Versatility On BLU In VW

2 Blus for "constant procs" makes me rage. It's essentially giving two people a pass to do more or less nothing for most fights and one of them to do one or two things every now and then when a blue magic proc comes up. 1 Almace Blu who knows how to use it and switch spells in and out for procs > 2 Blus with all spells set to proc.

Also, when you're considering jobs for a VW alliance and have the option of a Widowmaker War or an Ukon War you more than likely go with the latter not because he/she can proc but because he/she can proc AND do a lot of damage. That's the same reason why 1 Almace Blu > 2 Blus who split and set all procs.

Picking up two Blus for that reason alone is just looking at the job as a proc *** and I'm happy to say any capable Blu is more than just a proc in the alliance.

@Atoreis

Removing DW3 and replacing it with DW2 is adding .46 second(s) to you total delay (assuming spell haste and you have 25% gear haste from tp set (referencing Proth's set)). Removing Store Tp will make you require an additional attack round in order to get 100tp (After Chant, 17-hit vs 15-hit.) At this point you're gimping yourself severely and removing TA is making it worse.

Thunder proc is 17 points for the full set. You have a minimum of 14 points set for dw2 (13 if you don't want haste.) At best you're getting 3 full elements (and possibly 1 or 2 more spells) in out of 8 aka 37.5%~43.75% of your proc list. This is what Proth is trying to stress. You'll still be switching frequently while gimping yourself pretty badly.

For all you know, you could go the whole fight without a blu proc being need.

You have an Almace. Use it correctly please.

Im not failing to understand you just use bad argument to make your point. Compering this to weapons proc on war have no sense at all.

I really listen and argument that mob wont be dead before you will be able to switch spells etc. is valid and strong (and its first good argument actually).

In the end in good ally DD BLU is probably better idea. In bad PUGs where ppl drops like flies when they cant use fanatic all the time it might be better to have 2 BLU with all spells set.

@Alryc What you saying kinda conflict with itself. BLU is much more than proc job but you dont want more than one in ally?

I'll leave it at that as I'm beginning to get a headache arguing this.

One thing though. The BLUs with all spells set likely aren't fixing anything in a bad PUG. In fact a good BLU with DD spells set that can tank would be more of an asset in that situation.

Wow so two blu dont do anything? really? might as well say brd isnt doing anything either. You say that now but if white is a spell that a blu doesnt have on and its the only blu you got and ppl are dropping like flies and in a desperate need of a proc and blu doesnt cool down in time, mission fails you gonna be bitching about it. I remember I was the only blu and there was one cor screaming at us for certain proc because fools dont tend to learn about other jobs that have certain cool downs.

dude its like you said "Versatility" it all depends on what you are doing and what jobs you have with you and what is needed upon certain nms. what works on one nm doesnt work on others. why cant people get that?

Please stop talking, you have no idea what you're arguing about.

The amount of drama and arguing in this thread is pointless since in less than a year it will be irrelevant because everyone and their grandmother will have full drops from VNMs and no longer care about it as with all endgame events.

Truth is BLU is an amazing job. It's versatility knows no bounds and forever be the most fun and unique jobs in the game.

I doubt that. Good BLU will likely tank which will result in dieing before you would be able to use the spells you did set.

I was in bad pug ally today. I parsed first in every fight that I was alive because mob was staggered. When it wasnt tho I died pretty quick because no WHM was prepared to cure BLU that is in BLM ally because its impossible that this BLU can get hate - wrong. I dont think You will ever be able to get through with massage that very good BLU can easily outparse avg WAR because ppl are just close minded like that and good BLU in bad PUG will always have a hard time surviving when tanking w/o healing.

This would apply to so many posts in this thread.

I don't need to utilize my set spells to tank. My linkshell values my BLU, I don't have issues receiving cures.

Gnostic's and temp potions yo, I usually don't die unless I get one shotted somehow. And theres this magical status effect... whats it called again? Oh yeah, Reraise! It lets you come back from KO automatically, Amazing right!

Whats your next random argument?

and you do? if so ppl wouldnt be at you at the moment.

You've pretty much proven that you're currently inept, so I would suggest taking the advice of your superiors to improve yourself rather than being stubborn and remaining ignorant. It's that sort of thing that makes BLU look horrible.

No truer statement has ever been spoken.

Marquiss I will ignore you foor simple fact that you cant argue at all. You seems to be butthurt just because someone is arguing with you.

@Prothescar Yeah I know its not a problem when youa re with ppl that knows you. I only see this problem in PUG.


Summing up what we agree on:
BLU DD is best option for ally that acknowledge your skill and know how you will play.

Summing up what I still have some doubts:
BLU DD in PUG on harder VW.

I can live with that, but it doesn't mean I agree completely. 9 times out of 10 I'm making the PUG, and thus ensure that I have heals. if you're in an absolutely horrible PUG where the WHMs are complete ***and don't know anything about BLU, then yeah, I can see it becoming an issue if procs are also a problem. However, I don't see BLU changing it much by setting more proc spells, odds are if procs are bad and the BLU is good, it isn't the BLU's fault primarily, if at all. It's a group effort.

You mad because I nulled all your HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE comments?

You havent nulled them but played ignorant jerk that tried to be alpha and omega and try to make fool of me using poor irony. You could actually try to argue like normal person instead of trying to be funny.

Your argument that its ok to go full out on dmg in the situation where your healers sux is tha tyou can reraise? Thats a joke or real argument? Im a little confused... When you die your DPS goes to ***. Its much better to even turn around to lose hate and run away till you see next Red !! and you can then go back to DDing.

