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[dev1047] New Battle System: Legion
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-13 09:32:20
 | 01-13-2012 05:17 AM | | Gildrein | | Community Rep |  |
| [dev1047] New Battle System: Legion
*The following content is in development. Specific details may differ from the release version.
Overview
| Legion is a new battle system intended to challenge high-level adventurers in alliances of eighteen to thirty-six combatants. Legion will feature unique battlefields in which combatants will be pitted against legions of formidable high-level notorious monsters (HNMs). Slay as many foes as possible within the thirty-minute time limit to reap a host of exciting rewards! |
Requirements
Main job of level 75 or above
Three to thirty-six participants
*On the test server, Legion battles may be conducted with only one or two participants.
Participating in Legion
Speak to Saarlan in Sauromugue Champaign (E-6) and pay the participation fee of 360,000 gil to receive the “Legion tome page” key item.
*Only one representative from your alliance need possess this key item.
With the key item in your possession, speak to Mayuyu in the same area and choose your desired battlefield and capacity (eighteen or thirty-six combatants). After your selections are confirmed, you will receive a Legion pass.
*As a single Legion pass can transport up to eighteen players, larger groups will receive two passes.
*Legion passes will be valid for five minutes (Earth time) after issuance.
Have your alliance leader trade the issued pass to the Legion Tome to enter the Legion entrance lobby.
Make sure to configure your alliance as desired before trading the pass. Should any members be lower than level 75, your alliance will be refused entry. *For groups larger than eighteen, it will be necessary to trade the extra Legion pass to the leader of your second alliance or party. *On the test server, passes will be accepted from any party or alliance member.
From the lobby, examine the Legion Portal or simply wait for the allotted time to elapse. You will be transported to the battlefield to commence the fight!
A total of three battlefields—the Halls of Skies, Earth, and Winds (names tentative)—have been implemented for the test server.
Spoils of War
Each HNM defeated will yield items and Legion points.
Items will be placed in a treasure pool to be lotted on by all participants.
Loot quality and Legion point rewards will increase the more foes you slay.
Legion points may be redeemed with Saarlan for a variety of rewards.
*Legion point exchange will be implemented at a later date.
*Equipment rewards currently implemented on the test server are placeholders and do not reflect the rewards that will be obtainable in the release version.
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| 01-16-2012 02:34 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep |  |
| Howdy everyone!
Thanks for all the feedback thus far.
I will have another post ready in just a little while to share some more information about Legion, but in the meantime I would like to share a post from Director Mizuki Ito with you which gives some insight into the new Legion content 
Mizuki Ito said: Hello! This is Director Mizuki Ito.
With the test server update, we have implemented “Legion (formerly The Last Stand)”
We have already mentioned this in the overview, but Legion is a new type of battle content that is geared towards 18-36 players with high level characters. Since it is a reserved area system, it might be easy to understand what it is if you imagine the atmosphere of Limbus.
With the large scale Legion content and the smaller scale Nyzul Isle Uncharted Region, our goal is to increase the options to you depending on how many people you have.
We added this to the test server with this recent update so that you could get an idea what kind of system Legion is as well as get a feel for the general flow of the content from beginning to end.
We will be constantly adjusting the system, meaning battle balance of course, as well as drop rates and the amount of Legion point rewards, so please let us know all of your feedback. | |
| 01-16-2012 04:48 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Alrighty, now for the promised post. Sorry it took me a bit!
I would like to apologize for the inconvenience of not being able to properly test this content due to a bug. (This has been fixed!)
Many players have requested that this content be accessible to smaller parties, but as Director Ito stated, Legion is meant for large parties. This does not mean that we do not plan on implementing new content for smaller parties. As the “Nyzul Isle Investigation” is meant for smaller parties, Legion is meant for larger parties. We hope you understand.
Quote: I understand that this content involves claimed zones, but is it possible for multiple parties to simultaneously enter the same zone?
I really hope that the tragedies of the old Dynamis and Limbus areas are not repeated.
Quote: I am genuinely happy that we are given 30 minutes for this content.
However, I would like the difficulty to be adjusted based on the number of players participating.
If one legion pass is traded, the difficulty will be set for 18 players.
If two legion passes are traded, the difficulty will be set for 18 players plus the number of additional players in the second pass (6, 12 or 18 players).
Other than that, there are no differences based on the number of players, so players will be able to enjoy the same battle content and obtain the same loot and legion points whether they have 18 players or 36.
※Although the content may be the same, it is possible for an alliance of 36 players to be able to obtain more loot, since they will be able to defeat more monsters.
Quote: I do not want items to be dropped using the lotting system! I want items to be dropped as individual rewards!
Also, since this content has a time limit, we decided that obtaining loot from treasure chests would take up too much time. There is no limit to the number of monsters that appear, so players can maximize their obtained loot by defeating more monsters within the given time.
I would like players to creatively strategize to obtain as much loot as possible in one run. | |
| 01-19-2012 04:47 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| I have returned yet again to share some additional responses to feedback in regards to the new Legion content.
Quote: Are there essentially only 2 (for 18 or 36 players) difficulty levels?
Does this mean that it would be very difficult to attempt the battle for 36 players with only 19 players?
Would it be possible to set the battle for 18 players at the easiest setting and gradually increase the difficulty for each additional player participating? I think that would be more enjoyable for the players. Quote: I think it would be best to set the lowest difficulty setting for the minimum possible number of participating players and gradually increase the difficulty for each additional player participating.
I understand that adjusting the balance would probably be difficult, but it would be great if difficulty settings for 6, 12, 18, 24, 30 and 36 players can be prepared.
In order to prevent all players from participating in this content with a 6 player party, a bonus that increases with the number of players participating can be implemented.
A special point system can be implemented, in which more bonus points are awarded when more players are participating.
