[dev1063] Job Adjustments: Warrior

Nah, they're too busy cutting themselves to notice the difference.


Bone chips...?

Giant Femurs :'(

Are WAR's that over powered?? I have had MNK's hang with me at times?? Maybe nerf MNK and any other job that hits hard. Also I have seen BLM's nuke to hard, gimp them . And don't get me started on PUP's and BLU. See where this is leading?? Square, stop Please.

I see a slippery slope argument.

On another note: The children, dear god, think of the children!

Hopefully Tana gets a swift kick in the nuts for Xmas!!

hey now mnk is in this nerf w/ you guys, lol

Isn't that type of thing listed under "additional services" at some Gentlemen's Clubs in Japan? I'd go in on a gift cert for one of those for him.

Why is BLNow now leave BLM out of this lol cant get any worse than double weakness even tho SE did it cuz of the zombie rmt taru BLMs if they took it away 1 hour later they would put it back in XD zombie nuking w/ todays power would be tooo much

More than once, actually.

- 2 handed update has been nerfed after the buff. SAMs were poping 2k Gekkos on anything that existed in the game, people didn't like (poor Khimaira back then). Other jobs got nerfed too since it was a 2 handed update, but you get the point.
- Overwhelm lv 4 and 5 update.
- Empyrean WSs buffing other jobs more than SAM, leading to a nerf in term of general game balance.

I'm forgeting a lot of things (such as meditate nerf, back in the days) but every job has been nerfed at some point, either directly or indirectly.

Logic would tell you that any buff to X or Y job that isn't SAM and yet is a DD is a direct nerf to SAM since the job doesn't move and will be trashed in favor of another. This way, you can easily understand that crit WSs in Abyssea and an atma like RR was a big nerf toward SAM. Of course, the job was/is still used, but I have also seen many DRGs prior to Drakesbane being implemented/Penta Thrust being updated on HNMs. I think you understand where I'm getting at.

While I agree that nerfs aren't a nice thing (some people will remember the impact of the RNG nerf, for example), this announcement is not a nerf if you look at it from a "game scale" perspective. Actually, by doing so, they just buffed DRG, DRK, SAM, RNG and all other jobs whose purpose is to deal damage.

This is how balance work in a video game and while people like to ***on Tanaka because he's the "famous guy" so it's easier, he has obviously nothing to do in this update to begin with and this update actually brings more balance than anything else.

As someone posted above, WAR was parsing 80% over a SAM in Voidwatch. While I have no idea of the gear of both of them, I would assume that to throw out numbers like this on these forums, they have to be somewhat relevant players. If after that, you can still say that WAR was fine or that SAM was buffed way too much with Shoha (when it wasn't), I am really happy that you have 0 weight in what this game can become.

I agree that it's HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE, at 99, to pull out same numbers as we did at 75, or slightly better, when the enemies have evolved that much. They are actually buffing jobs little by little and this update was a joke next to what is planned to arrive in 2012, let's be real for a second. They just brought WAR and MNK back to the level they should have been at when Empyreans were released.

No it wouldn't. Logic would tell me that an update that directly reduced SAM's previous ability would be a nerf. RR wasn't a SAM nerf, it was a buff for all DD jobs, some just benefited more than others. SAM might not have been a top contender for the DD spot anymore due to not having a critical hit weaponskill, but RR is still a buff to all DD jobs.

They're not buffing DRG|DRK|SAM, they're still going to do the same damage after this update, they might be more capable of out damaging a WAR now, but they're still just as good as they were previously, so they haven't been buffed.

While I do understand the point you're trying to make if you view a nerf as "any update that reduces a job's ability" where ability is linear across all (similar) jobs, then your statement would be true. But the ability of a DD job is semi-independent of other DD jobs.

Actually, this is a SAM nerf because they're debuffing blood rage as well, it just hurts critical weaponskill jobs more than SAM, but it is in fact lowering a SAM's ability while in a party with a WAR. Which is why DD's are only semi-independent rather than completely independent with the addition of Sphere effects, skillchains, AOE JAs, etc.

Im taking about SAM only nerfs, since ya know, the 2 handed nerf affected WAR, DRK, DRG as well. DRG was ripping ***apart to with pentra.

Overwhelm lv 4 and 5 were not a nerf, considering they were added that way. It wasnt 5% for both upgrades THEN lowered later.

You are really reaching with the Empy WS since Fodo was comparable to Katien so out of abyssea, it was an easy upgrade for SAM to get.

And no, nerfing a job isnt making others stronger. like someone said, you will still be doing the same damage as before so you are not stronger.

Thx everyone (mainly Taint and Ejiin and Zellc) that You realize me that Im QQing like a girl and that doesnt look good on Galka WAR :P. I went through it and I'am ok now. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger etc.

15/500(?)^^b

why the (?)

Ah yeah, you're right. After they check for balance, you will need 5,000 for upgrade.

Oh btw I was on marches yesterday and got amnesia a lot and I kinda felt like Im doing same/higher damage just swinging with AM3 instead of spaming WS. Is that possible?


Im pretty sure they will lower it to 200 empy and 100 mythic/relic which is still ridiculously high amount of PW and Arch dynamis lord.
I think only good solution if they would really want to leave Arch Dynamis Lord involved would be kill him 100times not get 100items from him. Few relics could advance at once that way and same for PW (If 5 ppl could each make one set a week then kill 5 at once it would be around 5 months which is not bad I guess)

He's back!

And it could be interesting after the update, with max haste and AM3 swinging. Back in the 93.3 days I would WS once and just swing since WS delay lowered my damage a ton.

Do we even know Arch DL drops the relic item? Haven't seen any confirmation at all.

Agreed, requiring a set number of kills, rather than items off those NMs, would be much better. People from different groups could then team up like they did for the attestation NM kill trial.

Yeah I don't know wtf they were thinking by making the final trial items. Going to be a huge bottleneck for any group with a lot of relics/mythics.

Barance all teh things

Jesus H. Christ, if the final relic trial really is items that drop from Arch DL I guess I'm screwed. Thanks again, SE... Guess I should've just waited for the Empyreans to be implemented.

Yeah, my WAR for the most part out DD's anyone else in the party. But I am almost always the first to die and do so multiple times, lol. Ok wuss me out some. But give me more EVE and parring please. WAR stats suck on those skills. Give us something!! Come on Square!! It is Xmas!!

You can have some more Eva and carry on not evading anything that matters

use macros/temps

Yeah Dt, it is looking that way.

Yeah, I'll pass on extra eva, but I'd love more parrying.

I will take anything, lol. Are WAR's getting anything besides the shaft.. I mean nerf guys??

Evasion?! Given that evasion checks before Retaliation, that could nerf one of our best abilities. I'll stick to -Evasion and hope my WHM doesn't suck.

I would like absolutely nothing defensive added onto war, it's simply a glass cannon job.

That's what they where thinking.....? lol