[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades
[dev1065] Relic/Mythic/Empyrean Weapon Upgrades
Where did I say making a relic is hard? I said it's an undertaking. Comparing it to an Emp, it's a much larger one. Draylo made the supposition that Emps are more difficult than Relics (Somewhere in his broken logic, killing lv90 Abyssea mobs vs. lv75 old content mobs is a difficulty barometer.), and that's fallacious. Time, gil, and effort ratios are all higher for a relic. Relics are harder to make than Emps, but that doesn't necessitate that they are hard.
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Where did I say making a relic is hard? I said it's an undertaking. Comparing it to an Emp, it's a much larger one. Draylo made the supposition that Emps are more difficult than Relics (Somewhere in his broken logic, killing lv90 Abyssea mobs vs. lv75 old content mobs is a difficulty barometer.), and that's fallacious. Time, gil, and effort ratios are all higher for a relic. Relics are harder to make than Emps, but that doesn't necessitate that they are hard.
And your arguing for the sake of arguing. Fact. They can both be obtained easily.... so therefor they are both easy to make. if you are talking about "Solo" then still two boxing all the nms for an empy to lvl 90 will take time... and be harder than farming a relic. a relic is ep-dc mobs. so the chance of a *** and death is slight. but some nms for empys are hard for solo/duos. and time consuming to farm their pops by yourself. and dieing on the nm sets you back more.
Also voidwalker nm trials.
Don't relics take like more than two months to build?
I never said relics are "hard" to get. The arguement here is that relics take a bit more effort than empys to get. Sorry if I was not clear on that.
Although +1 synergy synths can yield some impressive profits, lets face it, its not as steady as dynamis farming. Not only are are there some bottleneck mats to get (talking from blacksmith's point of view, and am pretty sure this could go for any of the crafts) which requires camping the AH (I don't have a mule to do this for me.) but then you still have the fact that not all your synths will be HQ, and many of the NQ's you'll be lucky to break even.
VW...reliable gil maker, well thats a lot of spamming with the drop rates. Not to mention shout camping or dealing with building a VW shout.
FC, could be a viable means to make gil - and you know best since you do it. However we have several shouters here on Ragnarok that I'd have to compete with, and I sure as heck can't fell cleave by myself. I'd need a business partner at least. But, I'll yield you the point.
For me dynamis is steady and its simple. I'm in and out in 2 hours, solo, and don't need to shout. Easy.
Although +1 synergy synths can yield some impressive profits, lets face it, its not as steady as dynamis farming. Not only are are there some bottleneck mats to get (talking from blacksmith's point of view, and am pretty sure this could go for any of the crafts) which requires camping the AH (I don't have a mule to do this for me.) but then you still have the fact that not all your synths will be HQ, and many of the NQ's you'll be lucky to break even.
VW...reliable gil maker, well thats a lot of spamming with the drop rates. Not to mention shout camping or dealing with building a VW shout.
FC, could be a viable means to make gil - and you know best since you do it. However we have several shouters here on Ragnarok that I'd have to compete with, and I sure as heck can't fell cleave by myself. I'd need a business partner at least. But, I'll yield you the point.
For me dynamis is steady and its simple. I'm in and out in 2 hours, solo, and don't need to shout. Easy.
Phoenix.Fredjan said: »
Don't relics take like more than two months to build?
Could take less than 2 weeks if you have the gil
Phoenix.Fredjan said: »
Don't relics take like more than two months to build?
Yes, w/e said 30 days was crazy, unless they have several friends helping. The good solo people on here tout 250 pieces or so per run. 30 x 250 is 7500 pieces, I don't think mr gobo will build you a relic for that.
Christ, you can buy for them both, one just has more stuff to buy for and costs more gil. Simply put.
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
I never said relics are "hard" to get. The arguement here is that relics take a bit more effort than empys to get. Sorry if I was not clear on that.
Although +1 synergy synths can yield some impressive profits, lets face it, its not as steady as dynamis farming. Not only are are there some bottleneck mats to get (talking from blacksmith's point of view, and am pretty sure this could go for any of the crafts) which requires camping the AH (I don't have a mule to do this for me.) but then you still have the fact that not all your synths will be HQ, and many of the NQ's you'll be lucky to break even.
VW...reliable gil maker, well thats a lot of spamming with the drop rates. Not to mention shout camping or dealing with building a VW shout.
FC, could be a viable means to make gil - and you know best since you do it. However we have several shouters here on Ragnarok that I'd have to compete with, and I sure as heck can't fell cleave by myself. I'd need a business partner at least. But, I'll yield you the point.