In terms of efficiency, it would definitely be more efficient to participate with exactly 18 or 36 players, but it is still possible to participate in this content with fewer players, although efficiency would be sacrificed. In other words, it is not necessary to gather 36 players, and the difficulty settings will be set so that it is still possible to complete this content with 19 players.
Differences in battle strength will not affect the strength of the monsters, but instead will affect the number of monsters the party is able to defeat.
The fact that legion content is not based on completion/fail basis is the biggest difference from usual battlefields. If the enemies’ strength is changed linearly with the number of players participating, parties of 19 or 36 players would be able to defeat the same number of monsters. This would greatly alter the foundation of this content, including how loot is distributed.
Finally, the minimum number of players necessary to participate in this content is intentionally set lower than the number of players necessary to effectively participate in this content. This is because we do not want to set system limitations so that players are unable to creatively take on a very difficult challenge. I think it would be fun for players to attempt challenges such as trying to defeat only one monster with a very small party.
Quote: I apologize if this question has been asked before.
What will happen to the items in the loot pool once 30 minutes are up?
If the loot is placed at the entrance after the battle, as was the case with Limbus, the loot will remain in the loot pool, which gives players about 5 minutes to distribute the loot.
From what I can tell, it seems like players will be sent out to Sauromugue after the battle.
Actually, I was trying to test this out while soloing and failed miserably. I got demolished by turtles, snakes and wyrms... lol
This content is a continuous battle against monsters, so I’m sure there will be occasions where a monster is defeated right before time is up. I would be very disappointed if these efforts are for naught, so I would like to know how the time limit and loot distribution will actually work.
Quote: Since it seems like items are distributed through the lotting system, is this a good representation of the loot system in legion?
Less players
Pros: Less lotting competition (If 6 players are going after 1 item, there is a 16% chance of obtaining the item)
Cons: Less monsters defeated (less item drops), More responsibility for players during the battle
More players
Pros: More monsters defeated (more item drops), Less responsibility for players during the battle
Cons: More lotting competition (If 36 players are going after 1 item, there is a 2% chance of obtaining the item) | |
| 01-20-2012 05:17 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Alrighty, I have a couple answers to some questions I am seeing in this thread.
Dropped items/point items
The items you can receive via drops will differ from those that you can obtain by exchanging Legion points. Apologies if it was misconstrued from previous posts that they would be the same items. Essentially even if you lose a lotting battle to obtain an item, by participating in the battle and saving up points you can get a reward.
Cool down timer for re-entry
There is actually no cool down timer and as long as the area is free and you are in possession of the key-item needed to enter, you can repeat this content again and again.
Also, in regards to the specific questions on point acquisition, I am still checking with the development team and should have an answer pretty soon. | |
| 01-23-2012 05:28 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Heya everyone
I got word back from the development team about the point system.
It's as most have been saying, you will receive points for every monster that you defeat. Regardless of how many players are participating, everyone will receive the same amount of points and the amount gained will not change based on difficulty (18 person/ 36 person). | |
| 02-06-2012 04:01 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep |  |
| Test Server Feedback Event: Legion
Greetings everyone!
The North American Community Team will be holding their very first test server gathering, which will be used to focus test the new Legion content. Myself, Bayohne and Rukkirii will be making an appearance to join you in battle and help you get familiar with the content in a large group setting.
Please read over the below notes and the event overview before participating.
We are looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible!
Requests and things to note
Everyone is welcome to participate, even those that have not experience large scale battles.
As we would like to get feedback that is close to actual play as possible, please use the jobs and equipment that you would normally use.
※Please refrain from using equipment that you can obtain from the test server (i.e. don’t use relics if you really don’t have one)
Please participate on a level 99 job.
The Community Team will not be organizing or explaining battle strategies as we will leave this up to the players to decide.
※If there are experienced players present, allow them to lead and offer advice.
In the case we have more than 36 participants we will go into separate rooms
Event Overview
Date and Time
2/10/2012 (Friday) 6:30PM-9:00PM PST (9:30PM-12:00AM EST)
※The event will begin promptly at 7:00PM PST, so please gather and have your parties ready to go so we can move through the schedule on time.
Meeting Place
Undine (Test server)
Sauromugue Champaign (E-6)
Event Schedule
| 6:30PM: | Preparation (30 minutes)
Please make sure to prepare your equipment and establish your parties before we begin.
*The Community Team will be distributing linkshells to everyone. | | 7:00PM: | Flow Explanation & Questions (10 min.)/Strategy meeting (10 min.)
Staff explains about Legion progression and points to note | | 7:20PM: | Battle 1 (30 min.)
Tackle a Legion battle | | 7:50PM: | Feedback (10 min.)
Time for participants to post feedback, thoughts and questions on the official feedback thread | | 8:00PM: | Intermission (10 min.) | | 8:10PM: | Strategy meeting 2 (10 min.)
Reflection on first battle and reassessment of battle strategy/party setup | | 8:20PM: | Battle 2 (30 min.)
Legion battle round 2 | | 8:50PM: | Feedback 2 (10 min.)
Time for participants to post feedback, thoughts and questions on the official feedback thread | | 9:00PM: | Disband
※The Community Team will leave at 9:00PM, but everyone is free to continue to test and discuss the content afterwards. |
Points to note
We ask that you do not send tells to the members of the Community Team. When it comes to discussion, we ask that you focus on the event itself as the Community Team will not be answering any unrelated questions.
We may release videos and/or screenshots from the event, so please understand that character names may be shown in chat windows and party lists.
There may be cases the event is canceled due to unforeseeable circumstances.
If we determine that a player is impeding the flow of the event in any way or disturbing other players, that player will be warned and/or reprimanded. If it is determined that the actions are being performed that interrupt service, we will terminate the event.
Any players that do not follow staff directions and cause problems with the event will be penalized.
