Edit: I wasn't asking to be mean I've just been told via math that the increase over 4 str 8 atk is minimal at best while the regain earring frees up a lot of stp space
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By Phoenix.Chomeymatt 2012-08-09 12:57:24  
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
Phoenix.Chomeymatt said: »
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
What i use for 6 hit on /war 20hp/2da/6stp on body and regain on earring 21stp + Regain which is pretty fast. Still trying to get mala, Hahava can suck it.

Bale instead of the regain earring. Moonshade w/ atk 4 and tp bonus 25 will be the optimal choice.
Cool story bro :P I didn't only get regain for drk set I'm just working it in there since i have it instead of tp bonus. You happen to have any testing of how much more tp bonus does then bale for ws to make it more worth it? I'd like to see some i am more influenced by math than opinion.

Edit: I wasn't asking to be mean I've just been told via math that the increase over 4 str 8 atk is minimal at best while the regain earring frees up a lot of stp space

I wasn't being a ***, but a regain moonshade isn't acceptable at all. You can be using the TP Bonus ATK 4 moonshade on any WS on ANY JOB that varies ftp at 100 200 and 300% TP.
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By Asura.Wilbert 2012-08-09 13:29:29  
I did a parse the other night against Akvan if you want to see the data for Moonshade earring, as a disclaimer when i have 300 tp i WS in bale earring cuz, there is no extra using TP bonus @ 300 tp.

Player WSkill Dmg NetDmg WSkill % Hit/Miss WS.Acc % WS.Low/Hi WS.Avg
Wilbert 174230 174230 63.75 % 48/0 100.00% 1698/5459 3629.79

Resolution: 1698 1864 1873 2047 2331 2374 2415 2565 2567 2664 2712 3063 3092 3188 3361 3371 3418 3457 3536 3545 3641 3688 3715 3785 3812 3818 3830 3846 3924 3945 4046 4141 4160 4167 4224 4298 4326 4395 4408 4409 4449 4449 4511 4591 4732 4890 5430 5459

The next set is a older Akvan but using Bale Earring for ws only because at that time i had the tp regain earring

Player WSkill Dmg NetDmg WSkill % Hit/Miss WS.Acc % WS.Low/Hi WS.Avg
Wilbert 211784 211784 59.97 % 62/0 100.00% 459/5647 3415.87

Resolution: 459 561 637 842 1030 1382 1448 1474 1624 2001 2050 2180 2429 2502 2583 2820 2942 2951 3019 3063 3075 3293 3296 3385 3431 3520 3522 3543 3546 3554 3589 3645 3650 3675 3695 3710 3817 3873 3968 3974 4003 4091 4098 4183 4188 4212 4287 4306 4391 4412 4430 4430 4561 4620 4687 4713 5182 5305 5312 5421 5547 5647

There are your parser numbers.
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-09 13:39:35  
Seems to depend what you're doing based on those parses there isn't a huge difference. For what most people do now VWNM half your ws's will be capped tp anyways from dusty wing making tp bonus useless to str or stat mods. I can see an argument for it in legion etc. Really i'm not seeing the "must have" on tp bonus earring. It's nice to have but it isn't make or break for resolution. For ws with crit % based on tp i'd consider it.. the fights super easy on bst to redo.
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By Asura.Kese 2012-08-09 13:43:19  
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
Seems to depend what you're doing based on those parses there isn't a huge difference. For what most people do now VWNM half your ws's will be capped tp anyways from dusty wing making tp bonus useless to str or stat mods. I can see an argument for it in legion etc. Really i'm not seeing the "must have" on tp bonus earring. It's nice to have but it isn't make or break for resolution. For ws with crit % based on tp i'd consider it.. the fights super easy on bst to redo.

if you're using dusty wings you're doing something wrong
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By Asura.Wilbert 2012-08-09 13:49:05  
At first I was in that mind frame but you do spent a lot of time depending on your xhit build getting to and ws @ 100% tp and above and only really doing 300% tp when you use a ic wing. It does raise your base dmg of Resolution also it increases you avg ws by over 200 to 400 dmg on the first parse i had died twice, second one i probably manage to live all 6 fights. But even then the Regain TP doesn't really help and xhit build in my opinion if your not @ 7hit /war and still at a 8 hit build TP regain wont make you have a 7hit build maybe the off chance you get 99% tp and then it ticks to get 100% then cool but that not the case all the time.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 13:57:07  
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
Seems to depend what you're doing based on those parses there isn't a huge difference. For what most people do now VWNM half your ws's will be capped tp anyways from dusty wing making tp bonus useless to str or stat mods. I can see an argument for it in legion etc. Really i'm not seeing the "must have" on tp bonus earring. It's nice to have but it isn't make or break for resolution. For ws with crit % based on tp i'd consider it.. the fights super easy on bst to redo.
TP Bonus makes resolution's fTP .95 per hit. Bale would be .91875.

If both sets are 200 STR, for ease of it all, it would be like this:

(104+20+170)*4.75 = 1396
(104+20+173)*4.59375 = 1364

x2.25 both for capped attack cRatio

3141 vs 3069
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-08-09 14:01:42  
And that's a pretty huge increase for an earring.
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-09 14:02:14  
So they are arguing over 70 dmg on a ws while probably gimping a piece of tp armor to get x hit? Seems more about epeen than performance.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2012-08-09 14:04:46  
Phoenix.Professoroak said: »
So they are arguing over 60 dmg on a ws while probably gimping a piece of tp armor to get x hit? Seems more about epeen than performance.
Or the fact that WS damage is upwards of 65% of my average damage? Possibly more depending on buffs, target, etc.
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-09 14:09:55  
Based on your own numbers you're only adding .7% dmg from the earring that isn't a priority for me there are also many factors not at play like str vs vit on non vwnm mobs. How a person gears the other 15(14 no range) slots.
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By Phoenix.Professoroak 2012-08-09 14:11:40  
Also your numbers are just an avg estimate no drk does constant numbers reguardless of gear.
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