The Last Dance: Gearing Paradigms For A New Age

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 Shiva.Alistrianna
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By Shiva.Alistrianna 2012-04-30 11:43:15  
How does the new 3 hour food work for DNC?

Smoldering Salisbury Steak
HP +20
Strength +7
Intelligence -5
Attack +20% caps @650 base attack
Store TP -10
Haste 4%
Dragon Killer

Charred Salisbury Steak
HP +32
Strength +8
Intelligence -6
Attack +23% (cap wasn't listed for HQ but assuming its similar)
Store TP -10
Haste +5%
Dragon Killer
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By Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu 2012-04-30 14:32:50  
is that stp -10 (minus) or stp - 10
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-30 14:54:07  
..haste on food?
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By Phoenix.Lillicarnage 2012-04-30 14:58:38  
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
..haste on food?

I guess that makes it...

Fast Food.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-30 15:01:40  
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By mortontony1 2012-04-30 15:06:02  
There are stp 10 hands I was looking at for war, ogiers I think, can dnc wear them?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Dawnn 2012-04-30 15:06:42  
Shiva.Alistrianna said: »
How does the new 3 hour food work for DNC?

Smoldering Salisbury Steak
HP +20
Strength +7
Intelligence -5
Attack +20% caps @650 base attack
Store TP -10
Haste 4%
Dragon Killer

Charred Salisbury Steak
HP +32
Strength +8
Intelligence -6
Attack +23% (cap wasn't listed for HQ but assuming its similar)
Store TP -10
Haste +5%
Dragon Killer


Shiva.Alistrianna said: »
How does the new 3 hour food work for DNC?


Shiva.Alistrianna said: »
3 hour


Shiva.Alistrianna said: »

Charred Salisbury Steak

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 Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-30 15:07:02  
mortontony1 said: »
There are stp 10 hands I was looking at for war, ogiers I think, can dnc wear them?

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By mortontony1 2012-04-30 15:09:55  
Damn. Would the hit to stp be worth it and switch in Charis bangles or something? Sounds like a perfect dyna food.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-30 15:28:47  
No.
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By mortontony1 2012-04-30 15:48:54  
Well aren't you just a dream wrecker >.<

Edit: is that 10 stp really going to screw us over? 1.5 less attack but 1 more attack than red curry bun but lasts 6 times as long.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-30 15:49:15  
Yes.
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-04-30 15:49:46  
Lakshmi.Sirafiinikkusu said: »
is that stp -10 (minus) or stp - 10

It's stp minus 10 from wiki.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-04-30 16:07:02  
Shiva.Alistrianna said: »
Smoldering Salisbury Steak
HP +20
Strength +7
Intelligence -5
Attack +20% caps @650 base attack
Store TP -10
Haste 4%
Dragon Killer

Charred Salisbury Steak
HP +32
Strength +8
Intelligence -6
Attack +23% (cap wasn't listed for HQ but assuming its similar)
Store TP -10
Haste +5%
Dragon Killer
 Bismarck.Sylow
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-30 16:08:35  
To be honest, I just wish they'd release decent mage food.
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By Shiva.Galbir 2012-04-30 16:11:11  
Anyone know if it's magic, gear, or Ja?
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By Cerberus.Tikal 2012-04-30 16:15:40  
I'd assume gear-based, anything else would be terribly awesome and too good to be true.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2012-04-30 16:22:22  
Watch, people start making sets for when you're using that food.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-30 16:22:52  
I'm releasing the centipedes.
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By Ramuh.Laffter 2012-04-30 16:25:16  
I honestly think it'd be workable even if it's gear haste. Makes room to replace the extra haste with store tp stuff to offset the -10 (assuming such gear exists).

Though SE probably just figured people still aren't capping haste in 2012. :|
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-04-30 16:34:34  
Most of our Store TP options also include haste.
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By Fenrir.Motenten 2012-05-01 16:58:18  
All same gear, Dynamis mobs:
Bison: 272.666
RCB: 293.694
Salisbury: 275.757
Salisbury +1: 282.279

Seeing if I can change out any gear to push Salisbury +1 up to RCB

Haste gear in sample set:
Charis+2 head
Brego hands
Twilight Belt
Etoile+2 legs
Charis+2 feet

Can remove up to 5% haste since it's made up for in food.
Removing Twilight Belt puts us 2% below haste cap, as well as losing 2% DA. There aren't any other waist options that can make up for both of those lacks.
Removing Etoile+2 legs loses the Saber Dance bonus. Nothing else can make up for that.
Removing Charis+2 head puts us 1% below cap, as well as losing 7 Store TP. Nothing else adequately compensates for that.

Thaumas is an improvement over Charis+2 feet. 3% DA and extra attack pushes DPS up to 285.051. Still not a match for RCB.
Heafoc is an improvement over Brego Gloves. DPS up to 288.487. Still not a match for RCB.

Can't do both Heafoc and Thaumas at the same time, though. Lose too much haste.


RCB is 1.8% ahead of Salisbury+1/Heafoc. If we assume that damage has a linear correspondance with coins, and between 100 and 200 coins per run, that translates to between 1.8 and 3.6 coins gained by using RCBs. If average coin value is 7200, that's between 13k and 26k worth of additional coins.

Cost of 4 RCBs is ~40k. Cost of 1 Salisbury+1 steak is (at the moment)... ~100k.

Net loss of 63k-76k.

Even without the -10 Store TP, it would be only slightly better than RCBs (~297.755), so would not be worth the cost.

For it to be worth using (as in, a wash compared to RCBs), cost would need to drop to about 20k per HQ steak. Unfortunately most servers have the primary ingredient (Cerberus Meat) up to around 50k each. Am guessing it's being used for the next tier of cooking skillups. If the price ever falls back to the old dirt-cheap level, or gets saturated by crafters skilling up, could be viable.
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By Bismarck.Gaspee 2012-05-01 17:00:50  
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I'm releasing the centipedes.
Have you finished reinstalling yet? God! D:
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By Asura.Myrrh 2012-05-01 18:03:49  
So... my DNC is still as beast as it gets? Dammit. Back to /away.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-01 18:08:56  
Bismarck.Gaspee said: »
Bismarck.Sylow said: »
I'm releasing the centipedes.
Have you finished reinstalling yet? God! D:

No :(
I just reinstalled my OS today x_X
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-03 16:32:50  
I had to re-find this today, figured someone might want it:

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/15999/dat-mod-request
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By Phoenix.Cell 2012-05-04 02:38:49  
Your pics always look so great. Since you just redid everything, could you list what all you use? For example:

Ffxi view
Windower plugin distance redraw?

I run a super high res and overlay but your Sylow DNC pics are always so crispy. If not, no big deal.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-04 02:42:43  
I don't remember what I did, but I'll update when I re-figure it out.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-04 02:45:39  
Something about oversampling.
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-05-04 02:46:06  
If I want to take a scenic SS, I do //drawdistance set 20
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