[Dev] DRK - Magic Usage

I think I missed this because it didn't happen.

Also, my post here outlines the basic minimum requirements (which is realistically what SE will do) to turn DRK from a melee with stun to a magic/melee hybrid. None of my four points require much more than copy/paste and adjusting some parameters.

IMO BLU is the only hybrid job that works to its full potential, so instead of reinventing the wheel for RDM and DRKs, just look at what works on BLU and apply that to DRK and RDM.

Why are BLUs able to cast and still maintain status a front line job?

I'm throwing a few things out there, I think we need to approach the problem from this perspective, instead of throwing out cool stuff and hoping something sticks. In no way did I put a lot of thought into this but lets get the ball rolling.

So I could get it started: what are the essentials to make a hybrid job work, and I'll write how that applies to BLU, then SE just has to make it apply to DRK and RDM too

a) instant cast spells, or spells that do not significantly reduce TP gain or melee DOT. (Quad.cont like spells.)

b) JA's or spells on low timers that give large boosts dmg. (CA / Efflux)

c) something to force the job to stay front line (small spell range)

d) Good Melee DOT (A+ sword skill, high haste gear and spells)

e) Good WS dmg (CdC)

So lets add things to DRK to satify these deficiencies where they present themselves:

example a) dark holy (1000dmg?), dark holy II(1500dmg?) and drain/aspire III(650dmg?+overfill effect) and low recasts (20, 25 and 1 min respectively?). I haven't played DRK in so long that I don't know what numbers here would be appropriate but they need to be inline with quad cont and heavy strike for example, along with a <1 second cast time.

for example b) I'd apply this to drk through a JA that makes the new "Dark Holy spell" [which will address deficiency a.] do x3 dmg. So BLMs and DRKs can dark holy for 1000 dmg every 20 seconds, but every 1 minute 30 DRK can pop a 4500 dmg "Dark holy II". BLMs won't get this ability.

example c) a spell that gives a straight 30%(?) def/magic def down effect but can only be cast at a range of 5 or less, has a duration of 3-4 seconds and recast of 10. Casting time is <1 sec. Not sure if c. is required for drk. I don't think DRKs are going to forgo melee all together for dark holy spam anyhow.

I don't think DRKs are deficient in D and E, so that doesn't need to be addressed.

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Sorry, I was worried my boss was going to see me farting around at a bad time. I meant that Dancer isn't raped by the job ability delay because the things it does are valueable. I was trying to convey that drks elemental and some of its dark spells aren't worth the price in dot delay they impose but if you changed that (that being what they gave in return for the delay penalty) they might be.

I just was trying to counter the idea of "if you just remove hasso's restriction it'll all be fixed".

Haha, okay yeah then. Steps and Reverse Flourish are probably worth doing if you aren't at capped Haste and can reliably self-skillchain. It's still a pretty major problem for the job though.

Anyway, "Darkness" and "Darkness II" would be cast (sometimes, if they were strong enough), but they're a pretty lame way to fix the job's design. Also, they'd require new animations which make them pretty unlikely. Not a single player suggestion has resulted in anything with a new animation. The most you can hope for is to affect the properties of things that already exist.

I promise that English is my native tongue.

I always wanted Dark Knight to be able to summon skeletons(ever since I had started at NA release). Maybe not so much as a pet class, but possibly having a spell/JA that summons 1-3(depending on your level?) skeletons that will attack/last for 30 seconds with a 5min recast. And maybe at the end of the 30 seconds, if they're still alive, you "absorb" them which gives you attack, acc, etc.. bonus for another 30 seconds.

Basically, a creative way of giving a higher damage output for 1 min, every 5 mins.

as much as i would like this i think they would limit it to only working in indoor areas or night time.. (reason they didnt create necromancer) but srsly i think they should make something like this...even if its hounds.

Sounds like it could've been a potential second 2hr

but as i said that 2hour would be limited. because having a skele out in the sun is against our religious beliefs lol.

though as ive said before if they dont give it to us in our new 2hour.. how about this.. tweak our current two hour so for every 500 hp drained we get a clone of ourselves that have 500 hp (a rif on zieds cloning ability). and have it capped at 3 clones..

I understand that the main argument here seems to be that casting magic cuts into your time dealing damage. Since Samurai subjob isn't going anywhere, this just feels like the easiest fix. Even if they gave us Dark Magic Celerity or the likes, Hasso/Seigan will still penalize it.

i still wished that drks got the double sword weapon >.> (to better explain what im thinking of its the weapon serge uses in chrono cross) man...that would of been the best thing SE could of done for drk >.>

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You know u want it >.>

I know ! We need a spell that would let us dual wield two handed weapons for 1min. And call it 3rd arm !

Apoc + Calad anyone ?

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That delay would just suck @.@

It was coined as a Swallow in Chrono Cross, and no, that wouldn't be a good weapon for DRKs.

Depending on how they model the weapon it could fit drk well. seeing as how drk seems the only logical class to get a dual sided heavy blade... though i do agree that if they go with ffxi models then war would seem to be more appropriate..

but its kinda useless talking about something that can never happen anyways xD so ya. anyways i think a terror spell would be nice.. or ability... like "Scary Face" >.>

I think that the thing that people are missing is that fact that rdm and drk were not meant to just toss of elemental spells. They were supposed to do them in a magic burst for the best dmg....

I think was ur missing is no....just no... because a drk MB is still ***.

I don't think offensive magic on DRK will ever become something anyone will focus on or even really attempt until the TP return from Occult Acumen equals or beats TP gain rate through standard melee.

or the after effect is nice. or even if the spell is powerful enough. but as it stands no elemental spell will ever be used

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Give DRK dark spells diabolos style w/ high dmg mab/dark ele skill based that give debuffs or a JA of super weapon bash ! or a JA that absorbs all ur buffs to power up ur next WS

instead of Demiga, Call it Demi More

I feel like a tool for suggesting this but...

Spell Name: Trauma
Effect: Deals darkness damage with potency based on damage sustained by the caster and transfers a negative status effect(s) to the target.

I just really like the word Trauma!

Let me keep swinging while casting but don't give me TP off of those swings...

I guess they have said they cannot do this?

Regain/Save TP/TP wings

maybe they can give drk a stance, like innin/yonin. one for melee drks and one for magic casting?

Samurai can solo skillchains easy.
Dancer can solo skillchains easy.
Blu can solo skillchains easy.
Ukko war can solo a light skillchain massively.
Drg can solo skillchains via Spirit Link.
Nin can dodge skillchains (tenzen fight).
Pup can skillchain with their thing.

I don't think Drk fits with the group above.

What about a JA that allows the next ws (perhaps limited to entropy) that allows the closing of Darkness every x minutes?
This also allows the enhancement of any magic casted within the burst.
An addition of other darkness spells and Magic Burst Bonus should go along with it too.
This also ups the damage of entropy with the closing of a lvl3 sc.

Either that, or entropy should just straight up drain TP instead of MP.