[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades

Having lived in Japan, I'll verify that while individual experiences may very, the culture is still more collectivist on average than NA/EU culture.

Of course, this doesn't always translate over into how people behave in games, and in general, the younger generation is less adherent to it than the current "adult" generations.

Keep in mind though that the FFXI development team is probably headed by "older" Japanese people. So, yeah.

SE: As long as people keep paying to do that, we don't care.

Jokes aside, a good way to improve these trials would be allowing players to complete them from different events, rather than forcing them to seclude themselves into just one of the multiple events available.

Some events have already been renewed and reintroduced. Allowing people to freely choose how to invest their time with the same goal in mind would at least ease the overall pressure over it imo.

As an example, in a few months, say you're bored with Salvage and Alex farming. Feel free to go do new Nyzul and such. If they could further improve and expand that concept, I would feel like I can actually enjoy the game while still aiming at an ultimate weapon.

Good point.

Also, I do keep typing Japanese/Korean. I do play with several of both and while on the surface they act similarly, there is obviously a nationalistic mindset with the Japanese that Koreans don't have to the same degree (though there's definitely one there, too).

You do know that this "MMO" was created with party/alliance as the main idea right? the only expansion in this game that was low-manable was abyssea. everything else required a big ls. with ppl who stayed until they had a certain item and then leaving.

also 2 hours a day... well tell me this.. how much do you "Already" play this game? and why cant some of that time go towards a relic. so dont compare my example of how 2hours a day(could be 3 days a week for all i care) is not casual when people play this game for 3-6 hours a day with a job. i have a job and if i care to i can play 3-6 hours. but i dont most days.

Though i agree that ADL needs more drops in his pool. like a pouch with 100 pieces. and a 1% chance on the big guy 10000 piece, or whatever you call it.

No, dropping a 10,000 piece even at a ridiculously low rate would be exceedingly ridiculous.

would give ppl a reason to go xD make it as long as coruscanti's proc rate. lol i mean ***. the lucky *** who lots that will basically have a relic... that then they can go fight ADL to final it.

Edit. but really a pouch with 10-20 100s would be plenty to persuade ppl to help.

But that's the thing. There's "just playing" and there's doing the same activity, religiously, for six months straight, two hours a day. I always play 4-5 hours a day, more or less. But I can tell you since I've started trying to work in Dynamis every day now to build another relic, it's really made me restructure the way I go about playing and planning my normal life stuff.

I have been playing this game from the beginning, more or less, and I've been playing online games since before most people had the internet at home.

I've tackled this game in about every fashion you can. I've camped HNMs in large LS'es. I've low-manned them. I've done an absolute ton of solo'ing. Every activity they've put in, I've at least done to "story" completion, if not ad nauseum.

The most fun I've always had is being able to do things as a group of 4-12 close friends. It's just the best "size" of group to keep things close and friendly and still achieve things.

Obviously this entire debate is based around people's comfort zones. And trying to coerce a large ally into doing my bidding is not something I'm really up for at this point in the game. It's far, far more enjoyable to be able to put in a lot of hard work with some close friends and achieve something in that fashion.

A pouch of 100's... /drool

Absolutely agree.

I would like it to be kills as far as my own, personal, goal is concerned. However, look at it from the broad perspective of someone who works ON the game, not TO PLAY the game.

Relics used to be make with alliance(s). Do you think you could even get 8 people together now for a fun run? Ok, maybe you and I could, but what about the other 90% of the population of this forum... What about the people who are literally just getting their first subjob today?
If i finish my apoc in a month, how much harder will it be to do attestation trials than it was the week they were released? How much harder will it be to get the trials in a year? Have you tried to do a Voidwrought shout lately vs the first month people got that far?

If you look at things from the Dev point of view... Once the few of us who can realistically amass the manpower for ADL/PW/VW(while people still need gear for it etc... VW is a worse example than the other two) the events will die. Then you'd be stuck HOPING that you could get in on a dynamis run with the 17 HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, perle geared bsts who you've been fighting with for claim for 3 weeks. I think that with the item route they can at least ensure that in the future people will always kill ADL or PW for a price. Even if they're 10 mil a pop... theres someone who will pay 50 mil to go from 95-99 (if that was my only option, i know i would).

