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 Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 20:40:25  
No, no one complained about pet TH. This was spontaneous nerfing.
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 Bahamut.Zangada
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-02 20:40:39  
Lakshmi.Aurilius said: »
This is merely another time sink to keep people playing longer. I don't get why people are upset with this change. You're playing an MMO. What did you expect?

They will keep changing things to add gear, so that you have to get the new gear. Then once you get the new gear, something else will change and there will be different new gear.

You guys must be new to this stuff. It's kinda how games like this work.


Oh and you also assume TH1 with procs won't net you a decent dynamis run. I'm willing to bet if your bst is geared well, you'll still be fine.

I'm mad cause they only did this with the best pet trait bst had. I used the jugs not only for dyanmis but for all my farming.
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By Cerberus.Vivik 2012-02-02 20:42:15  
Siren.Kalilla said: »
The post right above mine XD
I didn't say anything about it changing Dyna. Simply pointing out that SE is only putting a speed bump in the read for bst. with the TH gear they will be releasing and bst having thf pets, we will still be very effective in dyna. It's just a pointless time sink is all.
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By Lakshmi.Aurilius 2012-02-02 20:42:59  
Right, but it's still a game. You'll still farm the TH gear and get back on the horse.

I used to farm the ***out of dynamis with Yuly myself, but realistically there's *** all you can do about it.


It's like crying because your cable company went up on the monthly rates. Find a new company, or roll over and take it up the ***. Most people on this game will just take it up the ***.
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By Cerberus.Ica 2012-02-02 20:45:18  
Lakshmi.Aurilius said: »
Right, but it's still a game. You'll still farm the TH gear and get back on the horse.

I used to farm the ***out of dynamis with Yuly myself, but realistically there's *** all you can do about it.


It's like crying because your cable company went up on the monthly rates. Find a new company, or roll over and take it up the ***. Most people on this game will just take it up the ***.

What if your cable company is a monopoly!
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 Bismarck.Xzeikx
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By Bismarck.Xzeikx 2012-02-02 20:49:27  
Sad day for starting my next relic :(
 Cerberus.Vivik
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By Cerberus.Vivik 2012-02-02 20:52:34  
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play monopoly up the *** then ica

*okay okay no more stupid fun, promise

Last time that happened we never found the thimble.
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By Siren.Fattynoob 2012-02-02 21:07:24  
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
No, no one complained about pet TH. This was spontaneous nerfing.

Disagree. A few months ago a thread was on here about this very topic with people hating on pet th3.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 21:11:23  
Siren.Fattynoob said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
No, no one complained about pet TH. This was spontaneous nerfing.

Disagree. A few months ago a thread was on here about this very topic with people hating on pet th3.

Was it THFs? No one listens to them anyway. They complain when the sky is blue.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2012-02-02 21:17:49  
Let updates roll out. For all we know, the TH change to pets will allow the chance that the TH level increases as the pet melees the mob, similar to THFs meleeing and RNGs spamming Bounty Shot over the course of a longer fight.
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By Bismarck.Inagarten 2012-02-02 21:20:56  
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
Let updates roll out. For all we know, the TH change to pets will allow the chance that the TH level increases as the pet melees the mob, similar to THFs meleeing and RNGs spamming Bounty Shot over the course of a longer fight.

They have BST in the desired hierarchy below /THF.
So, um, no.
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By Siren.Delirium 2012-02-02 21:21:19  
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
Let updates roll out. For all we know, the TH change to pets will allow the chance that the TH level increases as the pet melees the mob, similar to THFs meleeing and RNGs spamming Bounty Shot over the course of a longer fight.

This may have already been implemented... i'm not a BST so i'm not sure if you can see if your pet has additional effects on attacks anyway.
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By Phoenix.Jimie 2012-02-02 21:24:25  
Just woke up to the best news I've had in months. Thank you SE =D
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By Siren.Delirium 2012-02-02 21:26:45  
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
Siren.Fattynoob said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
No, no one complained about pet TH. This was spontaneous nerfing.

Disagree. A few months ago a thread was on here about this very topic with people hating on pet th3.

Was it THFs? No one listens to them anyway. They complain when the sky is blue.

awwwwwwwwww :'( my poor wittle thf feewing
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2012-02-02 21:29:32  
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »
People are upset, because "hoping" that when this is implemented it turns out to be better in the long run is a scary proposition considering how SE handles things. Also because Bst is basically useless in VW, and almost certainly will be in Legion if it is anything like einherjar.

So old tired boring as hell content like dynamis was one of the few events where Bst could shine. Now they want to timesink us into getting gear to get back to a level of playability we've been at for some time now.

If it does turn out where we can through work get TH on other pets through gear that will be fantastic. However I will reserve my enthusiasm till after this is implemented.

This right here.

SE just nerfing for the sake of nerfing. Dumb devs, out of ideas, BANARANCE etc etc.

BST is awful outside EP/DC content and the one edge it has gets yoinked away in a game where certain unnamed jobs have numerous edges over others. No one will bring BST to Legion, no one will bring field BST in New Nyzul and the job has always been mediocre overall. Why the sudden need to "balance" when people finally find a niche for BST? It's dumb.

You'd think the devs would realize by now that THF isn't out of a job because some pets have TH3 when THF can take TH higher and do more damage than the easily dispatched pets on anything difficult enough to matter. Who the hell cares if someone petburns lvl75 content?
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By Phoenix.Esaias 2012-02-02 21:42:16  
New fashion trend for the spring, PINK IS THE NEW PEARLE. Dyna will still be overcrowded Jimie so don't dance a jig just yet!
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By Phoenix.Jimie 2012-02-02 21:50:57  
Phoenix.Esaias said: »
New fashion trend for the spring, PINK IS THE NEW PEARLE. Dyna will still be overcrowded Jimie so don't dance a jig just yet!

