[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

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 Phoenix.Dramatica
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By Phoenix.Dramatica 2012-01-13 16:45:00  
They don't stack, aftermath overwrites afterglow as well.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-13 16:50:40  
Phoenix.Dramatica said: »
Worth losing out on 3 shoha in a low pdif situation though? ***'s situational obviously, but I don't really see masamune having any advantage besides starting a fight with 300 TP. How would TP bonus compare to all this? Since you are comparing situations that shoha will beat out kaiten.


There is no reason not to keep AM up currently in game and I don't think there ever will be but if that 1% opportunity does manifest then yes Amano would be better :p

TPbonus - 2363
Masamune - 2309
Amano - 2250

So TP bonus has the highest Shoha damage but gets crushed out during melee. Its not in the ballpark of either all weapons at 99.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2012-01-13 16:55:34  
tp bonus gk still worth it?
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-13 16:57:50  
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
tp bonus gk still worth it?


Should be a very good non emp/mythic/relic weapon.
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By Phoenix.Darkzeru 2012-01-14 04:29:11  
So... Riftdross/cinder is for the stage 2?
Wonder what the stage 1 item will be. since I highly doubt I'll attempt to do stage 2....
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2012-01-14 16:39:45  
So no melee ever comes to anything on a non Empyrean/Relic job (other than to proc), or at least they shouldn't. Thus 90% of players will have aftermath up the majority of the time. So even if someone finished the afterglow effect, it would essentially be useless.

GG SE. GG.

For the amount of work that's required for the afterglow, they should give AoE EnDoom with capped haste and 50% Quintuple attack.
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By Sylph.Zohnax 2012-01-14 16:46:07  
Phoenix.Darkzeru said: »
So... Riftdross/cinder is for the stage 2?
Wonder what the stage 1 item will be. since I highly doubt I'll attempt to do stage 2....
Maybe it'll be something like kill NM x amount of times with weapon equipped. Then again, it could be a lesser amount of the items for Afterglow. Is still speculation at this point, I suppose.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2012-01-14 16:46:38  
I was just hoping for an AOE version of their aftermath.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-14 17:06:39  
So to complete stage two you need:

Relic: 300 ADL items
Mythic: 100 PW items
Emp: 2000 Riftdross

Is that correct? Just came across that from reading. Apparently the trials were updated the last test server update.

Edit: Well nvm, I see where it was posted from.

So Byrth pulled those values from the dats? That's why the test server still says the older values?
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By Bahamut.Gimpness 2012-01-14 17:12:14  
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For Aegis and Ochain, the effects activate when Shield Bash is used.

what o.O?

and what's up with ghorn/daur? O.o
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-14 17:14:29  
Bahamut.Gimpness said: »
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For Aegis and Ochain, the effects activate when Shield Bash is used.

what o.O?

and what's up with ghorn/daur? O.o
They don't get afterglow, SE already said that.
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By Bahamut.Gimpness 2012-01-14 17:17:31  
oh, I thought I saw afterglow on daur saying another extra 2 song effects... was like what o.O 5 song rotation go!?

nevuhmind
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2012-01-14 17:22:11  
FU SE D:
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By Odin.Almont 2012-01-14 17:28:04  
Any update on what the reqs for Stage I 99 trials are for each type?
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-14 17:43:49  
Odin.Almont said: »
Any update on what the reqs for Stage I 99 trials are for each type?

Stage 1:

Relic: 299 ADL items
Mythic: 99 PW items
Emp: 1999 Riftdross

Stage 2:

Relic: 300 ADL items
Mythic: 100 PW items
Emp: 2000 Riftdross

:P
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2012-01-14 17:57:55  
Stage 1 I'm gonna guess is plain old DL kills?
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By Odin.Almont 2012-01-14 17:58:36  
Aww yyyyyyyeahhhh! Under 300 ADL items!
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By Phoenix.Darkzeru 2012-01-14 18:05:14  
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Odin.Almont said: »
Any update on what the reqs for Stage I 99 trials are for each type?

Stage 1:

Relic: 299 ADL items
Mythic: 99 PW items
Emp: 1999 Riftdross

Stage 2:

Relic: 300 ADL items
Mythic: 100 PW items
Emp: 2000 Riftdross

:P
I know you are but I figured this was fitting lol

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By Phoenix.Darkzeru 2012-01-14 18:05:34  
Phoenix.Darkzeru said: »
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Odin.Almont said: »
Any update on what the reqs for Stage I 99 trials are for each type?

