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Bahamut.Atoreis said: » Fupafighters said: » It's not hard to carry 1 extra belt lol. Be efficient. That was directed to me? If yes, then its not about extra belt. Simply saying that Presilio/Anguinus are best for uncapped attack is just wrong. Then what is? Because I'll tell you right now it's not artful+1. Bahamut.Atoreis said: » Ramuh.Austar said: » Bahamut.Atoreis said: » Ramuh.Austar said: » 32 Attack and 6% DA. Which pretty much means the same situation like artful+1 vs Prosilio. Difference is so small that which win will depends of what buffs/debuffs/mob are used for calculation. Is your attack capped? Yes: Use artful+1. That easy enough to understand then? Its not that easy but I know you are trying to look super cool so I wont bother you ;) I edited my post so check it out.
Also for Prosilio to be slightly better you assumed +40 att from it. Which means you assumed some kind of +att% buff. Which one exactly? For VW you will stack stalwart+berserk+shijinbuff+chaos+Impetus usually which means Prosilio will give more like +52att but on the other hand your att wont be anywhere close to 1004 before Prosilio. So once again what kind of buffs and where you assumed 109 lvl mob with 600 def? Bahamut.Atoreis said: » I edited my post so check it out. taru mnk/dnc, same set i posted earlier with artful+1 and bison steak, not red curries is 928 attack during WS. Dynamis mobs have 436ish defense, easily capped.
Ramuh.Austar said: » taru mnk/dnc, same set i posted earlier with artful+1 and bison steak, not red curries is 928 attack during WS. Dynamis mobs have 436ish defense, easily capped. DC mobs are ~436 defense.
Unless talking about Demons or very specific monster types, the difference in defense between EPs and DCs is rather miniscule from my findings so far, so can pretty much count it for both.
Bahamut.Atoreis said: » I edited my post so check it out. Also for Prosilio to be slightly better you assumed +40 att from it. Which means you assumed some kind of +att% buff. Which one exactly? For VW you will stack stalwart+berserk+shijinbuff+chaos+Impetus usually which means Prosilio will give more like +52att but on the other hand your att wont be anywhere close to 1004 before Prosilio. So once again what kind of buffs and where you assumed 109 lvl mob with 600 def? In VW, you should use Verethragna anyways. And obviously, if you have all those buffs, your attack would be capped, and therefor you use artful+1 like I said to do when your attack is capped. i see im not the only RDM to have fallen victim to this threads title...i must warn the other RDM's!
Ramuh.Austar said: » taru mnk/dnc, same set i posted earlier with artful+1 and bison steak, not red curries is 928 attack during WS. Dynamis mobs have 436ish defense, easily capped. How exactly you got 928? 440 skill is +440 142 STR is +71 Your set has +135att if I counted that right in my head food +90 440+71+135+90=736att Shijin has 5% boost so 772 I feel like I am missing something obvious but would gladly know what exactly. Ramuh.Austar said: » Taru MNK/WAR with red curries: 154 DEX, 141 STR, 1004 attack, 27% DA, 6% TA with artful +1. Taru MNK/WAR with red curries: 144 DEX, 150 STR, 1044 attack, 22% DA, 3% TA with Prosilio. Looks like +40 att for me and 29 * 1.05 is not 40. Its 30.5 Sorry, berserk as well, not sure why I calculated with berserk, but I shouldn't have.
Should be like 767 with artful and 798 with Prosilio then. Mistakes happens.
That would change results a little then no? You wouldnt cap att for Dynamis DC mobs as well. Bahamut.Atoreis said: » Mistakes happens. That would change results a little then no? You wouldnt cap att for Dynamis DC mobs as well. As for the dynamis situation, possibly. Doing it without extra hits would be ((99+13+130)*5.0625)*1.7632 = 2160 ((99+13+122)*5.0625)*1.8345 = 2173 Not quite as large a gap as in higher level/defense, so I can see artful+1 winning, probably by about the same amount as prosilio in the first example. Depending on buffs, they're going to come out about even to be perfectly honest. Same with neck choices.
From the sound of it, if you have berserk up then you can swap out neck/belt; and WS mod never caps I believe.
Basically. I (once again) forgot about Shijin's attack bonus, so my bad.
No, it's just easier to cap Attack. Makes Attack pieces less useful than they'd otherwise be, berserk is substantially more beneficial, etc..
Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Fenrir.Jinjo said: » No, it's just easier to cap Attack. Makes Attack pieces less useful than they'd otherwise be, berserk is substantially more beneficial, etc.. Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Asura.Kaisuko said: » Quetzalcoatl.Mnkk said: » Fenrir.Jinjo said: » No, it's just easier to cap Attack. Makes Attack pieces less useful than they'd otherwise be, berserk is substantially more beneficial, etc.. Not really. To make it easier for you: 1. Artful+1 when mob is Even match or lower and your attack is uncapped 2. Prosilio for high lvl (like 106+lvl) mobs and uncapped attack 3. Anguinus for high lvl mobs and uncapped attack and accuracy 4. Arful+1 whenever you are attack uncapped but close enough to make Prosilio attack gain partially useless. @Jinjo Thats actually reversed att pieces are more valuable because of +att% ja/ws bonus/etc. because att gained with them is multiplied. Ofc no att item is valuable when you cap attack w/o it. Semantics. You're capping attack much faster even without high attack gear pieces. Thus, they're 'less useful'. On mobs where capping attack is entirely out of reach (maybe Morta/Bismarck?), sure, it's more useful. Are you using Shijin Spiral on these? No, you probably aren't.
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