[Dev] Treasure Hunter Effect Amongst Jobs

pup needs attachments and gear to make those blm spells nearly as potent, or as accurate at all, several mil worth. and smn.. are you talking about teir IV spells that do 1/4th the damage of a blm's? or healing ruby 2? TH3 is not a foundation of BST, the only thing its good for is currency in dynamis. removing BLM and WHM spells from pup defeats its purpose and cuts it's ability in half

I think it's less about BST's wanting more, and more about BST's wanting to just hold on to what SE gave them in the first place.

But RNG should, sry but that gave me a good laugh. BST shouldnt ur right, but a THF pet should, all of our pets have its corresponding job triats. TH just happens to be the only one ppl r QQ about we shouldnt have.

so your saying all your pets at 99 should be the exact same as their lvl 99 corresponding job? ya....

its not like its permanently gone, how often does SE nerf something, but make an new gear attribute to let you get it back?

when they nerfed ukko, restraint AND blood rage, WARs werent given a way to make their crit WS's ridiculous again.

Ok bst shouldn't have TH ... then i guess the next one will be lossing duel wield on dnc,thf, and blu. maybe only whm will have cure spells. and is there any other argument to bst not having TH then thf only and less bst in dyna?

exactly, why does RNG even need TH?

Wow I don't see ANY rng's crying about this...

Not a single one.

bst still retains TH so stop overreacting. its just less potent. also whm does have the strongest cures.... so its same example. and blu needs spells for their dual wield. and its less potent same with thf and dnc. srsly. stop trying to make stupid examples of ***, especially when they make our point stand out.

TH was not removed, it was lowered and given ways to be restored to normal and possibly better. you know how many spell points blu have to use to get a decent amount of dual wield? and that 1 handed dps jobs being forced to use 1 subjob to actually do their job defeated the purpose of FFXI's flexible job/subjob system as a whole.

for ammo. wasnt needed but it was a nice bone to throw them

But see, they don't see that.

You can now use TH gear on other pets, but all they see is the nerf.

Tell me, what exactly does BST have that it somehow desires "more and more"? BST has a case of entitlement syndrome? You're kidding. All one can be thankful for when a nerf happens is that it doesn't happen to the class they enjoy.

BST =/= WAR.

BST ranks as one of the worst in the game down in the doldrums with RDM and PUP. It excels at soloing weak mobs and nothing more, even against mid-tier content it falls behind the rest of the DD it competes with for a party slot.

The job used to depend on Charm which was abandoned as content started to scale up and the practicality of the ability nosedived. Even in Sky you couldn't charm much but some birds making the class dependant on jugpets that were EMs at best.

So the job finally gets some useful pets that take it from laughably bad to respectable soloist - an arena that already included RDM, BLU, THF, DNC, NIN and SMN yet TH is apparently a dealbreaker?

Everyone here complains about solo BST in Dynamis yet fails to realize outside of Dynamis the job is hopelessly adrift in a sea of DD it has no chance to compete with. Voidwatch? Completely worthless. Legion? Will destroy pets. Nyzul II? Why BST over DD or support? Face it, BST is already in over its head once Dynamis or lvl75 content is taken off the table. It stands no chance in lvl99 events.

SE continuously shows that they have no idea what to do with pet classes and BST once again is kicked in the pants. Instead of improving higher levels of TH (for THF) we're given TH1 on BST with pet gear you now need to waste inventory on to reach the functionality you have today.

Silliness.

that's why I used to say it would be awesome if they could have added a sub sub job, (currently would cap at 24)

woulda been cool imo.

People could use RNG before just fine without it, there are actually going to be BST's who stop playing bst because of this.

It wasn't ever a good thing to have on the job in the end, people are too damn greedy.

Honestly I feel that they should have just kept THF as the sole TH job, seeing as they have not gone out of their way to make it a main stream DD.

SE has stated that if you want to be good in all content then level a wide range of jobs. not every 1 job is going to be awesome in all content. bst are for soloing. so use them for soloing ***. not group. i mean they can be good in group but not as good as another job you can level.

also im pretty sure bst is still pretty damn good at raping abyssea and its hnms...

I don't care about bst getting TH, good for them.

It's this bickering that is ridiculous. They are getting TH back yet they still want to cry and complain.

I say just get rid of it completely if they are going to act like this.

You think this is bad, just wait til the official translation of the Save TP nerf gets posted.

So they should give NIN TH too, right?

As well as BST, to pay for jugs.

Wait, what.

like i said it wasnt needed. and most rngs use low dmg ammo to tp and then use high dmg ammo for ws. which drops their dps. i assume its the same but i would think the rngs who love their job and go above and beyond and use high dmg ammo for tp/ws like the ability to throw TH on a nm they are soloing/duoing without needing a thf. helps them make gil. just saying wasnt needed. but i see why they gave it to them. though idk if its TH2 or 3.

I would so agree with you if most of these BST's even used the job outside of dynamis.

i said it wasnt needed. just like bst TH.....

Who cares if the pets have lvl99 traits or not? Can Hobs use armor, food, buffs or Upheaval/Ukko's Fury? No.

Can Dipper use daggers, stack her WS or use anything a real THF can? No.

These pets do terribly against high level targets, cost money to upkeep, have weak as ***Ready abilities (barring Fantod) and do not receive buffs like human DD. Send Yuly at Pil and I give her 15seconds before she's hit with Flank Opening, takes thousands of damage and dies.

BST itself has no native abilities to consistently increase its damage output. I think the pets having traits is a fair trade for BST being functionally dependent on a pet to keep up with other DD.

yes and TH increases their DD output. i see why you want to keep it so bad. it really does help bst excel where they fall behind on soloing higher tier nms and keeping up with other DDs in event like VW. its all so clear to me why you guys are QQing so hard.

also obviously you care that they have the traits because you care about ur high tier TH..

Any job would, if they took something away then said they will release gear for u to earn it back every job would complain.

Requesting a lock on the topic, as the discussion keeps going in circles and not going anywhere.

If more news comes up on it then I'll request an unlock.

Unlocking topic so Kal can update.

02-07-2012 04:50 PM [source]
Camate Community Rep	Greetings! Since we have seen some comments related to Dynamis for this discussion about the effect of Treasure Hunter amongst jobs, first I would like to respond to this. The aforementioned adjustment is not geared towards specific content, as jobs adjustments are considered to have large effects on everything. Regardless of the existing content, we are considering the case of adding new content in the future and decided it was necessary to re-examine the guidelines and make adjustments. Continuing on, here are some comments in regards to some feedback we have received. Faithful Falcorr Since this is a thief-type pet, many of you were hoping for a strong Treasure Hunter effect and we apologize deeply for lowering the effect. We will be looking into adjustments for Falcorr so that this pet can be utilized differently than Yuly and increase the amount of time it is called for, in addition to the previously mentioned recipe changes. Selection between battle capability of pets/Treasure Hunter This was an exploration of where the beastmaster job has been placed; a job that focuses on fighting alongside a pet, or a job that focuses on Treasure Hunter. We felt that the former was much more fitting and believe that you all feel the same. Based on this decision, we began to look into adjustments of the benefits of Treasure Hunter. Of course, this doesn’t mean that Treasure Hunter is impermissible as a means of support for pets, and the effect itself will remain intact. Exploration of attack aspects Finally, the current focus of this adjustment was Treasure Hunter and adjustments to attack aspects is a different thing to look into. The equation isn’t as simple as saying if a pet has a high value of TH, then attack power will not be raised, and we will be continuing to make necessary adjustments while making the most of each job’s strengths.
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