Sha'ir Manteel Worth It Anymore?

Is it still worth the price tag (400k on Fenrir)
since Praeco Doublet is here?

Tbh not really, but lol at your avatar XD!

Sha'ir manteel has more song castingtime - so yeah I'd use sha'ir.

If you ever need the CHR/INT/MND, I'd just macro in the Praeco whenever it's applicable while keeping sha'ir as a precast time only piece.

That's if you're able to do that -- otherwise, praeco is good enough imo. Definitely if you don't really want to spend the 400k.

as an owner of sha'ir manteel, I don't think it's worth the 200k increase with the exception of your basically half naked wearing the thing.
But really, the 15charisma and 5magic accuracy over the 7evasion and 7chrisma I would think would be more desired. Landing threnodys these days is an annoyance, i even go BRD/BLM sometimes. with the sha'ir you do get 2% more, and 3% more if it's a +1 (I think). But really with my current setup inside abyssea my songs are around 2 second cast times, and there probably about 5 seconds outside abbysea, this is with my gear mind you. and I don't have the relic+2 bard feet (which are hella nice), so in conclusion i dont think the fast cast is necessary.. even though i bought my sha'ir manteel for 4mil 2 years ago >_>;

imo precast only and its a must have if you have no prob with gil, otherwise the praeco will meet ur needs.

I don't even see why people are bringing up the CHR...

I use Sha'ir for precast and Aoidos body for all songs buffs and debuffs. I'm no expert on brd macc but is praeco better for anything?

I wasn't talking about using it for the CHR or Macc.
Only for spellcast time, I know it's only 2% over the Praeco but was just curious if there really is any point to it.

I know in Abyssea it's not much of an issue that small percentage but outside I guess it will be.

If you're uncapped any increase to spellcast time- would be worth it for a precast set

If you're serious about bard, I think you should get it. But if it's a job that you may or may not play, assuming that you don't have a lot gil, you should save it. Keep in mind though that it's relatively cheap in comparison if you tried to make up the 2% else where (prolix ring etc).

shouldnt even be on brd if u dont use precast unless ur on ps2/xbox.

but even then its not hard to have somewhat of a decent precast.

why we even need song time- gear? not like the god damn bard have much else to do but to rotate 4 god damn songs -.-, stick with skills and macc gears.

No

Skill gear isn't doing much if you're capped-- which you should be. Song Casting Time- and Fast Cast are the only thing you can benefit from for songs besides enhancements to the song.

Well if you have the Daurdabla and want to play 6 songs, I'd imagine it would be difficult to fit in all 6 with troubadour/nightingale up without pre-cast. I personally like fitting all songs in and then semi-afk'ing for like seven minutes. ^^

Even without one, depending on the mob your party's fighting it may aoe stun, sleep, etc. basically interrupting you. And if you're stuck with a long pre-cast it's gonna be annoying playing all songs without something going wrong.

Think the only thing Praeco is good for is SS if you dont have Nefer/Heka's Kalasiris...or Waltzing others on /DNC if you do that often.

I suppose you could get Praeco but overall Sha'ir will be more beneficial since you'll prolly have to make up for the loss in another slot to cap, taking up more inventory. plus Sha'ir looks cooler imo <.<



Think he meant for debuffs too since he mentioned macc obviously <.<


AF3+2 Bonus, Song Duration+...lol.

He did say 'besides enhancements to the song'!

Haha. Well he did say "Skill Gear" too <_< It isn't doing anything when you're capped but I'd still classify it as an enhancement. (not that I'm macroing in heaps of Skill Gear lol)

Don't forget, you need 800 combined skill to cap Scherzo.

who needs Scherzo

I just use minne

you want double march?

nope. Minne

Yeah, I was taking this into account. Skill also plays a role in nullification proc rate on T2 Carols, don't think there's a known cap to my knowledge though.

Botulus Rex D:

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