Lv.99 MNK TP Set

Im sorry im a little confused what you mean. That DPS formula from Latifah post was used to calculate DPS for weapons for many years at many sites. Its for example at ffxiclopedia, bgwiki and ffxiah.

Doesn't mean it's a good way to find exactly how good a weapon is.

Spharai is not the best weapon a Monk can use.
Verethragna is not the best weapon a Monk can use.
Glanzfaust(No one ever mentions this at all :( ) is not the best weapon a Monk can use.

Each weapon has it's appropriate time to be used, and none are the best for everything. I will say vereth is garbage for events where it's aftermath can't be fully utilized though, such as dynamis farming.

Twitch probably wins parses against your ukon and verth's becuase he plays attentively. Paying attention, and quick reflexes/timing is the number one largest factor in true damage output. As far as your orthus thing goes I am tad confused though, Spharai if using Gnarled Horn adds nothing via extra counters, and with Sanguine Scythe still only raises counter from 72 >80 before accuracy checks. As I have both Spharai and Verethragna, I can tell you with 100% certainty that in Abyssea Vereth ALWAYS wins over Spharai.

With all that being said neither Spharai nor Vereth are hard to acquire, people need to stop bickering about which is better and just make them both.

Why is this ignoramus not topic-banned yet.

Its obviously not to check how good the weapon is overall but to check base weapon DPS and nothing else. Simple "no" to his/her post is kinda misleading.

If you want to know exact comparison you will use full dmg formula but there is nothing wrong with using this simple weapon's DPS calculation to get some base idea about it.

So you think Apoc is almost twice as good as Spharai?

It is :D

Now Im really confused

Apoc 167*60/513 = 19.5
Spharai 206*60/566 = 21.83


I need to go sleep :/ Will answer tomorrow if you post something more

lol, didn't realize AH didn't double for H2H.

So then you think Spharai is automatically better than Apoc?

Or Annihilator is half as good as Yoichi?

Its not autmatically better it just gives you a rough idea how much h2h DPS is better than other weapons. Its actually more when you start adding other factors like fSTR, kick attacks, usual /war for DRK vs usual /sam for DRK (at least outside VW). You can pretty fast get the idea that h2h white dmg will win pretty easy with lets say scythe.

Which is exactly why it's a bad way to determine overall DPS.

Thats almost trolling XD

You know you should count in ammo dmg and delay too and they will be VERY close then and yoichi being a little weaker because its RNG and SAM relic (which is another proof of what im posting below)

Btw there is another proof that this kind of calculation is pretty important. Im 99.9999% sure its used by SE to determine the balance between weapons. Try to check most relics DPS liek that and they will all be very close ( beside h2h). Check Spharai vs Veret its almost ideally balanced to be the same after adding kick attacks and fSTR. Check other empyreans and relics of the same type. When some has higher delay it has higher dmg so DPS (calculated with this simple formula) will be as close as possible.

Now Im really going to sleep.

I have just tried to read my post and Im pretty sure i need to go sleep because now I'm writing even worse than normal which is kinda hard. nn

Isn't that a waste. I'm sure each weapon is situational but do you really need all 3? I guess someone has a) really good friends or b) no friends. Drives me crazy when I see empy/relic/mythic users of the same weapon class(exceptions to brd/pld) . I'd rather help a good friend get his weapon. At the end of the day if you have empy/relic/mythic you are in the top tier of that class.

Having x/y/z doesn't make you ***at anything.

I'd rather have all three and *** what anyone else says.

Use a condom Austar. People can say some dirty things...

I have half the urge to change a picture of Shiva (the hindu god, not the avatar), and give her SAM af, a mythic, relic, empyrean, and a random other gkt.

But I'm lazy.

Probably seen most of it :( I get some stupid PMs

lmfao! i read that as "I get some stupid P M S" >.> but thats neither here nor there... =/

Do you have a running tally of how many times you've gotten the good ol' "*** or gtfo"? Or are the players on these forums generally more mature than that?

Using Mot's sheets etc.


99Vere / Spharai
Qilin
RCB/Zerk/Aggressor/Focus/Dia2/Chaos/March1-2/Haste/Bravers/Boost-str
Optimal and unobtainable gear for both
No impetus

99Ragnarok/Apoc
Qilin
RCB/Zerk/Aggressor/LastResort/Dia2/Chaos/March1-2/Haste/Bravers/Boost-STR
Optimal/unobtainable gear for both
No Souleater

99Ukon/Bravura
Qilin
RCB/Zerk/Aggressor/Hasso/Dia2/Chaos/March1-2/Haste/Restraint/Bravers/Boost-str
Optimal/unobtainable gear for both
No Blood Rage

99Amano / Masa
same stuff yada yada

Rag/Apoc and Ukon/Brav are both pretty surprising for different reasons. Ukon having such a lead over Bravura without BR and Apoc doing so well without SE.. Interesting.

Yes, and not really.

question about the amano/masa. Does that take into account amanos OD 2.5? x damage? Also both weapons using shoha?

i'm still waiting for you to post a better way to calculate dps, but you have been posting crap since 2 pages ago or something with no information, just stop , i think you are doing it on purpose to get post counts. Because you lurk on every single thread on this website and post crap like a spam bot

Same ***different job. If I wanted post counts, I'd spam random thoughts thread. I'm sorry you think that is important or makes you cool, but it's not and it doesn't.

(except ludoggy, he's cool)

I think they're talking about the difference between calculating the damage of the weapon - like what you see in wikis - and calculating the damage of a weapon when paired with gear, food, buffs, vs specific mobs.

He's just buttdevasted his DPS formula has no real bearing at all for determining the validity of a weapon.

yes

You can't really test 2 different weapons on 2 different people. Like Diasetsu said, maybe Twitch has quicker relexes then the other players, uses buffs when he needs to etc so he is always ontop of his game when fighting. You have to take into account all of this, because if the other person is not buffing at the same time and is leaving them down for awhile before using them then that is a huge advantage. Where as math on the other hand, makes the use of both weapons with the best gear/max buffs possible.

There is no real winner for Spharai vs Vere, because they are both as good as each other in different aspects of the game.