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By Eugene 2012-01-18 21:56:07  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I may have missed out on this but has anyone started up any constructive discussion with congress? I mean, I see a lot of people flat out condemning SOPA and PIPA but has there been any suggestions made that would contribute to eliminating the problem without stepping on others? I saw a few posts where people said they couldn't think of anything but I was just wondering if there has been any discussion like that.

I'm sure that they have had people willing to testify in front of committees on the harm this will cause. To what extent they have listened, I haven't seen that as reported on as much.
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By zahrah 2012-01-18 21:59:18  
Well, Leila, I think I've done my share of scolding, nagging, and finger wagging at my rep. Nice when we can actually put those powers to good use instead of doing it in the religion thread.
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By Fenrir.Skadoosh 2012-01-18 22:01:11  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I may have missed out on this but has anyone started up any constructive discussion with congress? I mean, I see a lot of people flat out condemning SOPA and PIPA but has there been any suggestions made that would contribute to eliminating the problem without stepping on others? I saw a few posts where people said they couldn't think of anything but I was just wondering if there has been any discussion like that.
This is precisely what I was suggesting. I guess I worded it poorly. Needs more debating the opposition and less black rectangles. Reasoning>protesting
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By Bismarck.Rinomaru 2012-01-18 22:06:51  
TheOatmeal has a pretty funny thing goin on.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-19 08:06:46  
SOPA blackout: Bills lose three co-sponsors amid protests

SOPA and PIPA sponsors withdraw bill sponsorship
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-19 08:10:00  
You know some people made have disagreed with the method used yesterday, but apparently it worked.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-01-19 08:11:32  
http://www.deadline.com/2012/01/exclusive-hollywood-moguls-stopping-obama-donations-because-of-administrations-piracy-stand/
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-19 08:15:35  
Democrats are supposed to side with Hollywood, now that he's against the bill, this should get interesting. Will he stand by his stance amid losing donations, or will he cave?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-19 08:19:08  
Also what else I liked about yesterday was that the actual websites participated. Rather than having someone like Anonymous take down sites, or something along those lines, big players like Google, Wikipedia, etc. took part.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-01-19 08:25:59  
I was kinda hoping that Facebook and Twitter would follow suit but they didn't =(

Imagine the rage when people found out Facebook was down for the day.

I do agree with some people tho, that the blackout was kinda a childish way to protest, however it did spread the word and I heard that they're planning on taking out the "blame the websites for posted user-based content" part. Will that change things? Probably not much.
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By Asura.Hit 2012-01-19 08:50:38  
I'm glad this site participated in the protest. I wasn't aware of the bill before.

People on this site are so proactive in discussion of events in general, more often than not I hear about things here, before I see anything about them anywhere else.
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By Oumura 2012-01-19 08:54:28  
Really late to the party here...

Speaking simply from a gamer's standpoint, I find the most irritating thing about SOPA being the ESA's rather strong push for it. Even when taking into consideration that companies like EA, Sony, and Nintendo have "withdrawn" their support from SOPA, the fact remains that the ESA is essentially an umbrella they still stand under.

::EDIT::
My mistake, after having read a bit on the subject a little more I came across this.

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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-19 08:55:26  
Cerberus.Kalyna said: »
I was kinda hoping that Facebook and Twitter would follow suit but they didn't =( Imagine the rage when people found out Facebook was down for the day. I do agree with some people tho, that the blackout was kinda a childish way to protest, however it did spread the word and I heard that they're planning on taking out the "blame the websites for posted user-based content" part. Will that change things? Probably not much.
Too much money at stake... same with Google. Is it just me or do you think that some of the groups that organized protests were more worried about losing revenue and legal issues for themselves as opposed actually trying to protect freedom of speech and the like? Kind of like the same fight just for the other side that seemed to coincide with our percieved view of "the right thing".
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-01-19 09:15:49  
I have a feeling all these blackouts that happened yesterday would all be in vain and SOPA and PROTECT IP are going to pass.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-19 09:17:59  
Ramuh.Rowland said: »
Even if they do pass, we made history.
How so?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-19 09:21:05  
Cerberus.Kalyna said: »
I have a feeling all these blackouts that happened yesterday would all be in vain and SOPA and PROTECT IP are going to pass.

SOPA 'shelved' indefinitely, but Reddit's Jan. 18 blackout is still on, as PIPA fight continues

One down one more to go. For now anyway. The battle will still rage on.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-01-19 09:24:31  
Ya know, I was just thinking. You know how google got like 3-4mil petition signatures and stuff, well looking at the election results that's something like 1/32rd of the election results of 2008.

Now thinking deeper, how many of those petitioners voted in that election, let alone in 2011? Probably a small amount. Especially since Many of those are probably under 18 and/or can't vote.

