The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

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By Aeyela 2013-02-15 14:33:36  
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Maybe more importantly, no matter what your strategy DNC/THF is going to have a pretty difficult time breaking 250 currency without a mule, so congratulations: you've found a viable approach!

The real perk will always remain not having a rage attack everytime I see a Falcorr in Dynamis.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dova 2013-02-15 14:44:43  
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Maybe more importantly, no matter what your strategy DNC/THF is going to have a pretty difficult time breaking 250 currency without a mule

Without 55 bst's in zone 250 is pretty reasonable...
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By Carbuncle.Pwnzone 2013-02-15 14:44:57  
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Maybe more importantly, no matter what your strategy DNC/THF is going to have a pretty difficult time breaking 250 currency without a mule

This is refering to doing ws procs or killing dc's? Soloing ep's while procing ja's, ending with 250 means you had really bad competition or had a difficult time with the 20 min.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-02-15 14:45:58  
Yeah, well, considering I took PUP as far as 37 before realizing that THAT SPECIFIC REASON was probably not good enough for what I was getting myself into, I might take a look at this with my dubs teeps ***.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-15 14:49:52  
Quetzalcoatl.Dova said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Maybe more importantly, no matter what your strategy DNC/THF is going to have a pretty difficult time breaking 250 currency without a mule

Without 55 bst's in zone 250 is pretty reasonable...

Idk about you but I'm not farming Dynamis in Whitegate.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-02-15 14:55:05  
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Idk about you but I'm not farming Dynamis.

ftfy

I actually am considering finally upgrading and augmenting my Etoile Tiara, though. Then I'll store it. I don't need another another 20 seconds of a JA I never use, but it also seems dumb to have all the other junk for DNC that I do have and not have the augmented Tiara.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-02-15 14:58:41  
Carbuncle.Pwnzone said: »
ScaevolaBahamut said: »
Maybe more importantly, no matter what your strategy DNC/THF is going to have a pretty difficult time breaking 250 currency without a mule
This is refering to doing ws procs or killing dc's? Soloing ep's while procing ja's, ending with 250 means you had really bad competition or had a difficult time with the 20 min.

I mean, I gotta be honest; I haven't really hauled *** for a full two hours in Dynamis since finishing Ebisu. These days I'll go in, get a hundred or so, get bored, and leave after an hour. But at no point was I ever at an EP camp with little enough competition to not get completely screwed by mobs that would Just Not Proc. It's why I stopped doing EPs entirely, unless I was feeling lazy, which in fairness I admit is basically all the time.

I guess what I'm saying is I want to live in a world where I can proc every EP and still maximize killrate.
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By Fenrir.Sylow 2013-02-15 15:05:33  
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Fenrir.Sylow said: »
Idk about you but I'm not farming Dynamis.

ftfy

I actually am considering finally upgrading and augmenting my Etoile Tiara, though. Then I'll store it. I don't need another another 20 seconds of a JA I never use, but it also seems dumb to have all the other junk for DNC that I do have and not have the augmented Tiara.

I like to pretend I farm Dynamis.
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By Aeyela 2013-02-17 03:32:22  
What are people's opinion of closed position merits?
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By Siren.Mcclane 2013-02-17 11:22:24  
Useless
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By Phoenix.Lillicarnage 2013-02-18 07:13:54  
Aeyela said: »
What are people's opinion of closed position merits?

For PVP... so...

Siren.Mcclane said: »
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-02-18 07:28:15  
Depends how you use your dancer, etc. At the moment, though, I don't feel there is much content in the game where I'm 15 Evasion away from the Hit Rate floor. I tend to either have no problem at all evading it (Abyssea, old content, etc.) or the huge sacrifices that I have to make in order to evade its non-lethal hits just make evasion-tanking a stupid idea (Salvage v2 bosses).

The one thing that I would find Closed Position merits useful for at the moment is the MMM Bugard (Liquidation Maze). I have been killing it just to try and get a Kogglemander to test, and wow. He hits for 600+ damage and is very accurate. I offhand the AGI/Eva Thokcha there, and it would help to have another 15 evasion.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-02-18 14:14:39  
So, damage type weapons.

I obviously use daggers for Piercing. I recently got Shivaji Baghnakhs for blunt. That leaves Slashing, and currently I use Vampiric Claws for that.

Is there a better Slashing option? Sagasinger/Talekeeper? Are they actually Slashing, or piercing like most of the other swords we can wear?
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-02-18 14:18:57  
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So, damage type weapons.