Feedback
Please leave feedback about the Legion system after participating.
Using the below template, please post feedback into this thread.
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Job you participated with
(Main job/support job/level)
Thoughts on content
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-Battle:
Other feedback and opinions
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| 02-07-2012 02:21 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Howdy!
I’d like to share some responses to feedback gained through the Legion event held on the Japan side as well as other feedback received.
Quote: This may be because I have gotten used to the 2nd battle, but I can defeat the first 3 HNMs in about 15 minutes. However, I feel like the 2nd stage opponents are way too strong. They are too hard and I cannot chip away at them. I would prefer battles with more exhilaration.
In addition, we will continue to make adjustments to the difficulty of the battles.
Quote: I feel that every opponent is “an NM with powerful AoE attacks and lots of HP,” which makes the content monotonous and a bit lacking in variety…
Wouldn’t it be better to make this content more exciting by adding NMs with more individuality(such as NMs with low HP, but very powerful AoE or NMs who hardly use AoE attacks, but have very high HP)?
Quote: My Valoredge automaton receives 300-400 damage from normal attacks, so this content is extremely difficult for me.
Quote: Considering that I was only able to defeat 3 monsters my last try and that the difficulty was set so that about 6 monsters can be defeated by a good player, I feel like there is basically no room for error.
Quote: I don’t want the battles to come down to the point where everyone needs to just wipe and have one person hold the monsters until they can recover.
Quote: As I expected, if you participate in this content with 36 players, it is impossible to know what is going on between the two alliances. If you move close enough to read the opponents’ battle logs, you will probably die from AoE attacks. It is very difficult to coordinate with 36 players and some adjustments are necessary.
Quote: I would like the following spec to be changed: The temporary item obtained when you defeat an elemental can only be obtained by the player who defeated the elemental.
Quote: I believe I read somewhere that if you are defeated, you can return to the lobby to recuperate, but I feel like this was never implemented. Does this refer to the fact that reraise is granted in the lotting room after you are kicked?
Even if every party member is defeated, players are not forcefully kicked from the area. Players can recuperate in the lobby, distribute loot and then leave the area.
Quote: I feel like it is very difficult to lot on items during the battle, since we are very busy during battle and some players may be dead.
Quote: I believe it is good that we are allowed a window of time to decide whether or not to enter or leave a room. However, it bothered me that the announced time remaining until entrance changes every time you enter a room. Is the time still counted even after every player has left the room?
The sooner you enter the room after receiving your legion pass, the more time you have to prepare, so we hope players are able to allocate their time easily.
※In the test server update on 2/3(Fri), we changed the time displayed in the help text for legion passes to match the countdown format of the announced remaining time.
Quote: The available time for legion passes is 5 minutes, so I have run out of time several times. Isn’t the available time for legion passes unnecessary?
Quote: I have not gotten involved much with the legion passes personally, so I may not be in a position to comment, but I am very grateful that entire alliances can warp to the area. However, if possible, I think it would be better if all 36 participants can warp to the area.
Quote: I am not sure if this is a permanent spec, but I only received 1 dropped item (Dragon Chronicles) from an NM. Unless the drops are increased, people will stop participating in this content. I feel like 3-5 drops per NM defeated would be more fitting.
Regarding the quality of loot, this is determined by chance, so players will not always receive good items, but we will be sure to make adjustments so that players are not disappointed often.
Quote: Regarding dropped loot, would it be possible to implement a system similar to Union boxes from Campaign Battles, in which a certain number of loot items, based on the number of opponents defeated, are placed in the loot pool at the end?
Also, if loot is distributed at the end, players who can only participate partway through the content cannot receive their rewards. If we allow players to distribute loot after defeating each set of monsters, the pace of battle will be ruined and players will be even further pressed for time. Placing dropped items to the loot box and distributing these items through the lot system has been tried and tested in Dynamis content, and many players asked that this system be implemented in Walk of Echoes.
With that said, we decided that this system would be best suited for Legion content, which involves many loot items. (We also used the same though process for determining how legion points are obtained.)
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We will also be implementing adjustments based on player feedback in this week’s test server update and we would like to get even more feedback from the North American led Legion event. | |
| 02-16-2012 01:31 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| To everyone that made it out to our Legion test server event, thanks so much! It was a lot of fun
We definitely hope to do it again soon, so if you missed out on last week’s event, try and come out for a future test server event!
We passed off all the feedback that you submitted and below are some comments from the development team in regards to some points we have seen mentioned.
BGM
While it might be a bit difficult to get a totally brand-new BGM in right away, it might be possible to have something similar to Moblin Maze Mongers where you can select your BGM from a list of tracks upon entry. We will be proactively looking into this.
Safe spot
We are currently adjusting the pathing range and detection range, so there will be a safe spot; however, in cases where you use the entire battlefield to fight, it may be difficult to get positioned properly. You’ll be able to recognize the spot where the monsters won’t come by looking at their behavior when their name turns yellow after a wipe.
Time interval after defeating a wave of monsters
We’ve read some comments asking to quickly spawn the next set of monsters since time is of the essence. It’s definitely possible to adjust the time; however, this will ultimately reduce the time where you can recast buffs and recover MP, so this really depends on how many requests there are for this.
As a side note, we do not have any plans of fully restoring HP/MP when the first wave is defeated.
Legion Points
There were some comments saying that 10 points for one kill is too low. The points that you receive are not a static value. The point values actually go up as you kill more enemies, starting with 10 points for 1 kill, 20 points for 2 kills, and 30 points for 3 kills. Clearing the first wave of monsters you would get 60 points and by defeating the second wave you would get a total 210 points.
As a guideline we are planning so that if you are able to defeat one wave of monsters in each of the four halls as well as the fifth hall and do this twice, you will have enough points to exchange them for an item.
