[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

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 Bahamut.Danthebk
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By Bahamut.Danthebk 2012-02-01 12:24:38  
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
People are whining because they think there is nothing in it for them, agreed but that perception is 100% wrong.

Every drop in this game is worth something to someone, weather you sell it on the AH, bazaar it, or sell the right to it. There are 1000s of relics out there which now need 5 of these new items. No one has to get screwed, just free yourself from the "oh it sucks, lets just whine about it" mentality.

Get some friends together, make a plan, and get your ADL on. The drops will be worth millions.

Actually, I would like to point out this mentality to all of the people whom do not own a relic. Get the potential shadow mantle/ring, chance at a sagasinger, and divide up the cost of the Marrow among the linkshell members.

Sure, most people can pull in 1-2 mil soloing in dynamis. But who the *** wants to do that every single day. Farm ADL instead, make a little less gil than you would have solo. And get a shot at some not completely worthless items. I'd love a shadow mantle/ring from DL, and I don't want to solo farm dynamis. Especially with how many people are selling currency right now.

The market may be empty right now, but when people that really really want their 99 are buying them at 40 mil a piece, this is a blessing for non-relic owners.
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By Ragnarok.Crunkie 2012-02-01 12:25:22  
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Hey Crunkie are all your 108 posts in this thread ;) Hurry Up I wanna see your shield done.

Not all! But like 10 maybe :)
I'm at work, I can't be money making til after! 3 more hours to go though. Then it's back to the grind.
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By Ragnarok.Unctgtg 2012-02-01 12:35:20  
What stage are you on?
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By Ragnarok.Crunkie 2012-02-01 12:42:03  
Stage 3 half way done. I need about 110 Silvers but all my items in xarca/beauc are all done. I just been busy with my daughter and work lately haven't had time to dynamis except LSE. Back to the grind today though, baby with her mom and all day to make money and farm dynamis.
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By Gilgamesh.Nynja 2012-02-01 13:07:25  
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Sure, most people can pull in 1-2 mil soloing in dynamis. But who the *** wants to do that every single day. Farm ADL instead, make a little less gil than you would have solo. And get a shot at some not completely worthless items. I'd love a shadow mantle/ring from DL, and I don't want to solo farm dynamis. Especially with how many people are selling currency right now.

I've already pointed out the shortcoming on all of ADL's drops, they are COMPLETELY WORTHLESS ITEMS. Archon's Cape is basically a Shadow mantle that, instead of annuling 5-10% of attacks directed at you, will annul (presumably) 5-10% of severe damage attacks directed at you. WONDERFUL

http://www.ffxiah.com/search/player/?owned[]=17669
Theres a list of people who own a Sagasinger.
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By Bismarck.Azagthothe 2012-02-01 13:16:17  
It's going to be interesting to see how people react when players start leaving their linkshells after they complete their relics; it's inevitable.
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By Lye 2012-02-01 13:19:24  
The best part of this thread is relic holders complaining about lack of incentive to be helped.

You assume that everyone thinks the way you do. "If there's nothing in it for me... I'm not interested."

You probably got your relic because thinking THIS way afforded you a framework by which to efficiently use your time!

Try changing your thinking and you might see the trial become easier.

***I don't actually believe you will try to help others in exchange for their help on ADL for your relic. It's more likely that you ***a wedding cake complete with bride & groom figurines. It is, however, fun to see all the boo-hoos because everyone thinks like you;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;***
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By Bahamut.Zangada 2012-02-01 13:24:39  
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The best part of this thread is relic holders complaining about lack of incentive to be helped.

You assume that everyone thinks the way you do. "If there's nothing in it for me... I'm not interested."

You probably got your relic because thinking THIS way afforded you a framework by which to efficiently use your time!

Try changing your thinking and you might see the trial become easier.

***I don't actually believe you will try to help others in exchange for their help on ADL for your relic. It's more likely that you ***a wedding cake complete with bride & groom figurines. It is, however, fun to see all the boo-hoos because everyone thinks like you;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;***

Idk what server ur on but here ppl charge for EVERYTHING, xp,r/ex, crafting and everything inbetween. So idk where u got this crazy idea we can get more then 2-3 ppl to help out of kindess.
 
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-02-01 13:28:11  
I yield between 200-270 currency solo. You can PM me if you want more specific information.
 
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By Bahamut.Danthebk 2012-02-01 13:33:28  
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Bahamut.Danthebk said: »
Sure, most people can pull in 1-2 mil soloing in dynamis.

