Lv.99 MNK TP Set
lv.99 MNK TP set
Guess you were posting when I posted.
Sylph.Peldin said: »
Guess you were posting when I posted.
Yeah I was. That's why I just +'1d your post :) I'll just swap earring out depending on need. Thanks for bringing that up :)
It's in this forum somewhere... that Tantra Earring is best when attack is capped. Either that or I'm smoking crack from moon rocks.
Yeah tantra earring best when capped attack, looked over it.
are these better than tantra or usukane for tp set?
I had +5STR on an earlier aug, but those had only +2 dbl.atk... figured for a tp set, i wouldn't really need the STR as much as an extra Dbl.Atk.
Too much damage lost from kick attacks probably. Although I didn't do the math. DA+3 and KA+3 sounds pretty hawt though for TP gain.
Bahamut.Meaikidou said: »
are these better than tantra or usukane for tp set?
I had +5STR on an earlier aug, but those had only +2 dbl.atk... figured for a tp set, i wouldn't really need the STR as much as an extra Dbl.Atk.
Did play around much but showing about 2% behind tantra+2
Out of curiosity, where do you guys get your numbers for how to best gear your MNK? I'm a noob MNK trying to sort out some inconsistencies with recommendations.
Cerberus.Taint said: »
google "google docs FFXI"
I was seeing 5/5 Thaumas win under some circumstances but I figured out my mistake. When attack is capped (naively implying to use the capped-att set) but accuracy isn't, the standard recommended capped attack set falls far behind Thaumas 5/5, but in such low accuracy scenarios, a proper accuracy set kills 5/5 Thaumas anyway so I'm all clear now. (ie, 5/5 Thaumas is never appropriate).
I like Tantra Tathlum over Hagneia stone. 1 less att, but acc+6 seems to me benefits an Impetus up build in the long run than 1 attack.
Fenrir.Kut said: »
Yeah tantra earring best when capped attack, looked over it.
I've found that a crit. hit rate +1 augmented light earring slightly edges out against Tantra Earring in almost all attack capped situations.
Edit: Also if your dDEX isn't capped you can use a dex+3/4 earring depending on how much you need to gain one crit rate from your DEX stat. The augmented earring is usually always better though.
Shiva.Brunwulf said: »
I like Tantra Tathlum over Hagneia stone. 1 less att, but acc+6 seems to me benefits an Impetus up build in the long run than 1 attack.
Depending on what you're fighting and what food you're using you should be accuracy capped most of the time. Hagneia stone on MNK is more used for the Store TP aspect since the ACC from the tathlum really shouldn't matter.
Shiva.Pheare said: »
If I remember correctly (before I deactivated). My attack was higher (when buffs were up; food or zerk (or both)) with that combo and had 1 more stp as well + some acc
Only thing I ever MNK for anymore is ADL, Arch Omega/Ultima, and VW so I can see that. Red Curreh boons!
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
If I remember correctly (before I deactivated). My attack was higher (when buffs were up; food or zerk (or both)) with that combo and had 1 more stp as well + some acc
After running the numbers with just changing those two things I've found the Hagneia/Thaumas just edges out the Brisk/Potestas by about 4.3 DPS. This is in a full buffs up situation like you asked.
I finally finished my uncapped attack TP set today. Plan for MNK is to get some Myrmex Mittens, then all resources go toward getting Vere to 95 =)
For anyone who cares:
Yes I know, Hagneia Stone is better on spreadsheet. It's not better in practice though, so I'm not dropping 3 mil on it.
Side note - Vijara, if you're going to compare 2 sets, you should at least compare the same two sets that Tigerwoods was comparing, if you're going to quote him. Also, not sure what numbers you're running, but there's no way that Thaumas hat is going to be better for TP when it drops you below haste cap. Or maybe you just typo'd?
For anyone who cares:
Yes I know, Hagneia Stone is better on spreadsheet. It's not better in practice though, so I'm not dropping 3 mil on it.
Side note - Vijara, if you're going to compare 2 sets, you should at least compare the same two sets that Tigerwoods was comparing, if you're going to quote him. Also, not sure what numbers you're running, but there's no way that Thaumas hat is going to be better for TP when it drops you below haste cap. Or maybe you just typo'd?
Sylph.Peldin said: »
Also, not sure what numbers you're running, but there's no way that Thaumas hat is going to be better for TP when it drops you below haste cap. Or maybe you just typo'd?
This is incorrect. If you have Nomkahpha Mittens, which if you're not willing to spend 3M on Hagneia Stone, I doubt you have, it adds 3% haste. 25% haste with 3 double attack and the stats from Thaumas Hat will ALWAYS beat Ganesha's Mask's 4% attack in an attack capped situation which is what we were referencing. Just because you're not capped haste, doesn't mean it's not better.