As the development team works on adjusting the system and we prep for the next test server event, please continue to submit your feedback | |
| 02-21-2012 02:15 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Howdy!
I wanted to let you all know about some plans for Legion in regards to loot.
In addition to the items you can see on the test server currently, we are planning to add materials for new synthesis recipes (*) that will be added.
(Synthesis materials that were dropping were not very desirable and they have been removed.)
One more thing, in regards to various equipment stats.
There are items that we have been revamping a little bit. I don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up for game breaking stats, so please consider these slightly reworked items, but nothing that will make them into a completely different item.
*I will be letting you all know some information related to synthesis soon. | |
| 02-22-2012 01:36 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| In my previous post I mentioned what we were thinking to do in regards to a new BGM for Legion. Well, it seems like we’ve got a ton of players requesting a new jam to do battle to (I definitely understand, nothing gets me pumped more than good jams!), so I’d like to give you a bit more information on this.
It’s not a problem of whether we can or can’t make a new track; we just have a concern that the version update size would become too large. However, if there are a large amount of requests for a new BGM, we will try our best to look into methods to have one. | |
| 02-24-2012 02:09 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| I came across this exchange between Mocchi, Ito, and Fujito that I thought you might be interested in…
Ito: This is pending, but this is what we have right now in terms of equipment that we are trying to implement along with the introduction of Legion as well as the synthesis skill cap adjustments.
Mocchi: Oh snap! These stats are nuts! STR and AGI +8, attack, accuracy, subtle blow, haste +4%, DOUBLE ATTA…
Fujito: Whoa hey! We’ve just begun testing on this stuff, so there is still a high chance that the stats and values may change, so watch what you’re sayin’! Everyone, I apologize, this is still in the planning stages.
Mocchi: Right…pending. It’s pending. | |
By Quiznor 2012-01-13 09:33:28
If the rewards are worth it and the battles are actually challenging (gowai temp items),welcome back big LS's.
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-01-13 09:38:46
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-01-13 09:39:57
Cerberus, Hydra and Khimaira..
Corse, Vampyr and Dvergr in one fight, This looks like it'll be a bit of a fuster cluck
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-01-13 09:44:43
Omega and Ultima, at the same time
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By Fenrir.Crystenne 2012-01-13 09:44:47
Guys?
You've done this before - it was called Einherjar
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By Odin.Maddii 2012-01-13 09:45:24
sounds like Einherjar with abyssea elements(lobby) .
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-01-13 09:46:12
Guys?
You've done this before - it was called Einherjar
What is the point of phrasing your post like this?
By Zeyphr 2012-01-13 09:47:26
This looks promising
Wonder how SE plan to f this event up...
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By Asura.Wyattdoc 2012-01-13 09:47:49
Me personally am glad this will more than likley bring back the big ls still play again
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-13 09:49:47
Guys?
You've done this before - it was called Einherjar Sweet, now we have two Einherjar's
Thank you SE! <3 <3 <3 <3
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-01-13 09:50:54
Me personally am glad this will more than likley bring back the big ls still play again time will tell if this will be a good thing or a bad thing.
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By Bismarck.Eburo 2012-01-13 09:51:42
Now that Bismarck has dwindled to countless lowman LS's and only a handful of ones that could actually take on this kind of event..
Each HNM defeated will yield items and Legion points. Items will be placed in a treasure pool to be lotted on by all participants.Loot quality and Legion point rewards will increase the more foes you slay. Legion points may be redeemed with Saarlan for a variety of rewards.
Items will be placed in a treasure pool to be lotted on by all participants.
treasure pool
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By Bismarck.Hsieh 2012-01-13 09:52:43
I rather do Legion than VW because at least you can build ups points and not go home with a bunch of logs. Great idea SE!
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By Fenrir.Crystenne 2012-01-13 09:52:52
Guys?
You've done this before - it was called Einherjar
What is the point of phrasing your post like this?
Not to say Einherjar was bad. Far from it.
I'm just getting weary of cut and paste content at this point.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-13 09:57:00
Guys?
You've done this before - it was called Einherjar
What is the point of phrasing your post like this?
Not to say Einherjar was bad. Far from it.
I'm just getting weary of cut and paste content at this point. I'll gladly take another einherjar, that event was fun.
By Zeyphr 2012-01-13 09:59:17
Guys?
You've done this before - it was called Einherjar
What is the point of phrasing your post like this?
Not to say Einherjar was bad. Far from it.
I'm just getting weary of cut and paste content at this point.
At least there putting some effort in, we'r lucky there not just raising the level of mobs in old Einherjar.
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By Cerberus.Ultimatrunks 2012-01-13 09:59:59
It is annoying to see how people always seem to search for the worst in anything the dev team makes up.
This is no new Einherjar, in Einherjar you were bashing NQ mobs to get to the HQ ones.
Here, you seem to be fighting against ONLY HQ mobs.
What worries me, though, is the speed.
It looks like the focus is more on having a zergfest than difficult fights requiring strategy and teamwork.
Either way, SE has already created SO many things in FFXI, most of which are outdated. If they use elements of those things we once enjoyed and create new Endgame events with them, I am totally fine with that. At some point, when you thought up so many events, obviously there will always be similarities. If you look closely, they have been there in 05 already, as well. They prevail in ANY game.
Stop freaking complaining about everything. If you do not like the game, stop playing and stop annoying people with your pessimism and negative mood which does transfer to others in a way.
Not talking to anyone in particular.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-13 10:03:26
Yay something!
By Zeyphr 2012-01-13 10:03:56
Cerberus.Ultimatrunks said: »It is annoying to see how people always seem to search for the worst in anything the dev team makes up.
This is no new Einherjar, in Einherjar you were bashing NQ mobs to get to the HQ ones.
Here, you seem to be fighting against ONLY HQ mobs.
What worries me, though, is the speed.
