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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-02-03 17:14:10  
Ragnarok.Ashman said: »
If that's directed at me, I never said YOU can't do it or that "I" couldn't do it, but I don't feel that most of the population of blu can do it. I also think that it's irresponsible to paint that picture for the average blu mage. If not, pardon my assumption.
That specification was nonexistant in your original post, so assuming that you're not simply safefacing here I'd suggest bearing in mind who all tends to respond to BLU posts around here and phrasing future posts accordingly.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-02-03 17:18:26  
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Ragnarok.Marquiss said: »
I'd personally be just fine with only a COR.

Have a problem to change gear fast enough with marches? :D

BRD > COR for DD output assuming you have no Embrava.

x2 march is better then save tp and attack bonus?


Yes marches are better by far. Its not even competition here.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-02-03 17:23:51  
Oh btw regarding to BLU discussion. I am myself a BLU just a little worse than You Prothescar so I know what kind of performance you have in mind when writing about BLU DD output.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-02-03 17:28:11  
Something awfully fishy about your math, but let's go with that because I have a headache. All factors combined put BLU on par with MNK at minimum. Add in what utility a BLU might offer from debuffs, DEF down and whatnot, and it's slightly more valuable from being able to put those up and enhance the entire group, however I don't consider those when comparing damage.

As far as you knowing what I'm talking about when I speak of DD output for BLU... remains to be seen.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-02-03 17:32:29  
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Something awfully fishy about your math, but let's go with that because I have a headache. All factors combined put BLU on par with MNK at minimum. Add in what utility a BLU might offer from debuffs, DEF down and whatnot, and it's slightly more valuable from being able to put those up and enhance the entire group, however I don't consider those when comparing damage.

As far as you knowing what I'm talking about when I speak of DD output for BLU... remains to be seen.


Nothing is fishy about my math, you probably forgot about kick attacks or/and how to calculate fist dmg.

Believe me or not, I can play BLU as good as You in term of DD but I lack athos legs and athos gloves.
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2012-02-03 18:39:02  
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they be nerfing save tp, lolololololololol


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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-02-04 08:13:11  
Proof that I'm elite BLU :D:D:D:D
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Damage Summary
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg   Absorbed Dmg
Atoreis                  25112     13,37%        8591           0           0       16521           0          0              0
Bfour                    20822     11,08%        6264           0           0       14558           0          0              0
Delto                     9844      5,24%        4692           0         494        4658           0          0              0
Fledy                     9959      5,30%        3449           0        1891        4592          15         12              0
Hawke                     7700      4,10%        3590           0           0        4007          97          6              0
Infini                   12039      6,41%           0           0           0        1018       11021          0              0
Kneuklid                  2331      1,24%           0           0           0           0        2331          0              0
Korin                    22194     11,82%           0           0           0           0       22194          0              0
Led                      10415      5,54%          27        1036           0        9352           0          0              0
Melawen                      5      0,00%           0           0           0           0           5          0              0
Migl                        72      0,04%           0           0           0           0          72          0              0
Nanndeyanen              24167     12,87%           0           0        1788       22379           0          0              0
Noos                     23046     12,27%        8495           0           0       14525           0         26              0
Parsleyy                  1028      0,55%           0           0        1028           0           0          0              0
Pern                     12672      6,75%        4244           0           0        8150           0        278              0
Shinn                      904      0,48%           0           0           0           0         904          0              0
Ramuh                     3619      1,93%         588           0        3031           0           0          0              0
SC: Distortion             201      0,11%           0           0           0           0           0          0              0
SC: Light                 1713      0,91%           0           0           0           0           0          0              0
Total                   187843    100,00%       39940        1036        8232       99760       36639        322              0


