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 Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-02 14:12:41  
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Asura.Hotin said: »
Save TP cap at 45% if i recall correctly and sadly it is not possible to always use WS right in front.
If it caps at 45 the the VW pwnage is out. Still would be the best body for non VW situations, if you can proc overwelm.
Are we sure it's counted towards save tp?


Its 2 save TP per OW merit or 10 for 99% of SAMs.
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By Lakshmi.Rearden 2012-01-02 14:31:08  
Overwhelm doesn't help you skillchain more, I think you're overestimating that 99% cause real SAMs set up self skillchains
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By Phoenix.Neosutra 2012-01-02 17:16:00  
Self SCs on what lol?

You're not self SCing on VW mobs where 4-5 other DD are spamming WS during procs, and who cares about anything else at the moment.
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-01-02 20:50:15  
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Did anyone ever figure out how large the attack bonus is on this?
My rough calculation showed at least it's 45% earlier on page 4.

Gobli says at least it's 35%.

EDIT:
Looking back again, I think my conclusion being "At most 45~50% attack boost" should be correct.
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-01-02 20:50:41  
Sets i'm thinking about using(situations overwhelm is reliable like possibly new nyzul):

tp:


ws:


Should be a dirty 5hit if I mathed right. spellcast/macro in af3+2 body for 1 hit if 2nd shoha hit misses.
[+]
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2012-01-02 20:59:03  
Now admittedly SAM isn't my strongest job but wouldn't you be gimping yourself by WSing in relic +2 body? Would have thought AF3+2 body in TP and then ace's/avants/twilight or w/e for WS.

EDIT: Ah crap just seen that you can augment it with Overwhelm +4%, think this crosses into the realm of the unknown for me, disregard my post.
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-01-02 21:02:27  
It gives Save TP +10 on augment, easing up gearing for haste on TP phase, though the point is moot if you're looking how VWNM rolls.
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By Bahamut.Vagrua 2012-01-02 21:22:07  
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Sets i'm thinking about using(situations overwhelm is reliable like possibly new nyzul):

tp:


should be a 5hit if I mathed right.
maybe switch hands to Brego Gloves?
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By Odin.Sawtelle 2012-01-02 23:00:01  
Bahamut.Vagrua said: »
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Sets i'm thinking about using(situations overwhelm is reliable like possibly new nyzul):

tp:


should be a 5hit if I mathed right.
maybe switch hands to Brego Gloves?

Right, keep forgetting about those.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-03 12:03:12  
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Sets i'm thinking about using(situations overwhelm is reliable like possibly new nyzul): tp: ws: Should be a dirty 5hit if I mathed right. spellcast/macro in af3+2 body for 1 hit if 2nd shoha hit misses.


Af3+2 Body >> Juogi+1

If Hasso is down switch to Ace's
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-01-03 16:44:26  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Sets i'm thinking about using(situations overwhelm is reliable like possibly new nyzul): tp: ws: Should be a dirty 5hit if I mathed right. spellcast/macro in af3+2 body for 1 hit if 2nd shoha hit misses.


Af3+2 Body >> Juogi+1

If Hasso is down switch to Ace's

24 att (7acc if you need it) 2.5% hassoshin > crit+4% da+5%?

seems like a miniscule amount of att when you're riding 1200+. So that leaves me wondering how much better the hassoshin can be at 2.5% (10%zanshin base) vs 4%crit and 5% da :/
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-01-03 19:20:45  
Not sure if you can ride Stalwart or something similar in New Nyzul. Your atk might not be 1200+ most of the time.
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By Carbuncle.Xenhas 2012-01-04 00:03:27  
gogo me not fully reading quotes :/
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By Bahamut.Darkone 2012-01-04 15:19:03  
How much should be expect for total STR while using this WS? and I assume a tp bonus GK would be the best bet? bringing ftp from 2.375 to 3.15 at 100%. or

I am trying to compare this to Ruinator( 1hand axe merit ws ). Given good builds to both, doesn't have to be all HQ but reasonable good on both.
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-04 17:28:13  
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Odin.Sawtelle said: »
Sets i'm thinking about using(situations overwhelm is reliable like possibly new nyzul): tp: ws: Should be a dirty 5hit if I mathed right. spellcast/macro in af3+2 body for 1 hit if 2nd shoha hit misses.
Af3+2 Body >> Juogi+1 If Hasso is down switch to Ace's
24 att (7acc if you need it) 2.5% hassoshin > crit+4% da+5%? seems like a miniscule amount of att when you're riding 1200+. So that leaves me wondering how much better the hassoshin can be at 2.5% (10%zanshin base) vs 4%crit and 5% da :/


Its DA damage, TA TP. With SAMs high WS to TP spread anything that gains you TP faster is going to win out.


Bored at work, check this out.



Requires Shoha WS in Rajas,Saotome+2,Unkai+2 legs,Brutal
20.0 TP return.

16% Zanhasso = 21.2+21.2+28.6 = 71.0tp round + 20.0 Shoha + AF2+2a OW proc = 101.0 TP in 1 round.