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By Shiva.Falseliberty 2012-02-02 22:59:00  
Major misconception here, the value of TH I, II and III are much diff from 4-12 4-12 are preety much crap and the TH that comes from gear is preety worthless as well. that said.

No bst does not deserve TH III

I have stopped wearing all TH gear on thf now for a long time, all it does is make worse the DPS problems the job has

( I still keep TH stuff in sack for special NMs and stuff)
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By Siren.Mcclane 2012-02-02 23:02:32  
Shiva.Falseliberty said: »
Major misconception here, the value of TH I, II and III are much diff from 4-12 4-12 are preety much crap and the TH that comes from gear is preety worthless as well. that said.

No bst does not deserve TH III

I have stopped wearing all TH gear on thf now for a long time, all it does is make worse the DPS problems the job has

( I still keep TH stuff in sack for special NMs and stuff)

Hard to poke stuff with hands/feet before switching gear? Dagger I can understand in something like dynamis, but no excuse to not macro in/out the hands and feet.
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By Cerberus.Diabolique 2012-02-02 23:03:39  
Shiva.Falseliberty said: »

No bst does not deserve TH III
Why doesn't the job deserve it?
Not getting in to the whole "Job has nothing else going for it for most things" crap, but this makes no sense.

Dipper Yuly and Faithful Falcorr are Thief Pets.
Thief has Treasure Hunter III.
Why does Bst not deserve for their pets to have completely natural traits for the damn things job? Should Hobs not have Crit.Atk Bonus or Double Attack? Carrie must have Auto-refresh and can't even use MP...
Your argument is crap.

The whole thing kind of sucks to me, but I know that no amount of complaining from me or anyone else is actually going to change SE's opinion on this.
Wonder if some of you would be so in favor of this if all the Perle Bst's weren't clogging up Dreamlands the past few months. No one gave a damn about it before.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-02-02 23:09:31  
Shiva.Falseliberty said: »
I have stopped wearing all TH gear on thf now for a long time, all it does is make worse the DPS problems the job has

( I still keep TH stuff in sack for special NMs and stuff)
I know, right? Hitting mobs once in hands/feet just ruins your DPS! How are you supposed to represent THF's amazing damage output when you have to wear such terrible gear for a single hit?
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By seyton 2012-02-02 23:22:24  
Siren.Delirium said: »
Bismarck.Snprphnx said: »
Let updates roll out. For all we know, the TH change to pets will allow the chance that the TH level increases as the pet melees the mob, similar to THFs meleeing and RNGs spamming Bounty Shot over the course of a longer fight.

This may have already been implemented... i'm not a BST so i'm not sure if you can see if your pet has additional effects on attacks anyway.


I've never seen TH message using dipper ever since it was implemented.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Cementfoot 2012-02-02 23:34:55  
Ok so they gonna nerf bst for some of us that's are main job has been since 75 cap they wanna add gear or thinking of adding gear to give back or close the the Th dipper and falcor had fine but if they gonna do this i hope for the love of god they don't make it come from VW or anything stupid like that because people who truly lvl bst did it because of limit game time to play the whole point of bst is to solo but knowing se they gonna really hurt the true bst and make it drop from Vw or legion to where u cant solo to get the item and then being that its gonna be in high demand if its sell-able its going to be outrageous. All i can do now is wait and see how it all pans out.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kainstryder 2012-02-02 23:45:30  
Quetzalcoatl.Cementfoot said: »
Ok so they gonna nerf bst for some of us that's are main job has been since 75 cap they wanna add gear or thinking of adding gear to give back or close the the Th dipper and falcor had fine but if they gonna do this i hope for the love of god they don't make it come from VW or anything stupid like that because people who truly lvl bst did it because of limit game time to play the whole point of bst is to solo but knowing se they gonna really hurt the true bst and make it drop from Vw or legion to where u cant solo to get the item and then being that its gonna be in high demand if its sell-able its going to be outrageous. All i can do now is wait and see how it all pans out.

Good god, what are periods? I can't even make that out.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-02 23:46:53  
Siren.Mcclane said: »
no excuse to not macro in/out the hands and feet.

macro?

wut is dat
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By Zelduh 2012-02-02 23:47:27  
PUP/THF with TH sash, inb4 new bandwagon dynamis job (Flashbulb and Strobe are on 30 second timers and count as weaponskill procs, as well as the puppet's TP and your TP)
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By Carbuncle.Ianpyst 2012-02-02 23:48:03  
Quetzalcoatl.Cementfoot said: »
Ok so they gonna nerf bst for some of us that's are main job has been since 75 cap they wanna add gear or thinking of adding gear to give back or close the the Th dipper and falcor had fine but if they gonna do this i hope for the love of god they don't make it come from VW or anything stupid like that because people who truly lvl bst did it because of limit game time to play the whole point of bst is to solo but knowing se they gonna really hurt the true bst and make it drop from Vw or legion to where u cant solo to get the item and then being that its gonna be in high demand if its sell-able its going to be outrageous. All i can do now is wait and see how it all pans out.

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By Bahamut.Feisei 2012-02-02 23:50:16  
Entire debate: We had it, why take it away! Ukko/VS would like a word with you.
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