Melee Damage
Player            Melee Dmg  Abs'd.Dmg   Net Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss    M.HR %   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi  M+0.Avg  M-0.Avg
Atoreis                8591          0      8591    34,21%       89/5    94,68%    94,68%    43/182    80,94    80,94
Bfour                  6264          0      6264    30,08%       21/0   100,00%   100,00%   134/459   235,31   235,31
Delto                  4692          0      4692    47,66%       17/4    80,95%    80,95%     0/448   232,83   232,83
Fledy                  3449          0      3449    34,63%      46/25    64,79%    64,79%    26/164    61,79    61,79
Hawke                  3590          0      3590    46,62%       71/7    91,03%    91,03%      8/56    34,65    34,65
Infini                    0          0         0     0,00%        0/2     0,00%     0,00%       0/0     0,00     0,00
Led                      27          0        27     0,26%        4/6    40,00%    40,00%       0/0     0,00nie jest liczbą
Nanndeyanen               0          0         0     0,00%        0/1     0,00%     0,00%       0/0     0,00     0,00
Noos                   8495          0      8495    36,86%       82/3    96,47%    96,47%    34/193    81,84    81,84
Pern                   4244          0      4244    33,49%       39/3    92,86%    92,86%     1/145    76,04    76,04
Ramuh                   588          0       588    16,25%       11/8    57,89%    57,89%     39/58    48,50    48,50


Melee Crit Damage
Player                #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C-0.Avg     Crit%
Atoreis                  23    99/257    141,26    25,84%
Bfour                     5   358/907    499,80    23,81%
Delto                     5   317/427    379,60    29,41%
Fledy                    12    56/197    112,33    26,09%
Hawke                    25    58/106     79,84    35,21%
Infini                    0       0/0      0,00     0,00%
Led                       1     27/27     27,00    25,00%
Nanndeyanen               0       0/0      0,00     0,00%
Noos                     18   116/330    180,94    21,95%
Pern                     14    96/327    167,36    35,90%
Ramuh                     1   103/103    103,00     9,09%


Ranged Damage
Player            Range Dmg   Range %   Hit/Miss    R.HR %   R.Acc %  R.Low/Hi  R+0.Avg  R-0.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C-0.Avg     Crit%
Led                    1036     9,95%        7/1    87,50%    87,50%       0/0   148,00   148,00      0   142/149      0,00     0,00%
Parsleyy                  0     0,00%        0/6     0,00%     0,00%       0/0     0,00     0,00      0       0/0      0,00     0,00%


Other Magical Damage  (Additional Effects and Spikes)
Player            M.AE Dmg  # M.AE  M.AE Avg   R.AE Dmg  # R.AE  R.AE Avg   Spk.Dmg  # Spike  Spk.Avg
Fledy                   12       3      4,00          0       0      0,00         0        0     0,00
Hawke                    6       1      6,00          0       0      0,00         0        0     0,00
Noos                    26       5      5,20          0       0      0,00         0        0     0,00
Pern                   278      25     11,12          0       0      0,00         0        0     0,00