It looks like the focus is more on having a zergfest than difficult fights requiring strategy and teamwork.
Either way, SE has already created SO many things in FFXI, most of which are outdated. If they use elements of those things we once enjoyed and create new Endgame events with them, I am totally fine with that. At some point, when you thought up so many events, obviously there will always be similarities. If you look closely, they have been there in 05 already, as well. They prevail in ANY game.
Stop freaking complaining about everything. If you do not like the game, stop playing and stop annoying people with your pessimism and negative mood which does transfer to others in a way.
Not talking to anyone in particular.
This is pretty much spot on, people need to stop QQing about stuff. SE don't have to do anything, they could just leave the game how it is and people would still be playing. At least there introducing some old school style events, and we have no info on how it will operate yet people still speculate and find problems rather than pro's that all their QQing may have actually got through to SE
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By Asura.Wyattdoc 2012-01-13 10:05:43
Im confused day in day out some of you complain about not being able to do low man ***so SE gives you Abyssea then complaints come that its to easy and the old content was better so SE starts a system to make you use big parties again to get it dun, and we proceed to complain about drop rate and ppl getting gear and not being able to pool it and how old content was better now SE revamps a part of old content that is going to require team work and and and treasured pool and ppl still complain i for one have watched all the changes threw the years and yes SE has screwed some ***up but damn people its never going to be a perfect system. You can either enjoy the game as it is or move the hell on!!!
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2012-01-13 10:06:20
This one looks pretty cool, I gotta say.
It's like Einherjar, but without the BS monsters at the start. You get right to the meat of the fight! :)
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2012-01-13 10:07:44
Cerberus.Ultimatrunks said: »It is annoying to see how people always seem to search for the worst in anything the dev team makes up.
This is no new Einherjar, in Einherjar you were bashing NQ mobs to get to the HQ ones.
Here, you seem to be fighting against ONLY HQ mobs.
What worries me, though, is the speed.
It looks like the focus is more on having a zergfest than difficult fights requiring strategy and teamwork.
Either way, SE has already created SO many things in FFXI, most of which are outdated. If they use elements of those things we once enjoyed and create new Endgame events with them, I am totally fine with that. At some point, when you thought up so many events, obviously there will always be similarities. If you look closely, they have been there in 05 already, as well. They prevail in ANY game.
Stop freaking complaining about everything. If you do not like the game, stop playing and stop annoying people with your pessimism and negative mood which does transfer to others in a way.
Not talking to anyone in particular.
Agreed
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By Carbuncle.Rasalgethi 2012-01-13 10:07:52
I love
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By Diabolos.Prodigy 2012-01-13 10:08:58
YES
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-01-13 10:10:58
I really don't want to communicate with any of you I just want to post some because only my own opinion really matters to me so I will just type what I think without regards to anyone reading it because if I cared one bit about any of you bothering to read my verbal abortion I would make some attempt to put some sort of discernable order to my wall of text and quite possibly one bit of punctuation besides the errant random comma and I dont use many words longer than five letters but youll probably forgive me under the assumption that (hopefully) english isnt my native tongue or otherwise I have something similar to dyslexia but that still fails to explain the gross lack of content despite the inherent verbage in my post. Cliche statement with disturbing amount of forced emotion!
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By Odin.Almont 2012-01-13 10:11:36
Cerberus.Ultimatrunks said: »Stop freaking complaining about everything. If you do not like the game, stop playing and stop annoying people with your pessimism and negative mood which does transfer to others in a way. Not talking to anyone in particular.
Hi and welcome to an online game forum. People are always going to post opinions on updates and content. If those opinions bother you, learn to live with them, or ignore them.
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By Phoenix.Sehachan 2012-01-13 10:11:37
I would like to point out how the npc is conveniently placed in Sauro for the lazy PJ inhabitants.
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By Asura.Wyattdoc 2012-01-13 10:13:28
Get over yourself
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By Bismarck.Markas 2012-01-13 10:15:06
i mean, a big battle system with an actual treasure pool, whats not to like? last 30 vw's i have done ive gotten nothing but riftsand, tier V spells and logs, least here theres a chance to lot on something good and get some good stuff later once points are built up.
| 01-13-2012 05:17 AM | | Gildrein | | Community Rep | |
| [dev1047] New Battle System: Legion
*The following content is in development. Specific details may differ from the release version.
Overview
| Legion is a new battle system intended to challenge high-level adventurers in alliances of eighteen to thirty-six combatants. Legion will feature unique battlefields in which combatants will be pitted against legions of formidable high-level notorious monsters (HNMs). Slay as many foes as possible within the thirty-minute time limit to reap a host of exciting rewards! |
Requirements
Main job of level 75 or above
Three to thirty-six participants
*On the test server, Legion battles may be conducted with only one or two participants.
Participating in Legion
Speak to Saarlan in Sauromugue Champaign (E-6) and pay the participation fee of 360,000 gil to receive the “Legion tome page” key item.
*Only one representative from your alliance need possess this key item.
With the key item in your possession, speak to Mayuyu in the same area and choose your desired battlefield and capacity (eighteen or thirty-six combatants). After your selections are confirmed, you will receive a Legion pass.
*As a single Legion pass can transport up to eighteen players, larger groups will receive two passes.
*Legion passes will be valid for five minutes (Earth time) after issuance.
Have your alliance leader trade the issued pass to the Legion Tome to enter the Legion entrance lobby.
Make sure to configure your alliance as desired before trading the pass. Should any members be lower than level 75, your alliance will be refused entry. *For groups larger than eighteen, it will be necessary to trade the extra Legion pass to the leader of your second alliance or party. *On the test server, passes will be accepted from any party or alliance member.
From the lobby, examine the Legion Portal or simply wait for the allotted time to elapse. You will be transported to the battlefield to commence the fight!