Stage 1:

Relic: 299 ADL items
Mythic: 99 PW items
Emp: 1999 Riftdross

Stage 2:

Relic: 300 ADL items
Mythic: 100 PW items
Emp: 2000 Riftdross

:P
I know you are but I figured this was fitting lol

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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-14 18:13:20  
lol :)
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By Bismarck.Helel 2012-01-14 18:34:50  
I honestly don't see the empyrean weapons being that hard to upgrade in comparison to relic/mythic. The reason is that both relic and mythic are restricted by timed events (i.e. you can only do dynamis 2 hours a day, and you can only turn in 10 plates for zeni once per game day). You can spam voidwatch as much as you want, and both botulus rex and ig-alima take only 5 minutes to kill each. I'm going to assume that most people will be spamming ig-alima for now. The next update will probably usher in pouches or something too.

But who cares anyway. Afterglow is lol.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-01-14 18:43:11  
Bismarck.Helel said: »
and both botulus rex and ig-alima take only 5 minutes to kill each. .

...wat?

x.x
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-01-14 18:45:17  
If a non-SMN burned Botulus Rex or Ig-Alima is taking longer than 5 minutes, it's likely just a 30 minute long wipe.
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By Valefor.Fodder 2012-01-14 18:48:10  
SE: Hey here are some Empys.
Players: Thanks these own.
Tanaka: Sorry WAR+MNK your Empy is too strong. Therefore we're balancing it.
Players: ._.
Tanaka: BUT, well I guess I'll throw you a bone. You can get about what you had before for the low low price of 1,500 Heavy Metal plates.
SE: It is regrettable.
Tanaka: Umad?
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By Fupafighters 2012-01-14 18:56:43  
I think empyrians are gonna be overpowered now lol... Since when do DD not have an empyrian in VW now... SO yes, you will be probably getting other peoples afterglow when we get there.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2012-01-14 19:04:24  
Thought I read somewhere that aftermath overwrites afterglow?
So that if you have afterglow on from a partymember, then trigger your own aftermath, the afterglow gets overwritten?

Not sure about this at all, just think I saw it somehwere.
Don't have test server to test it out myself >.<
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-14 19:04:53  
Fupafighters said: »
I think empyrians are gonna be overpowered now lol... Since when do DD not have an empyrian in VW now... SO yes, you will be probably getting other peoples afterglow when we get there.
Empyreans have always been overpowered when it comes to time/cost investment and what they are capable of dealing out.

I'm sure some people could actually make an Empyrean to 90 faster than an elemental trial to 90.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-01-14 19:05:22  
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
If a non-SMN burned Botulus Rex or Ig-Alima is taking longer than 5 minutes, it's likely just a 30 minute long wipe.

alima isn't too tough from what ive fought but rex has been terrible from the groups ive been in.

i joined a shout group knowing the leader wasn't the smartest guy in the world, but i went out on a leap of faith

2 hours later people finally arrive at the rift, i was asked to change to sam/drg, i didn't ask why, i just did it, on a leap of faith

3 hours later i get tired of dying to that damn nm and quit. go to jeuno, and another shout by a guy i KNOW to be good. Has done successful runs before. I join in and repeat the process above.

maybe I've had crap luck with this nm, maybe it's the people, but since then i have HATED this one and not been able to find a solid strategy to even kill it.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-01-14 19:08:05  
Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn said: »
Valefor.Prothescar said: »
If a non-SMN burned Botulus Rex or Ig-Alima is taking longer than 5 minutes, it's likely just a 30 minute long wipe.

alima isn't too tough from what ive fought but rex has been terrible from the groups ive been in.

i joined a shout group knowing the leader wasn't the smartest guy in the world, but i went out on a leap of faith

2 hours later people finally arrive at the rift, i was asked to change to sam/drg, i didn't ask why, i just did it, on a leap of faith

3 hours later i get tired of dying to that damn nm and quit. go to jeuno, and another shout by a guy i KNOW to be good. Has done successful runs before. I join in and repeat the process above.

maybe I've had crap luck with this nm, maybe it's the people, but since then i have HATED this one and not been able to find a solid strategy to even kill it.
That makes me sad :( I hate that crap
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