WHOA. At the risk of derailing, what am I doing wrong? I'm lucky to break 500k.


I broke like 900k on my first time as nin/dnc. And I undercut the living ***out of everything I sell.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-02-01 13:34:23  
Sylph.Kraykray said: »
Bahamut.Danthebk said: »
Sure, most people can pull in 1-2 mil soloing in dynamis.

WHOA. At the risk of derailing, what am I doing wrong? I'm lucky to break 500k.


dat ***kray!

(sorry i had to :< )


you can msg me in-game also if you want some advice, we are on the same server :o
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By Bismarck.Recaldy 2012-02-01 13:36:37  
I get around 130 in Valk. My axe skill is terrible. Think there's something else I'm doing wrong though. <_>
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By Gilgamesh.Nynja 2012-02-01 13:37:47  
Sylph.Kraykray said: »
Bahamut.Danthebk said: »
Sure, most people can pull in 1-2 mil soloing in dynamis.

WHOA. At the risk of derailing, what am I doing wrong? I'm lucky to break 500k.

If you're solo without multibox, are you on BST? If not, thats what you're doing wrong.
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By Lye 2012-02-01 13:38:43  
@ Zangada

You're right. People charge. Why do they charge?

IN ORDER TO PROVIDE INCENTIVE INDEPENDENT OF SE!!!

Instead of falling to your knees, staring at the sky, and bemoaning SE for not putting some type of MAGICAL reward (that you DONT need, but EVERYONE that isn't you DOES need) on the monster that you want to kill, how about spending some time considering how YOU can provide incentive?
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-02-01 13:44:51  
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@ Zangada

You're right. People charge. Why do they charge?

IN ORDER TO PROVIDE INCENTIVE INDEPENDENT OF SE!!!

Instead of falling to your knees, staring at the sky, and bemoaning SE for not putting some type of MAGICAL reward (that you DONT need, but EVERYONE that isn't you DOES need) on the monster that you want to kill, how about spending some time considering how YOU can provide incentive?

you be trollins. go argue somewhere else lol.


edit- (like take it to pms or something)
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By Cerberus.Kelhor 2012-02-01 13:45:33  
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The best part of this thread is relic holders complaining about lack of incentive to be helped.

You assume that everyone thinks the way you do. "If there's nothing in it for me... I'm not interested."

Quite the opposite, really. I don't want to drag along my friends on a ridiculous grind of ADL when I'm the only one who's going to benefit. That's not how I operate, and that's why I hate, hate, HATE, this trial. It's even more galling when every other trial before it was doable with - at most - a party, and took one day of their dynamis timer, not a week+ (even in the best case scenario).

Stop ascribing motivations to people you don't even know.
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By Ragnarok.Crunkie 2012-02-01 13:48:02  
Why do people think this will take weeks? This will take three days at the most for each weapon...And you only need two parties to kill it, just find the right setup. I'll let you figure that out. Because we have it down.

Edit: Hell can be even faster than 3 days if you got enough COR mules and are lucky. Takes maybe 20-30min to farm a pop for ADL. Not like it's hard. ***was meant for 90 content.
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By Lye 2012-02-01 13:48:49  
So you want some divine entity to absolve you of the guilt you CHOOSE to feel by providing incentive for your "friends" to assist you?

How convenient for your conscience Kelhor!!!
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-02-01 13:49:57  
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Why do people think this will take weeks? This will take three days at the most for each weapon...And you only need two parties to kill it, just find the right setup. I'll let you figure that out. Because we have it down.

sure 3-4days for 1relic, are you sure when its your turn to do yours that it will only take 3-4days? or will your ls be burnt out by then and skip a few days and make you wait weeks for yours? lol.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2012-02-01 13:51:05  
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Lye said: »
The best part of this thread is relic holders complaining about lack of incentive to be helped. You assume that everyone thinks the way you do. "If there's nothing in it for me... I'm not interested."
Quite the opposite, really. I don't want to drag along my friends on a ridiculous grind of ADL when I'm the only one who's going to benefit. That's not how I operate, and that's why I hate, hate, HATE, this trial. It's even more galling when every other trial before it was doable with - at most - a party, and took one day of their dynamis timer, not a week+ (even in the best case scenario). Stop ascribing motivations to people you don't even know.