This is the first time you've mentioned Nomkahpa that I noticed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Also, dropping 3 mil on Hagneia, when it's a downgrade MOST of the time is just wasteful spending (I don't play Samurai and I don't know of any other job it's useful for), where as Nomkahpa Mittens are actually a big upgrade to TP for more than just one job. So I would definitely throw down 13 mil on them before 3 mil on Hagneia.
Also, dropping 3 mil on Hagneia, when it's a downgrade MOST of the time is just wasteful spending (I don't play Samurai and I don't know of any other job it's useful for), where as Nomkahpa Mittens are actually a big upgrade to TP for more than just one job. So I would definitely throw down 13 mil on them before 3 mil on Hagneia.
Vijara said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
If I remember correctly (before I deactivated). My attack was higher (when buffs were up; food or zerk (or both)) with that combo and had 1 more stp as well + some acc
After running the numbers with just changing those two things I've found the Hagneia/Thaumas just edges out the Brisk/Potestas by about 4.3 DPS. This is in a full buffs up situation like you asked.
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
If I remember correctly (before I deactivated). My attack was higher (when buffs were up; food or zerk (or both)) with that combo and had 1 more stp as well + some acc
Sorry I got confused by that sentence because you were talking about your buffs being on.
But after punching in the brisk/potestas combo vs ganesha/hagneia, I cannot find a situation where the brisk mask and potestas bomblet wins, buffs down or up. Even against fodder mobs ganesha/hagneia still ranks 0.9DPS higher. To be honest though these numbers are going to be different for everyone because not everyone uses the ideal sets. I know the reason hagneia wins for me is because I only need one more store TP in my ammo slot in order to lower getting to 100 TP with one less attack.
hmm from my in game testing, which I can't duplicate anymore. My attack was just plain higher with brisk/pot, so even not needing all the stp on brisk was still better off.
I'll have to redo it when I get back on but basically I was getting higher attack and higher stp lol
I'll have to redo it when I get back on but basically I was getting higher attack and higher stp lol
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
hmm from my in game testing, which I can't duplicate anymore. My attack was just plain higher with brisk/pot, so even not needing all the stp on brisk was still better off.
I'll have to redo it when I get back on but basically I was getting higher attack and higher stp lol
I'll have to redo it when I get back on but basically I was getting higher attack and higher stp lol
Ganesha/Hagneia: 813 Attack
Potestas/Brisk: 808 Attack
This is with my TP set though. The one extra store TP from the brisk mask is completely worthless to me because the Hagneia stone provides the correct amount required. Like I said everyone's is different though and that can produce different results. Also, these numbers are with a RCB on.
Ah, fair enough. Still close enough to where I'd have no desire to go out and get a Ganesha + drop money on a Hagneia when I already have the other combo.
Vijara said: »
Sylph.Tigerwoods said: »
hmm from my in game testing, which I can't duplicate anymore. My attack was just plain higher with brisk/pot, so even not needing all the stp on brisk was still better off.
I'll have to redo it when I get back on but basically I was getting higher attack and higher stp lol
I'll have to redo it when I get back on but basically I was getting higher attack and higher stp lol
Ganesha/Hagneia: 813 Attack
Potestas/Brisk: 808 Attack
This is with my TP set though. The one extra store TP from the brisk mask is completely worthless to me because the Hagneia stone provides the correct amount required. Like I said everyone's is different though and that can produce different results. Also, these numbers are with a RCB on.
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Berserk and/or Stalwart's will make Potestas/Brisk have higher attack.
With Berserk and Stalwart's 99% of the time you're using Thaumas Hat.
You don't always have stalwarts, and you're not always capped attack, even with both. With even just one of berserk or stalwarts, brisk+potestas gives more attack thane ganesha's+hagneia.
Better question, why are you using black belt in VW? Windbuffet or even twilight if you need to make accuracy sacrifices.
Valiant lattitude puts you at 25 gear haste with martial arts and capped magic haste you are styling. I think i remember only needing 23.xx something gear haste to cap with martial arts so... Regardless high buff, windbuffet ftw
Valiant lattitude puts you at 25 gear haste with martial arts and capped magic haste you are styling. I think i remember only needing 23.xx something gear haste to cap with martial arts so... Regardless high buff, windbuffet ftw
Kyler said: »
Valiant lattitude puts you at 25 gear haste with martial arts and capped magic haste you are styling. I think i remember only needing 23.xx something gear haste to cap with martial arts so... Regardless high buff, windbuffet ftw
I can't express how wrong this is.
First, you shouldn't be using Valiant as one of your atmacites on MNK. The best atmacites I've found to be are Dark Designs, Deluges, and Latitude. Second, if you're using Verethragna, you cannot hit the hard haste cap. Even with 26% gear haste you cannot hit the 80% delay reduction cap. This in turn makes replacing Black Belt with Windbuffet Belt is an extremely bad choice. Frankly, everything about your voidwatch set screams doing it wrong.
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