If you die and need to proc, you can RR you fool. And if your healers suck use potions.

It's basic VW, learn it.

Atoreis is being Atoreis as usual. Hes always right. No one is as good as he is.

we cant help being mere mortals

DAT GOD COMPLEX

Its funny because if you read around, and its a disagreement with him its always "You don't understand me" or "you can't read".

If so many people seem to not be able to understand you, perhaps its you and not them.

lol

EV restores temps and caps lights, it's not an automatic win button. Chances are if the alliance is doomed to fail before the 60 second cool down on spells then you'd probably wipe even if you managed to get the proc. Reevaluate the entire setup before you say the Blu was doingitwrong.

Or... she's very good and doing exactly what we expect her to do: proc. I won't disagree that she could have parsed an extra few % if she set DD trait spells/used food/subbed war(she was /blm)/was in one of the COR parties, but she wasn't, so back off with the unfounded personal attacks about a BLU that plays differently than you. IE. prioritizes procs over DDing.


This entire thread has become about Marquiss (comparing himself to PUG DD, lol.) and Prothescar waving their epeen about BLU around. I personally have no problem with that, but when they start to claim it's better, neck and neck or even close to an equally well geared WAR or MNK...

The point is: If I have 4 slots in a BRD/COR party, and I have 4 DD to pick, I'm going to pick the WAR/MNK/DRK/SAM every time (assuming all are equal in terms of skill/gear), which is more than enough for pure DD to kill 99% of VWNM. I 100% agree with Pro in respect to BLU being more than just a leech in a VW ally, but with my main DDs covered, I don't care about anything other than their magic procs. Nearly all of our fights average around 90 seconds to the point where a BLU DDing makes no difference, so having procs ready is more beneficial to the group in our case.

It seems Pro is taking this so seriously because he's had to sit through many VW in the mage party watching full perle WARs or pink MNKs get the buffs over him because the leaders setting them up have a stigma that any war > any blu, which obviously isn't the case. But, assuming perfect playstyle, buffs and gear, BLU is #5 on DD hierarchy, and that's being really nice. The only reason for my initial post was to ground Pro on his ignorance of what none PUG /average/crap DD are like and how unrealistic his 5% figure was.

No it's completely founded, since they're playing inadequately and not performing their job properly. Are you telling me that if you saw a WAR dual wielding a ridill and a joyeuse parsing 6% you'd be ok with that? Because I find that highly doubtful considering your history.

Your assumptions and assertions are beginning to try my patience, however. I suggest you climb out of your hole and start grounding yourself. Your BLU DDing makes no difference because, quite frankly, it appears that your BLU is ***. That's the fact of the matter.

Also, BLU being in the top 5 DD isn't "being nice", it's a complete and utter fact. I don't need the WAR massas coming down telling me what's allowed and what's not in their world of DD. I've already revised my 5% to a much more reasonable number for both parties. If it still isn't enough for you, then I'm sorry, I'm not devaluing my job for your ego. You aren't giving it nearly enough credit.

90 seconds? I call *** unless otherwise proven. And if a blu has the wrong element set then theres no way in hell its gonna be able to proc in that time whether you set all procs in advance or not.

Did you even read my post or is your head too far up your ***? 1) She was in the mage party getting 0 buffs. 2) She was /blm in case a proc was enfeeble. 3) Her #1 priority was to proc asap, because that's what we demand from our BLUs- fast procs above all else. What's so hard to understand? Do you really have to belittle someone because they have a different play style than you. Our group focuses on covering 100% magic procs and for the most part ignore WS procs. We have 0 need for her DD, so her sole purpose is to proc. I'll say it again: Most of the time our fights are so fast, we have literally no need for BLU DD, and the chance at the extra procs from settting more proc spells over DD trait spells(assuming only using 1 BLU) is a greater asset to our overall proficiency.



The only thing you're convincing me of now is that all the other DD you play with are so bad that you have a God complex of how good your BLU is.


Thanks, you admitted exactly what I wanted you to. BLU is at best #5. WAR, MNK, SAM and DRK > BLU. So, it comes down to: Do you want to buff a lesser DD or not.


The only response I can come up with is: lol.

I'm pretty much done with you. It's your kind who will never see any other job besides your own, because you're too busy sniffing your own ***and the ***of your WAR and SAM buddies to see that there are other jobs capable of competing with you.

The DDs in my linkshell are far from gimp, and I don't have a God complex. If anyone has a God complex, its your holy highness on his WARhorse, assuming that just because his weapon is bigger than everyone else's, it's immediately leagues better. Hint: it isn't. You're just a biased fool.

There is no excuse for the inadequacy of that BLU, she is playing below expected parameters. There's absolutely no reason for the BLU to be subbing BLM, there's no reason to have no DD traits set, and even without buffs she should have been pulling higher averages and more damage than what she pulled. Her playstyle is flawed. It's not acceptable. That's like saying that a BLM that only cures instead of uses any nukes is just peachy keen!

What you ask of your BLUs is inadequate, and thus you foster the image of the pitiful stigma of a bad lv 75~85 BLU. It's a sickening spectacle. I don't care if she's your girlfriend, your mother, or just your friend: she is a gimp.

Your gap between 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 is larger than it actually is, which is your shortcoming. Find a BLU worth their salt, then talk to me.

I guess your LS does kill that fast considering that you guys d2 yourselves in the middle of a run when you fail to stun death prophet on Kaggen.