I obviously use daggers for Piercing. I recently got Shivaji Baghnakhs for blunt. That leaves Slashing, and currently I use Vampiric Claws for that.

Is there a better Slashing option? Sagasinger/Talekeeper? Are they actually Slashing, or piercing like most of the other swords we can wear?
lex talionis ftw
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2013-02-18 14:21:19  
Chiroptera Dagger....?

Probably too straight up weak.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-02-18 14:22:02  
Vampiric Claws are better with capped H2H skill:
D39, 229 delay (no DW) vs. D47, 240 delay (no merits)

Short of Sagasinger or Talekeeper being slashing, I don't think Swords are the way to go.
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2013-02-18 14:24:10  
I could be wrong, but I remember Perseus's Harpe having slashing type damage apart from Weapon skills.

Was it ever tested to see if this persisted for all kinds of Harpe weapons?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-02-18 14:27:03  
BGwiki claims Perseus's Harpe is Slashing damage too, but the other two wikis don't.

I guess Angr Harpe isn't exactly hard to get to test this. Perhaps I'll take a Talekeeper and Angr Harpe to the damage-type Apollyon tonight.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-02-18 14:27:09  
Lakshmi.Byrth said: »
Vampiric Claws are better with capped H2H skill:
D39, 229 delay (no DW) vs. D47, 240 delay (no merits)

Short of Sagasinger or Talekeeper being slashing, I don't think Swords are the way to go.
Sword would have a stronger/slashing ws, but for just melee dot, Vampiric may beat Lex then.
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-02-18 14:29:07  
DNC doesn't get Vorpal Blade or even Savage Blade natively, so we're looking at either using Fast Blade or getting +15% DPS by switching to Vampiric Claws.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-02-18 14:31:46  
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DNC doesn't get Vorpal Blade or even Savage Blade natively, so we're looking at either using Fast Blade or getting +15% DPS by switching to Vampiric Claws.
Oh, I was thinking /war. Only situation I can really think about for needing slashing is damage resist Limbus and Jailor of Whatever.

Limbus I would /war, and the Jailor I would be on a different job anyways (ie Thf or Drk).
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-02-18 14:33:10  
The possiblity of Harpes intrigues me though, good offhand to Lex for slashing stuff. (Since dagger ws's are still piercing.)

And if you can dual wield Lex/Harpe, that would beat Claws I would think.


Edit: Don't mind my semi word jumble, kinda distracted by hunger atm.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-02-20 20:35:37  
So I was joking around with a friend, and proposed this question.

anrin obi for the second ws in a Darkness skillchain in Dynamis (double dark weather). Yay or nay?

Basically, guaranteed 25% skillchain bonus (vs 1/3 chance normally) vs a real ws belt.
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By Siren.Mcclane 2013-02-20 20:35:57  
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So I was joking around with a friend, and proposed this question.

anrin obi for the second ws in a Darkness skillchain in Dynamis (double dark weather). Yay or nay?

Basically, guaranteed 25% skillchain bonus (vs 1/3 chance normally) vs a real ws belt.

This is you:


Stupid edit causing me to choose a different picture
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-02-20 20:37:00  
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Siren.Thoraeon said: »
So I was joking around with a friend, and proposed this question.

anrin obi for the second ws in a Darkness skillchain in Dynamis (double dark weather). Yay or nay?

Basically, guaranteed 25% skillchain bonus (vs 1/3 chance normally) vs a real ws belt.

This is you:
I am a broken link? T.T



(More poorly drawn than broken, but whatever.)
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-02-20 21:18:53  
I don't think it's actually guaranteed to give the bonus in double weather, but I could be wrong. It typically picks the least resistant element.

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Darkness
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2013-02-20 23:19:17  
Aw, that is disappointing (thank goodness).

Oh yeah, did you find out any cool new things about Angr Harpe and its ilk?
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By Lakshmi.Byrth 2013-02-21 06:39:58  
Still haven't tested it. I've been doing a lot of afking lately.
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By Fenrir.Yuriki 2013-02-21 08:51:52  
My apologies if this has been answered recently, but I didn't see anything in the last few pages.

What are we looking at as far as the optimal Curing Waltz set nowadays? Outside of random +CHR pieces, I'm using:

Anwig Salade with Waltz Ability delay -2
AF1 body
Asklepian ring
Valseur's ring
Roundel earring
Dance shoes with 3% potency (still trying, years later)

Is CHR gear for the other slots all that important, keeping inv space in mind? 1-5 extra HP is not worth it in my opinion, 50 HP would be. If so, what are you guys using? Also, any other cure potency other than what I have, outside of AF2 head and Sonia's?
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