Weaponskill Damage
Player                 WSkill Dmg  Abs'd.Dmg   Net Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg
Atoreis                     16521          0     16521     65,79%      11/0    100,00%    796/2091  1501,91
 - Chant du Cygne           16521          0     16521    100,00%      11/0    100,00%    796/2091  1501,91
Bfour                       14558          0     14558     69,92%       8/0    100,00%   1298/2479  1819,75
 - Ukko's Fury              14558          0     14558    100,00%       8/0    100,00%   1298/2479  1819,75
Delto                        4658          0      4658     47,32%       8/1     88,89%    224/1229   582,25
 - Cross Reaper               888          0       888     19,06%       1/0    100,00%     888/888   888,00
 - Guillotine                1229          0      1229     26,38%       1/0    100,00%   1229/1229  1229,00
 - Herculean Slash            701          0       701     15,05%       1/0    100,00%     701/701   701,00
 - Infernal Scythe            672          0       672     14,43%       1/0    100,00%     672/672   672,00
 - Nightmare Scythe           224          0       224      4,81%       1/0    100,00%     224/224   224,00
 - Spinning Scythe            228          0       228      4,89%       1/0    100,00%     228/228   228,00
 - Spiral Hell                453          0       453      9,73%       1/0    100,00%     453/453   453,00
 - Vorpal Scythe              263          0       263      5,65%       1/1     50,00%     263/263   263,00
Fledy                        4592          0      4592     46,11%       8/0    100,00%    253/1629   574,00
 - Black Halo                1629          0      1629     35,47%       1/0    100,00%   1629/1629  1629,00
 - Cataclysm                  810          0       810     17,64%       1/0    100,00%     810/810   810,00
 - Impulse Drive              269          0       269      5,86%       1/0    100,00%     269/269   269,00
 - Judgment                   661          0       661     14,39%       1/0    100,00%     661/661   661,00
 - Raging Axe                 264          0       264      5,75%       1/0    100,00%     264/264   264,00
 - Retribution                399          0       399      8,69%       1/0    100,00%     399/399   399,00
 - Smash Axe                  253          0       253      5,51%       1/0    100,00%     253/253   253,00
 - Sonic Thrust               307          0       307      6,69%       1/0    100,00%     307/307   307,00
Hawke                        4007          0      4007     52,04%       6/0    100,00%    226/1127   667,83
 - Blade: Hi                 4007          0      4007    100,00%       6/0    100,00%    226/1127   667,83
Infini                       1018          0      1018      8,46%       3/0    100,00%       0/996   339,33
 - Cataclysm                  996          0       996     97,84%       1/0    100,00%     996/996   996,00
 - Full Swing                   0          0         0      0,00%       1/0    100,00%         0/0     0,00
 - Spirit Taker                22          0        22      2,16%       1/0    100,00%       22/22    22,00
Led                          9352          0      9352     89,79%       8/0    100,00%   1059/1323  1169,00
 - Jishnu's Radiance         9352          0      9352    100,00%       8/0    100,00%   1059/1323  1169,00
Nanndeyanen                 22379          0     22379     92,60%      10/0    100,00%   2066/2649  2237,90
 - Wildfire                 22379          0     22379    100,00%      10/0    100,00%   2066/2649  2237,90
Noos                        14525          0     14525     63,03%      11/0    100,00%    870/1750  1320,45
 - Victory Smite            14525          0     14525    100,00%      11/0    100,00%    870/1750  1320,45
Parsleyy                        0          0         0      0,00%       0/2      0,00%         0/0     0,00
 - Hot Shot                     0          0         0      0,00%       0/1      0,00%         0/0     0,00
 - Sniper Shot                  0          0         0      0,00%       0/1      0,00%         0/0     0,00
Pern                         8150          0      8150     64,32%       7/0    100,00%    849/1402  1164,29
 - Chant du Cygne            8150          0      8150    100,00%       7/0    100,00%    849/1402  1164,29


Ability Damage
Player                  Abil. Dmg  Abs'd.Dmg   Net Dmg    Abil. %  Hit/Miss    A.Acc %    A.Low/Hi    A.Avg
Delto                         494          0       494      5,02%       1/0    100,00%     494/494   494,00
 - Entropy                    494          0       494    100,00%       1/0    100,00%     494/494   494,00
Fledy                        1891          0      1891     18,99%       1/0    100,00%   1891/1891  1891,00
 - Ruinator                  1891          0      1891    100,00%       1/0    100,00%   1891/1891  1891,00
Nanndeyanen                  1788          0      1788      7,40%       3/0    100,00%     596/596   596,00
 - Fire Shot                 1788          0      1788    100,00%       3/0    100,00%     596/596   596,00
Parsleyy                     1028          0      1028    100,00%       4/1     80,00%     257/257   257,00
 - Fire Shot                 1028          0      1028    100,00%       4/0    100,00%     257/257   257,00
 - Last Stand                   0          0         0      0,00%       0/1      0,00%         0/0     0,00
Ramuh                        3031          0      3031     83,75%       3/0    100,00%    991/1034  1010,33
 - Chaotic Strike            3031          0      3031    100,00%       3/0    100,00%    991/1034  1010,33
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By Leviathan.Prototyp 2012-02-04 08:28:40  
VW parse. k mate
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By Odin.Brocovich 2012-02-04 08:39:07  
i like the 1.6k Black Halo ^^
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-02-04 08:39:48  
Wonder if someone will actually catch it lol
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By Asura.Dajociont 2012-02-04 08:52:12  
..k
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-02-04 14:27:25  
Ok then I'm not elite but LE,ET
Maybe it will be easier to understand XD
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-02-04 14:34:01  
yes, yes, 13.37%
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By Zeota 2012-02-04 14:42:53  
Well played, sir!
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By Sylph.Kimble 2012-02-04 14:52:49  
I wish we could ban parses on here now.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-02-04 14:55:19  
They're fine as models for relative power as long as the variables are balanced which, admittedly, has not been the case in 90% of these. They can't be considered absolute evidence however.
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By Fupafighters 2012-02-04 14:57:13  
Can ya all just stfu about whats better than what and play your damns jobs and actually enjoy it without being elitists? Im not gonna read through 6 pages to listen to people, i wanna know hands down why this job is versatile damn...
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-04 14:57:53  
Fupafighters said: »
Can ya all just stfu about whats better than what and play your damns jobs and actually enjoy it without being elitists? Im not gonna read through 6 pages to listen to people, i wanna know hands down why this job is versatile damn...