For me dynamis is steady and its simple. I'm in and out in 2 hours, solo, and don't need to shout. Easy.
Although +1 synergy synths can yield some impressive profits, lets face it, its not as steady as dynamis farming. Not only are are there some bottleneck mats to get (talking from blacksmith's point of view, and am pretty sure this could go for any of the crafts) which requires camping the AH (I don't have a mule to do this for me.) but then you still have the fact that not all your synths will be HQ, and many of the NQ's you'll be lucky to break even.
VW...reliable gil maker, well thats a lot of spamming with the drop rates. Not to mention shout camping or dealing with building a VW shout.
FC, could be a viable means to make gil - and you know best since you do it. However we have several shouters here on Ragnarok that I'd have to compete with, and I sure as heck can't fell cleave by myself. I'd need a business partner at least. But, I'll yield you the point.
For me dynamis is steady and its simple. I'm in and out in 2 hours, solo, and don't need to shout. Easy.
they dont take more effort though. they just take more gil. if you didnt buy your relic/empy then a empy would be harder. because you cant "Solo" your empy to 90. but u can solo a relic.
Bahamut.Krizz said: »
Chill.
Im still wishing that SE will change the name of "Frost" to "Chill"
[+]
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
I never said relics are "hard" to get. The arguement here is that relics take a bit more effort than empys to get. Sorry if I was not clear on that.
Although +1 synergy synths can yield some impressive profits, lets face it, its not as steady as dynamis farming. Not only are are there some bottleneck mats to get (talking from blacksmith's point of view, and am pretty sure this could go for any of the crafts) which requires camping the AH (I don't have a mule to do this for me.) but then you still have the fact that not all your synths will be HQ, and many of the NQ's you'll be lucky to break even.
VW...reliable gil maker, well thats a lot of spamming with the drop rates. Not to mention shout camping or dealing with building a VW shout.
FC, could be a viable means to make gil - and you know best since you do it. However we have several shouters here on Ragnarok that I'd have to compete with, and I sure as heck can't fell cleave by myself. I'd need a business partner at least. But, I'll yield you the point.
For me dynamis is steady and its simple. I'm in and out in 2 hours, solo, and don't need to shout. Easy.
Although +1 synergy synths can yield some impressive profits, lets face it, its not as steady as dynamis farming. Not only are are there some bottleneck mats to get (talking from blacksmith's point of view, and am pretty sure this could go for any of the crafts) which requires camping the AH (I don't have a mule to do this for me.) but then you still have the fact that not all your synths will be HQ, and many of the NQ's you'll be lucky to break even.
VW...reliable gil maker, well thats a lot of spamming with the drop rates. Not to mention shout camping or dealing with building a VW shout.
FC, could be a viable means to make gil - and you know best since you do it. However we have several shouters here on Ragnarok that I'd have to compete with, and I sure as heck can't fell cleave by myself. I'd need a business partner at least. But, I'll yield you the point.
For me dynamis is steady and its simple. I'm in and out in 2 hours, solo, and don't need to shout. Easy.
they dont take more effort though. they just take more gil. if you didnt buy your relic/empy then a empy would be harder. because you cant "Solo" your empy to 90. but u can solo a relic.
I dunno, I think a talented person could certainly solo an empy to 90. I'm thinking BST :D
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Where did I say making a relic is hard? I said it's an undertaking. Comparing it to an Emp, it's a much larger one. Draylo made the supposition that Emps are more difficult than Relics (Somewhere in his broken logic, killing lv90 Abyssea mobs vs. lv75 old content mobs is a difficulty barometer.), and that's fallacious. Time, gil, and effort ratios are all higher for a relic. Relics are harder to make than Emps, but that doesn't necessitate that they are hard.
I said nothing like that.
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
I never said relics are "hard" to get. The arguement here is that relics take a bit more effort than empys to get. Sorry if I was not clear on that.
Although +1 synergy synths can yield some impressive profits, lets face it, its not as steady as dynamis farming. Not only are are there some bottleneck mats to get (talking from blacksmith's point of view, and am pretty sure this could go for any of the crafts) which requires camping the AH (I don't have a mule to do this for me.) but then you still have the fact that not all your synths will be HQ, and many of the NQ's you'll be lucky to break even.
VW...reliable gil maker, well thats a lot of spamming with the drop rates. Not to mention shout camping or dealing with building a VW shout.
FC, could be a viable means to make gil - and you know best since you do it. However we have several shouters here on Ragnarok that I'd have to compete with, and I sure as heck can't fell cleave by myself. I'd need a business partner at least. But, I'll yield you the point.
