[dev1063] Job Adjustments: Warrior

I can agree with this a bit.

Example in WoW, DPS (Damage per second) progression for Warrior as I've seen it so far

Lv30 - 200 DPS?
Lv65 - 1500 DPS
Lv70-80 - ???
Lv85 - 25,000 DPS

Yeah yeah, different game, but this is just an example.

game balance takes a lot more into account that many people give the developers credit for...

they dont just pull nerfs/buffs out of a hat and decide to watch every war out there *** and moan about a nerf.

taking another example, starcraft(2), the developers pour endless hours and calculations into the statistics of the races and metagame phases in order to make the game as balanced as possible. while it does not directly coorelate to ffxi, it does prove a strong example of how difficult game balance is and how developers do spend time on the approach to balance.

i'll admit that the recent months have been filled with some envy over ukon wars. but i dont think the reaction to the nerf should be this volatile as it was (admittedly) long time incoming, and there was no specification on the exact magnitude of the nerf to my understanding.

tl;dr
game development is harder than it looks, nerf isnt has bad as you think

With content the way it is now that's not gonna happen. In general they had no plan with anything they did, and game play suffered on every job. I think mnk is one of the most balanced jobs, that and ninja. I still think they didn't mean for ukon to be so destructive at 100% tp.

Was just thinking also, Askar Korazin +5 is going to re-cap our Critical Hit Damage in Abyssea anyways. :x

Well I guess I will say bye to my 9552 hits at times. Just sucks.WAR parring and evasion sucks. If your going to nerfs us. Give us something else.

That argument works great if you ignore all the conflicting evidence that suggests they don't even understand the game they're trying to balance. Is it a complicated affair? Yes, but there's no reason to believe they're more knowledgeable about it than us or even on the same level at times.

I'm fine with Ukko's being slightly nerfed because it and Ukon will still be a great improvement above Raging Rush and the sort, but gimping Blood Rage is complete crap. It's not only gimping WAR's DoT/WSs, but any other melee in the party getting the AoE buff as well.

Honestly, I think this is a pretty okay adjustment. I've played around with Ukko's for half a year...its fun, its amazing, it gives great chuckles but I think its important to have balance. Though anyone who thinks a SAM is going to touch a war just because of these adjustments is probably just hopeful. Played war main since 2004, have yet to see many SAMs outparse a war on anything that didnt require a skillchain.

Either way, I'm glad that my Bravura is almost done and I am kinda glad they're willing to fix things that are broken. This will not make war a job that collects dust in the background; war has far too much utility for that to happen.

its only a different perspective, lets all wait for the true impact before qqing.

Namas Arrow is too good for VW, squishy rng is not dying, better nerf it.

Adding destructible rocks wouldn't balance ffxi. Points if you get that!

Nothing touches a full 6 hit Ukko's under Blood Rage, but those are even harder to come by than 8 hit smites. My point wasn't that Monk is overpowered by having VS, it's that if they left VS alone and nerfed only Ukko's, then Monk would be overpowered. I also agree with that it's more Warrior that makes Ukko's than it is Ukko's that makes Ukko's, but that should be fairly obvious. Any weaponskill that another job can do, that Warrior can also do, Warrior can always do better.

5200+ Savage Blades come to mind when I say that, and then other such similar things. I'm gonna miss Blood Rage, as are my friends when we go wild.

And yeah, it's not how they should of handled this, but it's Square Enix, and they always handle things the wrong way.

if there werent destructable rocks, IdrA might not have left a won game after MMA destroyed his own CC with tanks! points if you get THAT!

Considering this is the 3rd War nerf this month (Restraint damage was halved and half of the Blood Rage effect was removed), I'm pretty sure they are.

What kind of Triple Attack gear can WAR wear?

Besides Nocturnus Mail, good luck with that...

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You seem to be unable to see where the upper limit actually lies, probably because you're busy playing RDM whose upper limit is still at the 75 cap.

You're right though, WE should have gotten Monomi: Ni and Jubaku: Ni. We also shouldn't have an attack and ftp penalty on the new weaponskill because the level 96 weaponskill should be significantly better than the level 60 weaponskill. But nerfing one of four good weaponskills isn't going to make your ninja or rdm any more viable in the least.

RDM is completely irrelevant in this entire discussion so stop bringing it up. They do need to fix RDM, I already agreed with you. But you're too busy trying to make every job suck rather than pushing to improve the jobs that need help.

Of course relic war's aren't giving a rat's ***, Metatron torment was never a good weaponskill and they were better off just using RR anyway. But, you know what they could do? Make Metatron torment not suck worse than RR, and now Bravura isn't a complete waste.

Ukko's was fine, the other DD's need buffing. And shut up about RDM unless it's about RDM DD because it's completely irrelevant in this context.

you have got to be *** kidding me with this nerf.

Oh thank god. I was afraid no one would have mentioned that.

best game ever! lol. ukko's wars should learn a thing or two from terran, OP without nerfs and the game is still balanced ;P

best game ever? can you really call it the best game ever when it was just the great white hope getting mindfucked by a mid-tier korean? lawd have mercy

MMA isnt mid-tier. watch GSL at all? only terran to beat MVP in a TvT and pretty much made DonRaeGu look silly in the blizzard cup finals. on top of that, he was the only terran player to beat Nestea consistently...MLG columbus WAS korean dominated. best game ever by comedy standards, not real standards. if i had to put my finger on one, the best game ever was probably game 1 on tal'darim of Leenock vs Jjakji in the GSL final. but seriously ukko's wars, take notes.

you are seriously mistaken if you think the complexity of ffxi is on par with sc2 lol

let's not get it twisted, sc2 is a war game, ffxi is "collect the best gear, autoattack and ws at 100% tp" tbh

I love me some ffxi but plz

So you are saying give WARs mules? k

Blizz cup finals were still sick, I was sad DRG lost but the fact he took it to game 7 was sweet <3


They were just using it as an example that balance is harder then people think~

Valkryies body says hi lol both body slots though

but it's their job to maintain balance without pissing everyone off D:

maintaining balance is their job, pissing everyone off is their hobby =D

Tonaka is the Christmas Anti-Clause, He brings misery, gloom, and depair to Vana'diel, by taking away as much fun and joy as he can. Nerf all the things!

He is the Gwinch who stole weaponskills.

He is also laughing at you with a maniacal "Ho-Ho-Ho, Ha-Ha-Ha".

9.25ftp 100% crit + 100 crit damage + 3% ws damage vs 7.00ftp 100% crit + 94% crit damage + 2% ws damage. Restraint would have to over come a 32% ftp advantage from VS. All in all they are very close, but saying nothing touches a full Ukko is pretty misguided. Maybe outside of Abyssea that statement is more true, but theres always Mythic drg...and now shoha.

Im pretty sure its the otherway around. And a full 8 smite fully charged impetus is harder to come by. Ive come by a full charged impetus but never a full impetus and 8 hit.

Its easier to see better avg from Ukko, because of the job's natural JA buffs/traits and that its BR is static in increase. Impetus relies on not missing and consecutive hits/counters being landed.