Wrong forum.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-02-04 15:00:37  
But seriously though, can you imagine what it would be like if we were all like that?

Post 1: Hey guys! I really enjoy playing my job and I can do all these things. *List* Isn't that great? It's so much fun!

Post 2: Wow, that's really neat! I'm really glad you enjoy your job! I didn't know you could do all that. I really enjoy playing my job, too. I'm glad we can both enjoy both of our jobs equally.

Post 3: Awesome! Kudos! I've never played your job or really seen one in action before, so that was a really interesting read. I think I'll go make a post about how much fun I have playing my favorite job, too!
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-02-04 15:00:57  
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Can ya all just stfu about whats better than what and play your damns jobs and actually enjoy it without being elitists? Im not gonna read through 6 pages to listen to people, i wanna know hands down why this job is versatile damn...

Then maybe you should read the god damn thread. Do that, or get the *** out of here.
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By Fupafighters 2012-02-04 15:04:26  
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
Fupafighters said: »
Can ya all just stfu about whats better than what and play your damns jobs and actually enjoy it without being elitists? Im not gonna read through 6 pages to listen to people, i wanna know hands down why this job is versatile damn...

Then maybe you should read the god damn thread. Do that, or get the *** out of here.
Everytime i read a thread and see your name, all im going to see is you bitching and trying to prove that you do better than everyone else and this is 10x better than that instead of offering simple suggestions kindly and its sickening to me. Just seriously learn to just offer the suggestions or you leave lol....Noone likes elitists.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-02-04 15:05:23  
You are easily the worst type of trog, the kind who can't handle criticism and who feels the need to be holier-than-thou and create a society where everyone is a drone.

Maybe if you, I don't know, read the last six pages of the thread, you'd see plenty of input being shared. Instead, you're being a complete knob and deciding not to read the thread, and to instead preach your ideals to people who don't give a ***.
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By Fupafighters 2012-02-04 15:07:23  
Cool story. Now i can officially never want to read about these jobs and actually get "better" at this game simply because you never STFU and your horrible to read.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-02-04 15:08:23  
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By Fupafighters 2012-02-04 15:11:30  
Oh and i read all these damn pages and its basically about you bitching about how BLU is on par with mnk and warrior lol...Hmmm i never read anything like that............. I literally got very little input on how blue is versatile in this whole thread, unless you have every piece of gear and a almace and such. K thanks for the input.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-02-04 15:12:40  
You are wrong.

I like elitists including Prothescar.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-02-04 15:12:57  
Fupafighters said: »
Oh and i read all these damn pages and its basically about you bitching about how BLU is on par with mnk and warrior lol...Hmmm i never read anything like that............. I literally got very little input on how blue is versatile in this whole thread, unless you have every piece of gear and a almace and such. K thanks for the input.


Maybe you should read the OP, too, since it seems you missed that. Baseless trolling, and pointlessly trying to stir up ***.


And while we don't always agree I can say that I'm still partial to you too, Atoreis.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-02-04 15:14:39  
BLU is still a very capable versatile job overall. The topic is mostly in regards to Voidwatch where its either Physical DD or magical DD, there isn't much else for BLU there unless you are a lazy proc ***.
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-02-04 15:16:40  
I kinda wonder what the future of VW will be like. Considering you don't need to proc since you start at capped lights w/cells, how will that fare for us? I think people will just load up on the heavy DD and a few buffer/healers and zerg everything, which means most meatheads won't even think of BLU.
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By Bahamut.Atoreis 2012-02-04 15:16:46  
If we would agree on everything there wouldnt be any interesting conversations ^^b
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