The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

I really don't want to calculate that :8

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DMG:66 Delay:183 Crit. Rate +5% Dagger

At the very least, it's our best offhand. Realistically it might be our best mainhand too.


Under most situations, it appears to be our best mainhand. It offers 3~4% less DPS than Terpsichore does with free AM3 and dodges all the AM3 feasibility issues that accompany mythics. From personal experience, I can tell you that I'm lucky if I only waste 3-4% DPS rebuilding AM3 on average when lowmanning things.

Question and is probably dumb and I have a feeling about the answer but is the +11 DA dagger even worth building? Or the store 15 TP dagger?

Currently working on Empy but its been slow going.

No.

Came back to the game last week after not playing since 2010, so I apologize for the noobish questions!

Always been a good THF and I've spent the last week catching it up, but now I want to gear DNC and I'm curious to know what daggers are best for DNC? As someone who is a ways out from any mythic or empyrean options what should I focus on? STR Thokcha? Aluh Jambiya?

Also what would you recommend for merits for someone who's mostly gonna use DNC in low-man/solo situations?

Not really worth while, but I enjoyed using it until I got my Empy and Coruscanti.

So, I'm pretty much a full-time DNC these days (with occasional time as a BLM, since that's always been my prime class and is good for a variety of things, but I can solo a lot of things on DNC).

I've kinda been following this thread, but it's a bit difficult at times. *hehs* I generally do social events, have never done NNI, or Neo-Salvage or Neo-Limbus, so I wanted to consult the experts here for any advice that can be given as to my gear. I currently have a STR Thokcha, and an AGI one in cases where I need more evasion (not often, but it's saved my hide a few times). I'm working on a Twashtar.

This is my TP set, and while I know I could stand some improvement, the question is what can I improve that would be realistically achievable for myself.

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For my basic WS set, I have this:

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I modify it for Evis by swapping the Anguinus for a Cuchulain's, and putting my Charis Feather and Rancorous Mantle. For Exen, I use this set:

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I'd appreciate any advice that I could use to improve, I'm always looking to better myself!

Ok...trying to figure out what gear left to get in Abby for myself. I have the Atheling mantle, working on Empy Dagger (on VwNM segment) and have +1 Head, Body, Legs (I'm using the Relic +2 though) and havn't gotten lucky yet on feet drops. I'm working on the Strenght Dagger as well.

So what gear do I have left in abby to get? I know I should probably go after Epona's Ring but not sure what else to try and get.


Current set of gear

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There first easy inventory +1 for you would be to get rid of Vimukti and use your Atheling as ws piece, too. 3 DA vs 5 att are always (99.9% if not 100% of all cases) a good call.

You didn't mention if you had Adoulin, but if you do, do a couple of Reives or just Coalition assignments to get some Bayld. For Exenterator alone it'd be worth it (Thurandaut body + legs). Justiciar's Torque would be a good investment, too, although I haven't looked up your server and its prices. If you have the ppl/cruor/patience for it, you'll love having an Epona's Ring.

Neo Salvage is actually fun and almost any trio of ppl that know their jobs can do it. Like most ppl that I know, I just picked some friends to do it with and it's a breeze. I mostly see ppl use THF, DD, Healer, but you really can vary. DNC + DD, Healer is just fine. If you have a lot of friends and you guys don't care about super efficiency, you could go a 4-6 ppl, too, if that made it more of a social event for you guys. I sometimes think casual players are intimidated by new events because they see "leet" players lowman content. No one says it has to be trioed by 3 specific jobs. If you and your friends like hanging out on certain jobs, bring those to Salvage and see how you like it. I highly encourage you to check it out Skadi's really is amazing. And if you have the time/friends/gil for a Twashtar, you can apply the same for Salvage easily. Just my 2 cents.

As for your basic ws set, I'd again point you towards the new Adoulin set. Thurandaut head is pretty snazzy for Evis, Pyrrhic and even the Thurandaut body would be better for those 2 ws than Charis Casaque +2.

tl;dr:
Exenterator > Thurandaut legs/body
generic ws set > Thurandaut body/head
Epona's Ring
=> try Neo Salvage with 2-5 friends cuz it can be fun and is easier than it sounds when you first look into it.

Edit: Forgot to say: Sylow's doing a great job keeping sets updated, so searching the thread for "Evisceration set" or "Exenterator set" or something along those lines usually yields some updated sets, too.

I'm working on saving enough Bayld for the Thurandaut legs (I'm less than 100 away, so one more Reive should do it), not sure if the body is available on my server yet though, I'll have to check.

I've already got a Justicar's, you might have missed it, it's in my WS set there. *hehs*

I'll swap the Vimukti for the Aethling and see how that goes. I've tried to get an Epona's, but it never seems to drop whenever I do Rani. *fume*

And yeah, I know Sylow's been posting sets, but most of those involve items from events I haven't been lucky enough to do (NNI) or have no luck with drops (VW).

Oh, forgot to add: I do have a Rancorous Mantle, and my current hate is pretty high (priest wanted 4k gil to cleanse it), so should I swap that in for Evis, or stay with the Aethling?

List the events that you consider accessible and I'll build you starter gear sets around them!

Thanks Sylow! At present, I pretty much have free reign of Abyssea whenever I want (one thing DNC does great in even solo, thankfully!).

I've been working on trying to get the body and legs for my Relic armor, but they just steadfastly refuse to drop, I have the headpiece and macro it in for cures.

I've done Salvage a couple times, and could probably scrounge up a group if I tried.