It may not be the best thing for pleasing the masses but from the aspect of SE being a business, it makes sense that they would do it this way. If you get right down to it, I'd rather that we put up with something that is inconvienient than people running out of things to do in game and the servers closing :/

edit: it took me so long to type this at work that the conversation moved on from the point it made sense.... just to put in context.

I still think they should make the trials difficult and long, without making them ridiculous. Kills, like you said, is the best way to do it.

I get what you are saying, and agree they are doing this for business reasons. I think retention is better achieved, however, through more content (i.e. battlefields, areas, quests, missions) as opposed to weapon trials. Weapons are a means to achieve those ends and, to me, shouldn't be anymore of a time sink than they already have been.

i almost completely agree with this except 1 minor flaw. you can sell kills. and once a ls gets good enough at killing ADL they can sell multiple spots (6) per run. making a lot more gil. but i like the fact that its 5 items as well. so people who can farm gil "dyna currency,abyssea, etc" can also finish the trial as long as the price isn't crazy.

It will be a very long time before this happens.

From Camate just now, officially:

Meh. Well, in the end, SE dictates what we do to excel at our jobs.

I just feel like it's awfully hard on some people. It's got to be an annoyance and hold up other things I'd like to achieve with my playtime. But at least it's an option for me, most likely.

Some people are going to just be boned. Which really sucks. I guess they go whole-hog on Empyreans. Which may very well be stronger weapons anyhow; trying to work on both is going to be rough. =\

is that not the point? to make it a challenge? a goal worth working on... and who knows. maybe it will be easy wont ppl figure out a good strategy on adl.

i mean once abyssea started 50 items for 1 trial for a emp was hard for ppl. now its a a few hours...

Well, five is far more reasonable I suppose, though kills would still be much more ideal.

We'll see.

I've been raging hard about this and I admit it's kind of silly to do so before it's even actually released. I just don't relish the idea of something I can't get done through my own hard work. At least with Empyreans it all comes down to me.

I think 5 is very reasonable. I haven't done ADL though, so I reserve the right to change my opinion at any time :)

These are my concerns and feelings, essentially.

ADL is a ***. I think that's my biggest issue. A zone you can enter once a day for a fight you might not win because it's a douchey mob design. And most quality LS'es need to do at least 10 relics at this point.

Once a day, and in a timed area. Very little margin of error.

That's exactly the thing. Even with no errors, per se, you can still lose because the mob is just that...cheap. It's cheap mob design by the devs, honestly.

They can't find a creative way to make mobs more difficult, so they just put in pretty much instant-death-type moves or other ways to burn you.

Ramy, we need a grand Bismarck ADL alliance. :P

Shoot me a tell in-game or a PM if you're interested at some point, I can see if BTL folks would be game, though most people do their own solo runs most days we don't have ls runs, and I doubt ls would wanna factor in outside players just b/c of trying to divy up drops and stuff.

Also doing my own duo runs w/ the wife working on our own new stuff, but...well, it's a possibility. Let me know.

I'm sorry. Housecoat is what?

If an alliance if a must, then it may be difficult for most LS's not to look for outside help. EQ is the same way, most just solo/duo... but when it comes to this, who knows? Back to the big Dyna LS's of the past! xD

ADL is a luck fight. He really is a pushover until you get his clones and then it's basically luck. His moves are ridiculous I can agree with that. Especially his Terror move back to back being stunned for 1min + is rather frustrating. I don't know how many other LS are attempting this, but Profit on Ragnarok is reserving two days a week for ADL fights with our members. And yes we have beat him. And we have a ***-ton of relics to finish. I'm glad it was toned down to 5 marrows. You can easily attain 5 of these in 3-5 runs.

Well, that is encouraging.

Afraid not. I've been Ramyrez since I started FFXI. First on Seraph and then forced onto Bismarck. (Mergers are stupid. ._.)

And I was Ramirez playing various MUDs for like seven years before that...

...I've been riding this name for a long time. :x