A total of three battlefields—the Halls of Skies, Earth, and Winds (names tentative)—have been implemented for the test server.
Spoils of War
Each HNM defeated will yield items and Legion points.
Items will be placed in a treasure pool to be lotted on by all participants.
Loot quality and Legion point rewards will increase the more foes you slay.
Legion points may be redeemed with Saarlan for a variety of rewards.
*Legion point exchange will be implemented at a later date.
*Equipment rewards currently implemented on the test server are placeholders and do not reflect the rewards that will be obtainable in the release version.
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| 01-16-2012 02:34 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Howdy everyone!
Thanks for all the feedback thus far.
I will have another post ready in just a little while to share some more information about Legion, but in the meantime I would like to share a post from Director Mizuki Ito with you which gives some insight into the new Legion content
Mizuki Ito said: Hello! This is Director Mizuki Ito.
With the test server update, we have implemented “Legion (formerly The Last Stand)”
We have already mentioned this in the overview, but Legion is a new type of battle content that is geared towards 18-36 players with high level characters. Since it is a reserved area system, it might be easy to understand what it is if you imagine the atmosphere of Limbus.
With the large scale Legion content and the smaller scale Nyzul Isle Uncharted Region, our goal is to increase the options to you depending on how many people you have.
We added this to the test server with this recent update so that you could get an idea what kind of system Legion is as well as get a feel for the general flow of the content from beginning to end.
We will be constantly adjusting the system, meaning battle balance of course, as well as drop rates and the amount of Legion point rewards, so please let us know all of your feedback. | |
| 01-16-2012 04:48 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Alrighty, now for the promised post. Sorry it took me a bit!
I would like to apologize for the inconvenience of not being able to properly test this content due to a bug. (This has been fixed!)
Many players have requested that this content be accessible to smaller parties, but as Director Ito stated, Legion is meant for large parties. This does not mean that we do not plan on implementing new content for smaller parties. As the “Nyzul Isle Investigation” is meant for smaller parties, Legion is meant for larger parties. We hope you understand.
Quote: I understand that this content involves claimed zones, but is it possible for multiple parties to simultaneously enter the same zone?
I really hope that the tragedies of the old Dynamis and Limbus areas are not repeated.
Quote: I am genuinely happy that we are given 30 minutes for this content.
However, I would like the difficulty to be adjusted based on the number of players participating.
If one legion pass is traded, the difficulty will be set for 18 players.
If two legion passes are traded, the difficulty will be set for 18 players plus the number of additional players in the second pass (6, 12 or 18 players).
Other than that, there are no differences based on the number of players, so players will be able to enjoy the same battle content and obtain the same loot and legion points whether they have 18 players or 36.
※Although the content may be the same, it is possible for an alliance of 36 players to be able to obtain more loot, since they will be able to defeat more monsters.
Quote: I do not want items to be dropped using the lotting system! I want items to be dropped as individual rewards!
Also, since this content has a time limit, we decided that obtaining loot from treasure chests would take up too much time. There is no limit to the number of monsters that appear, so players can maximize their obtained loot by defeating more monsters within the given time.
I would like players to creatively strategize to obtain as much loot as possible in one run. | |
| 01-19-2012 04:47 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| I have returned yet again to share some additional responses to feedback in regards to the new Legion content.
Quote: Are there essentially only 2 (for 18 or 36 players) difficulty levels?
Does this mean that it would be very difficult to attempt the battle for 36 players with only 19 players?
Would it be possible to set the battle for 18 players at the easiest setting and gradually increase the difficulty for each additional player participating? I think that would be more enjoyable for the players. Quote: I think it would be best to set the lowest difficulty setting for the minimum possible number of participating players and gradually increase the difficulty for each additional player participating.
I understand that adjusting the balance would probably be difficult, but it would be great if difficulty settings for 6, 12, 18, 24, 30 and 36 players can be prepared.
In order to prevent all players from participating in this content with a 6 player party, a bonus that increases with the number of players participating can be implemented.
A special point system can be implemented, in which more bonus points are awarded when more players are participating.
In terms of efficiency, it would definitely be more efficient to participate with exactly 18 or 36 players, but it is still possible to participate in this content with fewer players, although efficiency would be sacrificed. In other words, it is not necessary to gather 36 players, and the difficulty settings will be set so that it is still possible to complete this content with 19 players.
Differences in battle strength will not affect the strength of the monsters, but instead will affect the number of monsters the party is able to defeat.
The fact that legion content is not based on completion/fail basis is the biggest difference from usual battlefields. If the enemies’ strength is changed linearly with the number of players participating, parties of 19 or 36 players would be able to defeat the same number of monsters. This would greatly alter the foundation of this content, including how loot is distributed.
Finally, the minimum number of players necessary to participate in this content is intentionally set lower than the number of players necessary to effectively participate in this content. This is because we do not want to set system limitations so that players are unable to creatively take on a very difficult challenge. I think it would be fun for players to attempt challenges such as trying to defeat only one monster with a very small party.
Quote: I apologize if this question has been asked before.
What will happen to the items in the loot pool once 30 minutes are up?
If the loot is placed at the entrance after the battle, as was the case with Limbus, the loot will remain in the loot pool, which gives players about 5 minutes to distribute the loot.
From what I can tell, it seems like players will be sent out to Sauromugue after the battle.
Actually, I was trying to test this out while soloing and failed miserably. I got demolished by turtles, snakes and wyrms... lol
This content is a continuous battle against monsters, so I’m sure there will be occasions where a monster is defeated right before time is up. I would be very disappointed if these efforts are for naught, so I would like to know how the time limit and loot distribution will actually work.
Quote: Since it seems like items are distributed through the lotting system, is this a good representation of the loot system in legion?