For Fudo swap Unkai back for Misuushi, same WS set

Fudo = 18.4 TP return

15% Zanhasso = 21.5+21.5+29.1 = 72.1tp round + 18.4 Fudo + AF2+2a OW proc = 100.5 TP in 1 round

15% or 16% Instant WS.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-01-04 18:00:46  
Carbuncle.Xenhas said: »
24 att (7acc if you need it) 2.5% hassoshin > crit+4% da+5%?

seems like a miniscule amount of att when you're riding 1200+. So that leaves me wondering how much better the hassoshin can be at 2.5% (10%zanshin base) vs 4%crit and 5% da :/
If you're going to include buffs in your total attack, you should also factor them into your analysis of the attack gained. For example, with Berserk it would add 30 total attack. Zerk + Stalwart's gives 36, etc. If you're disregarding under the assumption of capped pDIF that's one thing, but I dare say that falls outside the scope of this thread as Kaiten, Fudo, and Stardiver will surpass Shoha here.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2012-01-04 19:40:52  
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bored at work, check this out.



Requires Shoha WS in Rajas,Saotome+2,Unkai+2 legs,Brutal
20.0 TP return.

16% Zanhasso = 21.2+21.2+28.6 = 71.0tp round + 20.0 Shoha + AF2+2a OW proc = 101.0 TP in 1 round.

For Fudo swap Unkai back for Misuushi, same WS set

Fudo = 18.4 TP return

15% Zanhasso = 21.5+21.5+29.1 = 72.1tp round + 18.4 Fudo + AF2+2a OW proc = 100.5 TP in 1 round

15% or 16% Instant WS.
Did you take into account this announcement? Because I'm rather interested by your set, as it's what I have right now.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2012-01-04 20:19:38  
Asura.Xeth said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bored at work, check this out.



Requires Shoha WS in Rajas,Saotome+2,Unkai+2 legs,Brutal
20.0 TP return.

16% Zanhasso = 21.2+21.2+28.6 = 71.0tp round + 20.0 Shoha + AF2+2a OW proc = 101.0 TP in 1 round.

For Fudo swap Unkai back for Misuushi, same WS set

Fudo = 18.4 TP return

15% Zanhasso = 21.5+21.5+29.1 = 72.1tp round + 18.4 Fudo + AF2+2a OW proc = 100.5 TP in 1 round

15% or 16% Instant WS.
Did you take into account this announcement? Because I'm rather interested by your set, as it's what I have right now.
That moment when you get 76 tp back from Stardiver without Miser's Roll or a Save TP Atmacite/Atma......
Oh my :<
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2012-01-04 20:32:39  
Asura.Xeth said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Asura.Xeth said: »
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »
Cerberus.Taint said: »
Bored at work, check this out.



Requires Shoha WS in Rajas,Saotome+2,Unkai+2 legs,Brutal
20.0 TP return.

16% Zanhasso = 21.2+21.2+28.6 = 71.0tp round + 20.0 Shoha + AF2+2a OW proc = 101.0 TP in 1 round.

For Fudo swap Unkai back for Misuushi, same WS set

Fudo = 18.4 TP return

15% Zanhasso = 21.5+21.5+29.1 = 72.1tp round + 18.4 Fudo + AF2+2a OW proc = 100.5 TP in 1 round

15% or 16% Instant WS.
Did you take into account this announcement? Because I'm rather interested by your set, as it's what I have right now.
That moment when you get 76 tp back from Stardiver without Miser's Roll or a Save TP Atmacite/Atma......
Oh my :<
Everybody is so busy spamming Shoha, didn't even realize the AF2+2a Body for SAM is +5 Save TP per hit of the WS.
Kind of like SAMs using Penta Thrust where it mattered versus spamming Gekko on anything back in the days. Things never change when it comes to GK vs Polearm.

But oh well, it's going to be fixed anyway :/ (and I personally can't afford to merit Stardiver so no loss)
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2012-01-04 20:54:10  
Quote:
Meriting WS for merit PT purpose
Quote:
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By Cerberus.Taint 2012-01-04 23:15:34  
Wait? Is it confirmed to be 5savetp for OW proc? I thought it was 10 savetp and Shoha was giving 20....
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2012-01-04 23:20:37  
Pretty sure it's 10.
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By Bismarck.Aerison 2012-01-05 19:49:31  
Asura.Xeth said: »
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Pretty sure it's 10.
10 because you're using a 2-hit WS.
Huh?
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By Bismarck.Sylow 2012-01-05 19:52:14  
5 SvTP per hit, but they're going to nerf that according to "Known Issues"
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By Bismarck.Aerison 2012-01-05 19:57:07  
Asura.Xeth said: »
Bismarck.Aerison said: »
Asura.Xeth said: »
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Pretty sure it's 10.
10 because you're using a 2-hit WS.
Huh?
Go Penta Thrust a couple times with the AF2+2a body and you'll realize how the body actually works.
Cool, thanks.
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By Titan.Bomber 2012-01-05 19:59:27  
Aside from relics is it settled yet which trial weapon is better for the merited WSs +100 TP bonus (low base dmg) or the +10% WS DMG (higher base dmg too)? or a weapon w/ stat that mods WS (highest base dmg)?
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