Kin37ix said: »
Iga helps utsu recast, koga does not. If youre capped or near capped haste with koga then use koga, otherwise use Iga.
Iga Hakama V Koga Hakama
Iga Hakama v Koga Hakama
Not many people use their tp set for utsu cast. I personally cap haste > as much fc as possible > Pdt >eva(Placebo 99% of the time but meh).
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2% haste is not equal to 2% Dw btw.
I'm so confused.
Kin37ix said: »
Shiva.Galbir said: »
2% haste is not equal to 2% Dw btw.
Kin37ix said: »
youre 2% DW ahaid of where you started, in which case you dont want to be any less than 2% haste below cap otherwise youre not gaining anything.
Sylow explained this very well:
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
a = dual wield amount
b= haste amount
x="added amount" of delay reduction
(1-(a+x))(1-b) = (1-a)(1-(b+x))
basic algebraic manipulations simplify this to
ax = bx
so it's true if and only if x=0 or a = b.
which is true if and only if x=0 or a=b (if you're not adding any delay reducion or if haste and dual wield were currently at the same %)
no excuses.
b= haste amount
x="added amount" of delay reduction
(1-(a+x))(1-b) = (1-a)(1-(b+x))
basic algebraic manipulations simplify this to
ax = bx
so it's true if and only if x=0 or a = b.
which is true if and only if x=0 or a=b (if you're not adding any delay reducion or if haste and dual wield were currently at the same %)
no excuses.
Not trying to be a *** btw. :(
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Yup, but since we have DW in such an abundant amount it will normally pull ahead with the same added values; that is unless marched.
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You can also look at
As an inequality:
When is adding to dual wield better?
(1-(a+x))(1-b) < (1-a)(1-(b+x))
bx < ax
b<a
So when you have less haste than DW, adding to DW is better from an attack speed standpoint (assuming no caps are reached)
when is adding to haste better?
(1-(a+x))(1-b) > (1-a)(1-(b+x))
bx > ax
b > a
So when you have more haste than DW, adding to haste is better from an attack speed standpoint (assuming no caps are reached).
That said,
三☆themoreyouknow
Quote:
a = dual wield amount
b= haste amount
x="added amount" of delay reduction
(1-(a+x))(1-b) = (1-a)(1-(b+x))
b= haste amount
x="added amount" of delay reduction
(1-(a+x))(1-b) = (1-a)(1-(b+x))
As an inequality:
When is adding to dual wield better?
(1-(a+x))(1-b) < (1-a)(1-(b+x))
bx < ax
b<a
So when you have less haste than DW, adding to DW is better from an attack speed standpoint (assuming no caps are reached)
when is adding to haste better?
(1-(a+x))(1-b) > (1-a)(1-(b+x))
bx > ax
b > a
So when you have more haste than DW, adding to haste is better from an attack speed standpoint (assuming no caps are reached).
That said,
Shiva.Galbir said: »
Yup, but since we have DW is such an abundant amount it will normally pull ahead with the same added values; that is unless marched.
三☆themoreyouknow
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I just got my Koga the other day, and for attack speed its them> over iga. Then for ni and ichi i macro in iga for the haste.
With the pants I almost feel as if i have haste on me, without it actually on.
With the pants I almost feel as if i have haste on me, without it actually on.
So having 3/5 AF3 +2 set bonus doesn't factor in at all? The dual wield is better in most situations?
Set bonus is hardly worth mentioning, it only procs on the off hand hit I think too which limits it even more.
Cerberus.Celll said: »
I just got my Koga the other day, and for attack speed its them> over iga. Then for ni and ichi i macro in iga for the haste.
With the pants I almost feel as if i have haste on me, without it actually on.
With the pants I almost feel as if i have haste on me, without it actually on.
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I have thaumas kecks and im starting to gear ninja. Is it worth getting the koga still ?
Get a parser, smack some things with numbers, Change pants, smack more things with numbers, keep the pair with higher numbers.
lol
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: »
I have thaumas kecks and im starting to gear ninja. Is it worth getting the koga still ?
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Koga+2 for TP, switch to iga+2 for casting ichi and NI, Koga body+2 for tp Till you can get a thuams.
-2% dw for +15 acc and +20 attack is well worth it.
-2% dw for +15 acc and +20 attack is well worth it.
Cerberus.Celll said: »
Koga+2 for TP, switch to iga+2 for casting ichi and NI, Koga body+2 for tp Till you can get a thuams.
-2% dw for +15 acc and +20 attack is well worth it.
-2% dw for +15 acc and +20 attack is well worth it.
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Cerberus.Celll said: »
Koga+2 for TP, switch to iga+2 for casting ichi and NI, Koga body+2 for tp Till you can get a thuams.
-2% dw for +15 acc and +20 attack is well worth it.
-2% dw for +15 acc and +20 attack is well worth it.
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Seriously just go parse it out yourself OP because honestly most of the people who will respond to you have an opinion on this that they got from a friend of a friend who like killed 2 mobs and decided what was better. Very few people have actually tested it themselves extensively.
Edit: it also helps you learn the job better when you're out testing things and learning on your own instead of just posting on a forum and hoping to get the right answer.
Edit: it also helps you learn the job better when you're out testing things and learning on your own instead of just posting on a forum and hoping to get the right answer.
Asura.Patriclis said: »
Seriously just go parse it out yourself OP because honestly most of the people who will respond to you have an opinion on this that they got from a friend of a friend who like killed 2 mobs and decided what was better. Very few people have actually tested it themselves extensively.
Edit: it also helps you learn the job better when you're out testing things and learning on your own instead of just posting on a forum and hoping to get the right answer.
Edit: it also helps you learn the job better when you're out testing things and learning on your own instead of just posting on a forum and hoping to get the right answer.
Ragnarok.Nemesio said: »
Cerberus.Celll said: »
Koga+2 for TP, switch to iga+2 for casting ichi and NI, Koga body+2 for tp Till you can get a thuams.
-2% dw for +15 acc and +20 attack is well worth it.
-2% dw for +15 acc and +20 attack is well worth it.
How is koga +2 body worse then af +1? I don't see how a minor decrease in dw (2%) would be noticeable over 15 acc and 20 attack. Then again I don't spend hours parsing ***out.
Edit: Also not a lot of people have time to do neo-nyzul for thaumas or people to do it with that are skilled enough to get to floor 100. If op doesn't have the time or whatever to get a thaumas I was just offering a suggestion for a different body piece, other then the one every ninja has been using since 2005.
Porthos Byrnie and relic +2 legs I'm sure has already been suggested somewhere over AF body and emp+2 legs. 7 dw and 2 ta vs. 5 dw (assuming you're at or over gear haste cap). And at this points it's spreadsheets over parses that tell you these things.
Sylph.Decimus said: »
Porthos Byrnie and relic +2 legs I'm sure has already been suggested somewhere over AF body and emp+2 legs. 7 dw and 2 ta vs. 5 dw (assuming you're at or over gear haste cap). And at this points it's spreadsheets over parses that tell you these things.
It's at that point this game stops becoming fun and just a peen contest for neckbeards living in mommies basement.
Also: higher dmg = skill.
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