For me dynamis is steady and its simple. I'm in and out in 2 hours, solo, and don't need to shout. Easy.
Although +1 synergy synths can yield some impressive profits, lets face it, its not as steady as dynamis farming. Not only are are there some bottleneck mats to get (talking from blacksmith's point of view, and am pretty sure this could go for any of the crafts) which requires camping the AH (I don't have a mule to do this for me.) but then you still have the fact that not all your synths will be HQ, and many of the NQ's you'll be lucky to break even.
VW...reliable gil maker, well thats a lot of spamming with the drop rates. Not to mention shout camping or dealing with building a VW shout.
FC, could be a viable means to make gil - and you know best since you do it. However we have several shouters here on Ragnarok that I'd have to compete with, and I sure as heck can't fell cleave by myself. I'd need a business partner at least. But, I'll yield you the point.
For me dynamis is steady and its simple. I'm in and out in 2 hours, solo, and don't need to shout. Easy.
they dont take more effort though. they just take more gil. if you didnt buy your relic/empy then a empy would be harder. because you cant "Solo" your empy to 90. but u can solo a relic.
I dunno, I think a talented person could certainly solo an empy to 90. I'm thinking BST :D
Theres some bst could solo to 90, i know farsha can. Id have to look into the rest to know exctally all that could be done.
Josiahkf said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
I dunno, I think a talented person could certainly solo an empy to 90. I'm thinking BST :D
But this is a moot point now, since the cap is no longer 80, and hasn't been for a very long time. My memory is also fuzzy but for a while after abyssea came out you'd be hard pressed to solo a relic in the old style dynamis at level cap 80.
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Cerberus.Tikal said: »
Where did I say making a relic is hard? I said it's an undertaking. Comparing it to an Emp, it's a much larger one. Draylo made the supposition that Emps are more difficult than Relics (Somewhere in his broken logic, killing lv90 Abyssea mobs vs. lv75 old content mobs is a difficulty barometer.), and that's fallacious. Time, gil, and effort ratios are all higher for a relic. Relics are harder to make than Emps, but that doesn't necessitate that they are hard.
I said nothing like that.
Leviathan.Draylo said: »
Harder? The only thing relics really require is gil.. unless you honestly consider the small time NMs as a challenge? At least for empyreans you have to kill NMs a lot of times. Relics are only limited by the players pocket and servers currency supply.
I was correcting Emanuelle, because it said "hardest" ^^
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Josiahkf said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
I dunno, I think a talented person could certainly solo an empy to 90. I'm thinking BST :D
But this is a moot point now, since the cap is no longer 80, and hasn't been for a very long time. My memory is also fuzzy but for a while after abyssea came out you'd be hard pressed to solo a relic in the old style dynamis at level cap 80.
also yes a bst can solo some (idk if all, doubt ochain) to 90. anyone can solo in dynamis. which means you have to have bst lvld with all its pdt gear. so the average player or one without bet will have a very hard time soloing their empy to 90. if they even can. while anyone can kill ep-dc mobs in dynamis for currency.
:)
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Josiahkf said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
I dunno, I think a talented person could certainly solo an empy to 90. I'm thinking BST :D
But this is a moot point now, since the cap is no longer 80, and hasn't been for a very long time. My memory is also fuzzy but for a while after abyssea came out you'd be hard pressed to solo a relic in the old style dynamis at level cap 80.
also yes a bst can solo some (idk if all, doubt ochain) to 90. anyone can solo in dynamis. which means you have to have bst lvld with all its pdt gear. so the average player or one without bet will have a very hard time soloing their empy to 90. if they even can. while anyone can kill ep-dc mobs in dynamis for currency.
:)
Ok sorry was hard to read that. >.<
Can you restate - not trying to be a grammar nazi, just honestly had a tough time understanding your point.
Uh, go kill Arch Dynamis Lord or Pandemonium Warden hundreds of time?
At *LEAST* people care to do Voidwatch DAILY, Every HOUR.
How many people do Arch Dynamis Lord 300-500 times? How many people would dedicate 300-500 days to it? Yet again another year, maybe two in Dynamis?
In Mythic perspective P.W. 300-500 times? lol.
Empyreans don't shine a candle to "hardest" if anything, that's the "throw gil" at it weapon. Why invest months, and years of dedication to something when you can get it from merc groups that live in Abyssea? Then all you can really cry about it getting plates for 100-110k a pop, and hunting riftdross/cinder which is at the very LEAST out there for 500k-1,000,000.
How many Umbral Marrows have you seen? One? lol
Give me a break.
At *LEAST* people care to do Voidwatch DAILY, Every HOUR.