I find it funny that people who didn't even vote try to get their opinion across. I think it's time to get the young generation to start voting.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2012-01-19 09:32:06  
Ramuh.Rowland said: »
Hollywood Studios, MPAA to Attempt to Neutralize SOPA Protests With Ad Campaign

The Motion Picture Association of America is looking to fight back against Wednesday’s Internet protests over SOPA with an ad campaign aiming to address “misconceptions” about the bill.
/sigh
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-19 09:32:10  
Ramuh.Rowland said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ramuh.Rowland said: »
Even if they do pass, we made history.
How so?
History
I still don't get it. It's not like a bill hasn't faced public opposition before and been scrapped. You give people an opportunity to do something from behind their desks at home and its much easier expecially when you put it right in their face and need only for them to click a button. I'm not trying to downplay the need to speak out agianst the things you feel are wrong for our country because I fully advocate that and would encourage people to do that. I just don't get why you think this particular one is so historical.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-19 09:40:14  
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Ya know, I was just thinking. You know how google got like 3-4mil petition signatures and stuff, well looking at the election results that's something like 1/32rd of the election results of 2008. Now thinking deeper, how many of those petitioners voted in that election, let alone in 2011? Probably a small amount. Especially since Many of those are probably under 18 and/or can't vote. I find it funny that people who didn't even vote try to get their opinion across. I think it's time to get the young generation to start voting.
you bring up some very interesting points. I hadn't even thought about the fact that there may be many people that signed the digital petitions that may be under the age of 18. I wonder if that group was significant or a minority.

Voting seems to be a tricky thing to get people to do but I can say its much easier to get people to see something on a site they frequent, push a button and digitally sign their name to a petition rather than register to vote and be bothered to go to a polling place to cast it. I hear complaints about certain places requiring a valid state ID as well which I don't really understand why that's an issue.

Not only is important to get people voting but also to cultivate politicians that will speak for and represent us and not just choose from what we are currently handed.
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By Sylph.Michizane 2012-01-19 09:44:40  
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Cerberus.Kalyna said: »
Ya know, I was just thinking. You know how google got like 3-4mil petition signatures and stuff, well looking at the election results that's something like 1/32rd of the election results of 2008. Now thinking deeper, how many of those petitioners voted in that election, let alone in 2011? Probably a small amount. Especially since Many of those are probably under 18 and/or can't vote. I find it funny that people who didn't even vote try to get their opinion across. I think it's time to get the young generation to start voting.
you bring up some very interesting points. I hadn't even thought about the fact that there may be many people that signed the digital petitions that may be under the age of 18. I wonder if that group was significant or a minority. Voting seems to be a tricky thing to get people to do but I can say its much easier to get people to see something on a site they frequent, push a button and digitally sign their name to a petition rather than register to vote and be bothered to go to a polling place to cast it. I hear complaints about certain places requiring a valid state ID as well which I don't really understand why that's an issue. Not only is important to get people voting but also to cultivate politicians that will speak for and represent us and not just choose from what we are currently handed.

The reason that valid state IDs is a issue is because in some states you have to pay for an ID. Which is in sence a polling tax. which is unconsitutional. Also in some states *cough*Texas*cough* You can use ur Gun licernces but not ur student ID anymore to vote.

*edit* yes i know i spell poorly...
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2012-01-19 09:52:07  
Sylph.Michizane said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Cerberus.Kalyna said: »
Ya know, I was just thinking. You know how google got like 3-4mil petition signatures and stuff, well looking at the election results that's something like 1/32rd of the election results of 2008. Now thinking deeper, how many of those petitioners voted in that election, let alone in 2011? Probably a small amount. Especially since Many of those are probably under 18 and/or can't vote. I find it funny that people who didn't even vote try to get their opinion across. I think it's time to get the young generation to start voting.
you bring up some very interesting points. I hadn't even thought about the fact that there may be many people that signed the digital petitions that may be under the age of 18. I wonder if that group was significant or a minority. Voting seems to be a tricky thing to get people to do but I can say its much easier to get people to see something on a site they frequent, push a button and digitally sign their name to a petition rather than register to vote and be bothered to go to a polling place to cast it. I hear complaints about certain places requiring a valid state ID as well which I don't really understand why that's an issue. Not only is important to get people voting but also to cultivate politicians that will speak for and represent us and not just choose from what we are currently handed.
The reason that valid state IDs is a issue is because in some states you have to pay for an ID. Which is in sence a polling tax. which is unconsitutional. Also in some states *cough*Texas*cough* You can use ur Gun licernces but not ur student ID anymore to vote. *edit* yes i know i spell poorly...
I just have to wonder how many people don't have state ID's these days.
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By Cerberus.Kalyna 2012-01-19 09:52:12  
You know, looking at the total population of USA (like 300mil), it's mind blowing that only 130mil voted and that the internet community, even though it seems huge, is only a small fraction, or so it seems.

God I feel like an ant realizing this lol.
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By Bismarck.Tragedie 2012-01-19 09:54:14  
Just a note, you may have to be 18 to vote, but you do not have to be 18 to write a letter to your elected officials and voice your opinion.
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