Less players
Pros: Less lotting competition (If 6 players are going after 1 item, there is a 16% chance of obtaining the item)
Cons: Less monsters defeated (less item drops), More responsibility for players during the battle
More players
Pros: More monsters defeated (more item drops), Less responsibility for players during the battle
Cons: More lotting competition (If 36 players are going after 1 item, there is a 2% chance of obtaining the item) | |
| 01-20-2012 05:17 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Alrighty, I have a couple answers to some questions I am seeing in this thread.
Dropped items/point items
The items you can receive via drops will differ from those that you can obtain by exchanging Legion points. Apologies if it was misconstrued from previous posts that they would be the same items. Essentially even if you lose a lotting battle to obtain an item, by participating in the battle and saving up points you can get a reward.
Cool down timer for re-entry
There is actually no cool down timer and as long as the area is free and you are in possession of the key-item needed to enter, you can repeat this content again and again.
Also, in regards to the specific questions on point acquisition, I am still checking with the development team and should have an answer pretty soon. | |
| 01-23-2012 05:28 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Heya everyone
I got word back from the development team about the point system.
It's as most have been saying, you will receive points for every monster that you defeat. Regardless of how many players are participating, everyone will receive the same amount of points and the amount gained will not change based on difficulty (18 person/ 36 person). | |
| 02-06-2012 04:01 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Test Server Feedback Event: Legion
Greetings everyone!
The North American Community Team will be holding their very first test server gathering, which will be used to focus test the new Legion content. Myself, Bayohne and Rukkirii will be making an appearance to join you in battle and help you get familiar with the content in a large group setting.
Please read over the below notes and the event overview before participating.
We are looking forward to seeing as many of you as possible!
Requests and things to note
Everyone is welcome to participate, even those that have not experience large scale battles.
As we would like to get feedback that is close to actual play as possible, please use the jobs and equipment that you would normally use.
※Please refrain from using equipment that you can obtain from the test server (i.e. don’t use relics if you really don’t have one)
Please participate on a level 99 job.
The Community Team will not be organizing or explaining battle strategies as we will leave this up to the players to decide.
※If there are experienced players present, allow them to lead and offer advice.
In the case we have more than 36 participants we will go into separate rooms
Event Overview
Date and Time
2/10/2012 (Friday) 6:30PM-9:00PM PST (9:30PM-12:00AM EST)
※The event will begin promptly at 7:00PM PST, so please gather and have your parties ready to go so we can move through the schedule on time.
Meeting Place
Undine (Test server)
Sauromugue Champaign (E-6)
Event Schedule
| 6:30PM: | Preparation (30 minutes)
Please make sure to prepare your equipment and establish your parties before we begin.
*The Community Team will be distributing linkshells to everyone. | | 7:00PM: | Flow Explanation & Questions (10 min.)/Strategy meeting (10 min.)
Staff explains about Legion progression and points to note | | 7:20PM: | Battle 1 (30 min.)
Tackle a Legion battle | | 7:50PM: | Feedback (10 min.)
Time for participants to post feedback, thoughts and questions on the official feedback thread | | 8:00PM: | Intermission (10 min.) | | 8:10PM: | Strategy meeting 2 (10 min.)
Reflection on first battle and reassessment of battle strategy/party setup | | 8:20PM: | Battle 2 (30 min.)
Legion battle round 2 | | 8:50PM: | Feedback 2 (10 min.)
Time for participants to post feedback, thoughts and questions on the official feedback thread | | 9:00PM: | Disband
※The Community Team will leave at 9:00PM, but everyone is free to continue to test and discuss the content afterwards. |
Points to note
We ask that you do not send tells to the members of the Community Team. When it comes to discussion, we ask that you focus on the event itself as the Community Team will not be answering any unrelated questions.
We may release videos and/or screenshots from the event, so please understand that character names may be shown in chat windows and party lists.
There may be cases the event is canceled due to unforeseeable circumstances.
If we determine that a player is impeding the flow of the event in any way or disturbing other players, that player will be warned and/or reprimanded. If it is determined that the actions are being performed that interrupt service, we will terminate the event.
Any players that do not follow staff directions and cause problems with the event will be penalized.
Feedback
Please leave feedback about the Legion system after participating.
Using the below template, please post feedback into this thread.
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Job you participated with
(Main job/support job/level)
Thoughts on content
-System:
-Battle:
Other feedback and opinions
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| 02-07-2012 02:21 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Howdy!
I’d like to share some responses to feedback gained through the Legion event held on the Japan side as well as other feedback received.
Quote: This may be because I have gotten used to the 2nd battle, but I can defeat the first 3 HNMs in about 15 minutes. However, I feel like the 2nd stage opponents are way too strong. They are too hard and I cannot chip away at them. I would prefer battles with more exhilaration.
In addition, we will continue to make adjustments to the difficulty of the battles.
Quote: I feel that every opponent is “an NM with powerful AoE attacks and lots of HP,” which makes the content monotonous and a bit lacking in variety…
Wouldn’t it be better to make this content more exciting by adding NMs with more individuality(such as NMs with low HP, but very powerful AoE or NMs who hardly use AoE attacks, but have very high HP)?
Quote: My Valoredge automaton receives 300-400 damage from normal attacks, so this content is extremely difficult for me.
Quote: Considering that I was only able to defeat 3 monsters my last try and that the difficulty was set so that about 6 monsters can be defeated by a good player, I feel like there is basically no room for error.
Quote: I don’t want the battles to come down to the point where everyone needs to just wipe and have one person hold the monsters until they can recover.
Quote: As I expected, if you participate in this content with 36 players, it is impossible to know what is going on between the two alliances. If you move close enough to read the opponents’ battle logs, you will probably die from AoE attacks. It is very difficult to coordinate with 36 players and some adjustments are necessary.
Quote: I would like the following spec to be changed: The temporary item obtained when you defeat an elemental can only be obtained by the player who defeated the elemental.