Nyzul I have floor 100, never had much luck with equipment drops though, I think I have one piece in storage, but can't recall which.

VW I can do if I sit around and wait for shout groups, I just have pretty poor luck with drops (best thing I've gotten was a Mekira on my fifth kill of the mantis).

But like I said, I'm willing to learn, and I've been trying to get into various other things, working towards completing WotG so I can get my Moonshade earring (and I know not to put the Regain on it, as that's just wasteful).

I updated Budget Exenterator:

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Obviously the +1 versions of things can be downgraded, but some of the +1s are things you'll want eventually anyway.

So the Houyi's would be more useful than my Breeze Gorget? Good thing I have one of those. And I have a STR Thokcha and a Lux pugio as my main weapons. I also have an AGI Thokcha for times I need evasion.

I would use Aluh + Thokcha when you don't need evasion . Gorget is generally bad for most if not all of DNC WSes

Guess I'll have to save up for an Aluh then. I've just been mainhanding the Lux and offhanding the STR Thokcha. What about that new dagger from Adoulin, the Tzustes Knife? I have a friend who can craft them, should I get her to make me one?

Seems like the +1 version could be pretty decent for a starter set!

Does the Charis set bonus apply at time of Samba cast or does it have to be worn the entire time? Asking so I can gain 1 inventory by storing tights since they don't seem to have any use at all if it's the latter.

I'm saving to get all the items for the lvl 99 fake empy because I want to try Rudra's, is it worth it? Or should I keep using Exenterator?

You will use Rudra's for two reasons: one, because 30% ODD ends up making up for the lower average damage of the weaponskill with such a low delay weapon, in this scenario it is best paired with Pugiunclus. Second, for spike damage combined with Climactic Flourish. The WoE weapon loses half of these reasons, so you're better off using Exenterator.

To be honest you could snag an Aluh Jambiya off the AH and use a Lux,and potentially the new Adoulin AH knife and have a great starting point without any major investment. Keep in mind though that the difference between a baseline dnc and a highly-invested DNC is one of the largest differences that exists among classes.

As an aside, I tried to fit Thurandaut Chapeau into TP ses for lulz. It has DW+5% but still falls short of our current preferred setup by a few DPS.

I think it might actually work though in Voidwatch where it's not unreasonable that you might have a bit of extra gear haste from Atmacites.

Oh ok, I'll save my money then.

I have been using Dnc for a while now, I just wanted to try Rudra's and see if I could make some nice numbers.

Is there any way for the thurandaut hat to work with an aby geared Dnc? 26% haste and all that stuff.

Since it isn't really discussed, I have Tzustes Knife +1 beating Str-Thokcha using the standard tp set:
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(Qirmiz Tathlum beats Potestas when dDex is capped btw, Charis Feather whens if it brings it to cap)

Only situation where Str-Thokcha outdoes Tzustes+1 is Climactic Rudra on Dynamis-DC, but the difference is less than a fraction of a DPS. Tzustes+1 beats Str-Thocka on Dynamis-DC assuming Exenterator spam by a larger margin.

A recent parse (using Str-Thokcha) I did of dynamis had my ws ratios at:
~50% Exenterator
~15% Evisceration
~35% Rudra's Storm
So overall, Tzustes+1 will outperform Str-Thokcha in Dynamis based on DPS (extra evasion is a nice touch as well, since I was at 71%).

On content harder than Dynamis-DC, I have Tzustes+1 always winning.

Anyways, I figured I would start this discussion.

I have been lurking around here for quite a while, and I am trying to put some finishing touches on my TP build. I know the Chakram is not ideal, I have the Charis feather I can sub in, but I tend to idle in this so I can pull.

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I am wondering about the New (Thunderant...spelling fail) Chapeau, with DW+5% that would put my at a lower delay with my current setup. Is this an improvement and macro in the Tiara for Climatic Flourish?

I feel weird being below the haste cap, but using ffxicalc this setup is giving me lower delay. Since I am not a huge mathy person I am looking for some thoughts and ideas on where I should go.

Ravlin: My advice to you would be to do a couple of Shinryu runs and get yourself a Twilight Belt, if at all possible. The 7% haste on it allows you a bit more freedom with other slots, and gets you better TP return than the Dual Wield enhancement from the Nusku's (though, I admit, I got my Twilight before I got DNC up high enough to use it, so YMMV).

When it comes to the headpieces, I'd stick with the Charis +2 over to the Thurandaut. The chapeau's +5% DW in no way makes up for the loss of the Attack, Accuracy, and Store TP on the +2. In fact, the 5% DW would actually _hurt_ your TP return, since Haste doesn't affect TP per swing, while DW does.

I do have a twilight, but I was mathing it out, and since they recommend a patentia sash (and Nuskus has the same DW on it)I was putting that in as a filler until I can get my LS to do some Limbus II.

I also just got my Suppa and forogt to put it in my gear set.

I feel like I should mention I have twilight belt, and most of the Thaumas gear, Full AF3 +2, a good selection to pick from. I can can gear haste if I choose to, but I have been gathering that the trend here had been going more toward DW than capped haste.

So... no one knows the answer?

The latter.

And you should be using artifact head for Sambas as well.

Switching to Twilight Belt and Thura Head inceases that set by about 5.4% on my spreadsheet. (On Dynamis DC with my WS set).

I recommend checking this out for a more accurate calculation of your DOT than FFXI Calc.

As for the TP gain, you will be getting less TP/hit, but you will be getting more TP over time as you add dual wield.


Also, I highly recommend you get [item]Suppanomimi[item].
Just noticed you said you had it later.