What if you got 18 people together and did enough runs to get everyone 5 of the marrows? You could distribute the marrows after all the runs. You get your relic finished (and anyone who also had relic), the non-relic people get whatever they can sell 5 marrows for. i dunno...

Ragnarok.Crunkie said: »
And you only need two parties to kill it, just find the right setup. I'll let you figure that out. Because we have it down.

Haste Ashman. Stand back. Enjoy fireworks.
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By Ragnarok.Crunkie 2012-02-01 13:51:11  
You must've missed how I explained how my LS does things. Yes we have incentives to keep people coming. And it's money. Who doesn't want more money than they would get even if they farmed their own dyna currency?

Edit: Do you even play ghaleon?
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By Gilgamesh.Nynja 2012-02-01 13:51:22  
Ragnarok.Crunkie said: »
Why do people think this will take weeks? This will take three days at the most for each weapon...And you only need two parties to kill it, just find the right setup. I'll let you figure that out. Because we have it down.

Edit: Hell can be even faster than 3 days if you got enough COR mules and are lucky. Takes maybe 20-30min to farm a pop for ADL. Not like it's hard. ***was meant for 90 content.

*trollface*
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By Cerberus.Kelhor 2012-02-01 13:55:02  
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So you want some divine entity to absolve you of the guilt you CHOOSE to feel by providing incentive for your "friends" to assist you?

I want my friends to not have to essentially forfeit millions of gil to upgrade my weapon. Is that really so crazy?

Why shouldn't I be pissed off that my path to re-completing a weapon I already finished five damn years ago forces me to punish my friends, or pay them off, to compensate?

Mine wouldn't charge, but if the argument you want to come back with is, "just compensate them for the lost gil", then stop; that's an absolutely insane game mechanic, and anyone who says with a straight face that that's okay is huffing paint.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-02-01 13:56:08  
Ragnarok.Crunkie said: »
You must've missed how I explained how my LS does things. Yes we have incentives to keep people coming. And it's money. Who doesn't want more money than they would get even if they farmed their own dyna currency?

Edit: Do you even play ghaleon?

ofc i do. and my ls can do 1~3 ADL's per run depending on luck lol. but unfortunely we have 20ish relics atm and we don't have anything to give to members since everything that goes into the "bank" goes to the next person in line for relic >.>;


edit- lol'd cuz i just realized you probably clicked my fairy profile :D
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By Lye 2012-02-01 13:57:46  
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Lye said: »
So you want some divine entity to absolve you of the guilt you CHOOSE to feel by providing incentive for your "friends" to assist you?

I want my friends to not have to essentially forfeit millions of gil to upgrade my weapon. Is that really so crazy?

Why shouldn't I be pissed off that my path to re-completing a weapon I already finished five damn years ago forces me to punish my friends, or pay them off, to compensate?

Mine wouldn't charge, but if the argument you want to come back with is, "just compensate them for the lost gil", then stop; that's an absolutely insane game mechanic, and anyone who says with a straight face that that's okay is huffing paint.

Actually, my reply would be: "5 years ago? Upon how many backs was your relic carried by then? Were you so generous then?" If you're friends time/gil means more to you than completing your "already finished weapon," then don't do it?

Never lament having a choice, even if both options suck.
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By Cerberus.Kelhor 2012-02-01 13:59:30  
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Never lament having a choice, even if both options suck.

Good point. I choose to stop feeding the troll.
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By Fairy.Ghaleon 2012-02-01 14:01:14  
Lye said: »
Cerberus.Kelhor said: »
Lye said: »
So you want some divine entity to absolve you of the guilt you CHOOSE to feel by providing incentive for your "friends" to assist you?

I want my friends to not have to essentially forfeit millions of gil to upgrade my weapon. Is that really so crazy?

Why shouldn't I be pissed off that my path to re-completing a weapon I already finished five damn years ago forces me to punish my friends, or pay them off, to compensate?

Mine wouldn't charge, but if the argument you want to come back with is, "just compensate them for the lost gil", then stop; that's an absolutely insane game mechanic, and anyone who says with a straight face that that's okay is huffing paint.

Actually, my reply would be: "5 years ago? Upon how many backs was your relic carried by then? Were you so generous then?" If you're friends time/gil means more to you than completing your "already finished weapon," then don't do it?

Never lament having a choice, even if both options suck.

back then people had "incentives" to go to dyna, Af2 and some shells even let you lot the 1st 100 piece.

honestly your logic has many holes, you should just stop now Trollin lol.
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