Ideal WS Sets (Metatron Torment & Upheaval)

Hello! ^ -^/

I've come back to the game after a long break. I don't really know all of the new equipment yet. I was wondering if I could get some suggestions on optimal WS sets for MT and Upheaval. Currently here is what I'm using:

MT


Upheaval


Thank you ahead of time for your input and time!

You may get greater results with Rheic +3 or Phorcys Korazin on both sets.

Phorcys Mitts should out perform Heafoc on Meta.

prolly something like this for upheaval... phorcys body could do better, like Nekonarf said.

err... apathy/warwolf might be better too, too lazy to check though :X



not sure on metatron.

Forgetting Dilaram's sollerets. Also, for Upheaval windbuffet belt should be better than ele belt. Phorcys mitts are also great for Upheaval

I totally didn't see the VIT on those hands :P

for upheaval

I haven't ever had the place to play a character that had Upheaval merit'd, and the only two WARs that give a damn about their job have Ukonvasara and said they wouldn't bother with the WS, how does it hold up without mighty strikes?

Bravura 95 upheaval is slightly better then MT generally

In high buff situations it pulls ahead significantly.

With Bravura 99 I would expect MT to win except during MS and perhaps against fodder mobs.


I am surprised that phorcys Body wins over ares for upheaval.
I thought the mod was that strong.

Wearing 3/5 also gives a +5 stat bonus to STR and VIT.

I basically use http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/256117

I have phorcys body might swap that in now. But I don't have hands


Curious to hear from a Bravura 99. I will post when I get mine

Phorcys Korazin: (bg wiki)

Notes

Weapon Skill damage +7%

does like everybody miss this? lol

No the question is does 12 vit on a 100% mod win out over the 7%

I think if your sitting at 3/5 phorcys it wins but if you have just the body?

Personally I don't know I am sure someone who is better at ffxi math can clear it up. I am hoping for inv+1

I'm pretty positive 12 VIT won't equate to, or surpass, a flat 7% bonus.

You also have to consider +4 STR and the scaling attack that, at a base level, is already stronger than Ares.

Ideal WS set for bravura:



Edit:

Fail troll is fail. Can't see anything..

Upheaval is still better then Metatron with 99 Bravura. I use this for non mighty strikes build, soon to be adding phorcys hands hopefully.


Edit: AF2+2 pants actually win out in some situations, i high attack being one of them, and spiral ring or 2nd terrasoul might be slightly better, but i don't care to buy one.

Phorcy gloves far trump AF2+2 hands. Top it off with the fact that you'd get an additional +3 because of set bonus and it's a complete upgrade.

So 3/5 phorcys (body hands legs) the ideal pieces for both WS?

Legs with the set would effectively be 3 str and 24 attack (not to mention adding 6 stp in your WS). Or would af3+2 or avant+1 be better? How would you rank the three legs?

If the WSD +7% On Phorcys really only applies to the first hit, Valkyrie body is going to come out ahead of Phorcys for Upheaval. Also: I only use Upheaval during MS, so ya, AF3+2 shoes.

Using 99 Ukon my base damage per hit during Upheaval is about 292 using this set:


fTP for the WS is going to be 4.58 due to DA.
222*4.58=1337

Using 99 Ukon my base damage per hit during Upheaval is about 298 using this set:

A gain of 6 base damage using Valk instead of Phorcys, (a gain of 8 vit, but lose 5 STR, should mean -1 fSTR but +7 WSC for a gain of 6) and also a gain of 3% TA.

fTP for the WS is going to be 4.7 due to the DA and extra TA.
228*4.7=1400

This amounts to a 4.71% increase in base damage per hit, which should mean a 4.71% damage increase for the WS's overall damage.

If Phorcys 7% WSD only applies to the first hit, and we know all hits for Upheaval have the same fTP(1), this means we can divide 7 by 4 to see that it's a 1.75% damage increase overall for the WS (not counting DA, which would lower this number) The +24 attack from Phorcys body would need to increase WS damage by 2.96% to make Phorcys the better choice, but lets face it, 24 attack cannot make up that difference, and I have already skewed all the numbers into Phorcys favor whenever I could. But hey, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

How are Rheic dirs+3 vs ogier for Upheaval?

Ogier have almost no chance of winning, unless the 3% WSD carries over to all hits, or you really need the accuracy.

I'm sure you probably have factored it Kaerin, but for the sake of asking, did you factor in the +5 STR/VIT on set one, and the +2 STR/VIT on set 2?

Minor quibble: 8 STR difference due to set bonus, VIT change is correct though. Everything else looks right at a brief glance.

I did account for the VIT set bonus, as you can see if you look where I said that the base damage increases by 6 switching to valk body, as a result of -1fSTR and +8VIT, since Valk body adds 11 VIT. Guess I forgot the STR difference from the set bonus though, lol, that shouldn't change anything though, +3 STR and 24 attack still won't make up the 3% damage difference.

I'm done editing this post now I swears.

Been any more info on if it's first hit only or not?

Ppl on BG seem to say its all hits, though no personal experience.

I have no idea and couldn't come up with a quick easy way to figure it out, since you can't warriors charge > spirits within and win at WSD testing. And Im bored as fffffffffffff waiting for pirates.

Phorcys > Valk even with a TA+3% Augment if the WS DMG is all hits.

It's a good thing you jumped in here to point that out, I don't think anyone would of caught on that 7 is a bigger number than 4.71 if they bothered to read what I wrote.