How many people do Arch Dynamis Lord 300-500 times? How many people would dedicate 300-500 days to it? Yet again another year, maybe two in Dynamis?
In Mythic perspective P.W. 300-500 times? lol.
Empyreans don't shine a candle to "hardest" if anything, that's the "throw gil" at it weapon. Why invest months, and years of dedication to something when you can get it from merc groups that live in Abyssea? Then all you can really cry about it getting plates for 100-110k a pop, and hunting riftdross/cinder which is at the very LEAST out there for 500k-1,000,000.
How many Umbral Marrows have you seen? One? lol
Give me a break.
Josiahkf said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Ok sorry was hard to read that. >.<
Can you restate - not trying to be a grammar nazi, just honestly had a tough time understanding your point.
Can you restate - not trying to be a grammar nazi, just honestly had a tough time understanding your point.
Lol guess I don't speak either duck or rabbit - but I am being sincere that I couldn't fully understand the point of the post.
Ragnarok.Amador said: »
Uh, go kill Arch Dynamis Lord or Pandemonium Warden hundreds of time?
At *LEAST* people care to do Voidwatch DAILY, Every HOUR.
How many people do Arch Dynamis Lord 300-500 times? How many people would dedicate 300-500 days to it? Yet again another year, maybe two in Dynamis?
In Mythic perspective P.W. 300-500 times? lol.
Empyreans don't shine a candle to "hardest" if anything, that's the "throw gil" at it weapon. Why invest months, and years of dedication to something when you can get it from merc groups that live in Abyssea? Then all you can really cry about it getting plates for 100-110k a pop, and hunting riftdross/cinder which is at the very LEAST out there for 500k-1,000,000.
How many Umbral Marrows have you seen? One? lol
Give me a break.
At *LEAST* people care to do Voidwatch DAILY, Every HOUR.
How many people do Arch Dynamis Lord 300-500 times? How many people would dedicate 300-500 days to it? Yet again another year, maybe two in Dynamis?
In Mythic perspective P.W. 300-500 times? lol.
Empyreans don't shine a candle to "hardest" if anything, that's the "throw gil" at it weapon. Why invest months, and years of dedication to something when you can get it from merc groups that live in Abyssea? Then all you can really cry about it getting plates for 100-110k a pop, and hunting riftdross/cinder which is at the very LEAST out there for 500k-1,000,000.
How many Umbral Marrows have you seen? One? lol
Give me a break.
Well anyways I'm going to retire from this thread for a bit before I get krizz'ed again. xD
I just finished dynamis so figuring out what to do next!
I just finished dynamis so figuring out what to do next!
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Leviathan.Phenomena said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Josiahkf said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
I dunno, I think a talented person could certainly solo an empy to 90. I'm thinking BST :D
But this is a moot point now, since the cap is no longer 80, and hasn't been for a very long time. My memory is also fuzzy but for a while after abyssea came out you'd be hard pressed to solo a relic in the old style dynamis at level cap 80.
also yes a bst can solo some (idk if all, doubt ochain) to 90. anyone can solo in dynamis. which means you have to have bst lvld with all its pdt gear. so the average player or one without bet will have a very hard time soloing their empy to 90. if they even can. while anyone can kill ep-dc mobs in dynamis for currency.
:)
Ok sorry was hard to read that. >.<
Can you restate - not trying to be a grammar nazi, just honestly had a tough time understanding your point.
Yes i can, sorry. Mac was annoying me with all its auto-corrects.
Yes BST can solo some empy weapons to 90 (I don't know if they can solo all. So by what you say, You have to have BST lvld and with good gear ( They need PDT armor for their pets) to solo an EMPY.
But anyone can solo inside of dynamis because its not difficult to and you don't need a certain job to. and like you have already stated. you jump in, Farm for 2 hours, Then jump out. its simple. yes it will take you months to get the currency.
But most will have a terrible time soloing a EMP weapon. and even more will not even be able to complete one because they don't have the skill or the jobs.
So if your talking about soloing a relic/emp. then i say a emp is harder if not impossible for some ppl.
and low man requires some skill for a emp while low manning dynamis is easy. And I'm not saying that it takes much skill to be able to low man a emp to 90.. but some of those ppl playing atm... lol
Josiahkf said: »
Ragnarok.Harpunnik said: »
Ok sorry was hard to read that. >.<
Can you restate - not trying to be a grammar nazi, just honestly had a tough time understanding your point.
Can you restate - not trying to be a grammar nazi, just honestly had a tough time understanding your point.
lol. and i took no offense from his post. i know it was poorly written. xD
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