Quote: I believe I read somewhere that if you are defeated, you can return to the lobby to recuperate, but I feel like this was never implemented. Does this refer to the fact that reraise is granted in the lotting room after you are kicked?
Even if every party member is defeated, players are not forcefully kicked from the area. Players can recuperate in the lobby, distribute loot and then leave the area.
Quote: I feel like it is very difficult to lot on items during the battle, since we are very busy during battle and some players may be dead.
Quote: I believe it is good that we are allowed a window of time to decide whether or not to enter or leave a room. However, it bothered me that the announced time remaining until entrance changes every time you enter a room. Is the time still counted even after every player has left the room?
The sooner you enter the room after receiving your legion pass, the more time you have to prepare, so we hope players are able to allocate their time easily.
※In the test server update on 2/3(Fri), we changed the time displayed in the help text for legion passes to match the countdown format of the announced remaining time.
Quote: The available time for legion passes is 5 minutes, so I have run out of time several times. Isn’t the available time for legion passes unnecessary?
Quote: I have not gotten involved much with the legion passes personally, so I may not be in a position to comment, but I am very grateful that entire alliances can warp to the area. However, if possible, I think it would be better if all 36 participants can warp to the area.
Quote: I am not sure if this is a permanent spec, but I only received 1 dropped item (Dragon Chronicles) from an NM. Unless the drops are increased, people will stop participating in this content. I feel like 3-5 drops per NM defeated would be more fitting.
Regarding the quality of loot, this is determined by chance, so players will not always receive good items, but we will be sure to make adjustments so that players are not disappointed often.
Quote: Regarding dropped loot, would it be possible to implement a system similar to Union boxes from Campaign Battles, in which a certain number of loot items, based on the number of opponents defeated, are placed in the loot pool at the end?
Also, if loot is distributed at the end, players who can only participate partway through the content cannot receive their rewards. If we allow players to distribute loot after defeating each set of monsters, the pace of battle will be ruined and players will be even further pressed for time. Placing dropped items to the loot box and distributing these items through the lot system has been tried and tested in Dynamis content, and many players asked that this system be implemented in Walk of Echoes.
With that said, we decided that this system would be best suited for Legion content, which involves many loot items. (We also used the same though process for determining how legion points are obtained.)
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We will also be implementing adjustments based on player feedback in this week’s test server update and we would like to get even more feedback from the North American led Legion event. | |
| 02-16-2012 01:31 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| To everyone that made it out to our Legion test server event, thanks so much! It was a lot of fun
We definitely hope to do it again soon, so if you missed out on last week’s event, try and come out for a future test server event!
We passed off all the feedback that you submitted and below are some comments from the development team in regards to some points we have seen mentioned.
BGM
While it might be a bit difficult to get a totally brand-new BGM in right away, it might be possible to have something similar to Moblin Maze Mongers where you can select your BGM from a list of tracks upon entry. We will be proactively looking into this.
Safe spot
We are currently adjusting the pathing range and detection range, so there will be a safe spot; however, in cases where you use the entire battlefield to fight, it may be difficult to get positioned properly. You’ll be able to recognize the spot where the monsters won’t come by looking at their behavior when their name turns yellow after a wipe.
Time interval after defeating a wave of monsters
We’ve read some comments asking to quickly spawn the next set of monsters since time is of the essence. It’s definitely possible to adjust the time; however, this will ultimately reduce the time where you can recast buffs and recover MP, so this really depends on how many requests there are for this.
As a side note, we do not have any plans of fully restoring HP/MP when the first wave is defeated.
Legion Points
There were some comments saying that 10 points for one kill is too low. The points that you receive are not a static value. The point values actually go up as you kill more enemies, starting with 10 points for 1 kill, 20 points for 2 kills, and 30 points for 3 kills. Clearing the first wave of monsters you would get 60 points and by defeating the second wave you would get a total 210 points.
As a guideline we are planning so that if you are able to defeat one wave of monsters in each of the four halls as well as the fifth hall and do this twice, you will have enough points to exchange them for an item.
As the development team works on adjusting the system and we prep for the next test server event, please continue to submit your feedback | |
| 02-21-2012 02:15 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| Howdy!
I wanted to let you all know about some plans for Legion in regards to loot.
In addition to the items you can see on the test server currently, we are planning to add materials for new synthesis recipes (*) that will be added.
(Synthesis materials that were dropping were not very desirable and they have been removed.)
One more thing, in regards to various equipment stats.
There are items that we have been revamping a little bit. I don’t want to get anyone’s hopes up for game breaking stats, so please consider these slightly reworked items, but nothing that will make them into a completely different item.
*I will be letting you all know some information related to synthesis soon. | |
| 02-22-2012 01:36 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| In my previous post I mentioned what we were thinking to do in regards to a new BGM for Legion. Well, it seems like we’ve got a ton of players requesting a new jam to do battle to (I definitely understand, nothing gets me pumped more than good jams!), so I’d like to give you a bit more information on this.
It’s not a problem of whether we can or can’t make a new track; we just have a concern that the version update size would become too large. However, if there are a large amount of requests for a new BGM, we will try our best to look into methods to have one. | |
| 02-24-2012 02:09 PM | | Camate | | Community Rep | |
| I came across this exchange between Mocchi, Ito, and Fujito that I thought you might be interested in…
Ito: This is pending, but this is what we have right now in terms of equipment that we are trying to implement along with the introduction of Legion as well as the synthesis skill cap adjustments.
Mocchi: Oh snap! These stats are nuts! STR and AGI +8, attack, accuracy, subtle blow, haste +4%, DOUBLE ATTA…
Fujito: Whoa hey! We’ve just begun testing on this stuff, so there is still a high chance that the stats and values may change, so watch what you’re sayin’! Everyone, I apologize, this is still in the planning stages.
Mocchi: Right…pending. It’s pending. | |
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