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 Fenrir.Skarwind
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-11-30 18:13:01  
Indefinite Detention Bill

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Senate moves to limit debate on unconstitutional legislation

Paul Joseph Watson
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Wednesday, November 30, 2011

The Senate has cleared the way for a final vote tomorrow on the National Defense Authorization Act, a provision of which would empower the U.S. military to operate on American soil, arrest American citizens and cart them off to detention centers anywhere in the world.
Detention

After the failure yesterday of an amendment that would have weakened Section 1031 of the NDAA bill, which would turn the entire “homeland” into a battlefield and allow the military to arrest individuals accused of being terrorists and detain them indefinitely without trial, the Senate voted 88-12 today to limit debate on the legislation, clearing it for passage tomorrow.

“A final vote on the bill could come as early as Thursday,” reports the Associated Press.

The provision was hashed out in secret by Senators Carl Levin and John McCain. Lindsay Graham, a supporter of the bill, explained that it would, “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.”

Republican Congressman Justin Amash called the provision of the bill, “one of the most anti-liberty pieces of legislation of our lifetime,” adding that the language had been “carefully crafted to mislead the public” in that the proposed law “does not preclude U.S. citizens from being detained indefinitely, without charge or trial, it simply makes such detention discretionary.”



Amash has been joined in his opposition to the bill by Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, who has introduced an amendment to strike Section 1031 from the legislation altogether. When Paul confronted McCain on the provision earlier this week, McCain confirmed that it would apply to American citizens accused of being terrorists.

Paul warned yesterday that the passage of the bill could see U.S. citizens arrested on American soil and sent to Guantanamo Bay.

Although the Obama administration has threatened to veto the bill, some observers believe Obama would rather avoid a political hot potato and sign it into law anyway.

“He has said he will. Whether he will is a difficult question because, politically, it’s difficult to veto a defense spending bill that 680 pages long and includes authorization to spend on a whole range of military programs,” Daphne Eviatar, Senior Associate, Human Rights First’s Law and Security Program, told Democracy Now.

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Paul Joseph Watson is the editor and writer for Prison Planet.com. He is the author of Order Out Of Chaos. Watson is also a regular fill-in host for The Alex Jones Show.

Seems like our own media fails to even mention something like this. What would it mean for protesters or even those who organize them? What would it mean to freedom of speech.
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2011-11-30 18:26:54  
Moving to Sweden, brb.
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By slipispsycho 2011-11-30 18:31:41  
Every single day another bit of our freedom is stripped away.. I wouldn't be surprised if in 50 years the US Govt became like the church in 15th century.. Won't even be able to criticize or question the Govt, they'll just rush in and take you out. You'll have to mind every last word you say for fear it might be misinterpreted.
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By Bismarck.Moonlightespada 2011-11-30 18:35:23  
makes me want to say *** it and move to Japan......




and Snt. John McCain makes me embarassed to be from Arizona -,-
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By Judaine 2011-11-30 18:40:15  
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By Cerberus.Tidis 2011-11-30 18:42:59  
America, you crazy.
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By Lakshmi.Mrfrodo 2011-11-30 18:46:45  
Ya im proud of the original ideals of this country (born and raised in the US) but its all gone to crap sadly
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By Asura.Ezrin 2011-11-30 18:50:33  
Better be careful guys, they're probably watching us waiting to take us to Guantanamo Bay.
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By Shiva.Xellith 2011-11-30 18:51:15  
Torture goes on. "indefinite detention" of its own citizens being planned. Police brutality for those expressing their first amendment rights.

America wants to join that axis of evil list so bad.
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By Sylph.Maruraba 2011-11-30 18:52:29  
So, how many of you have taken the initiative and written to your senators and/or the president about it?

If you haven't, don't worry, I'm sure that complaining about it on FFXIAH.com will have an impact.
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By Lakshmi.Mrfrodo 2011-11-30 18:55:20  
To be honest maruraba we can write 1,000,000 letters. if they dont want to change their minds nothing we can do about it, other than attempt (if they dont rig it) is to get them out of office asap.
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By Ragnarok.Shadowknoll 2011-11-30 18:57:56  
so much for the land of the free. however i doubt such a bill will be fully passed.
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By Cerberus.Irohuro 2011-11-30 18:58:50  
Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Moving to Sweden, brb.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-11-30 19:01:39  
Lakshmi.Mrfrodo said: »
To be honest maruraba we can write 1,000,000 letters. if they dont want to change their minds nothing we can do about it, other than attempt (if they dont rig it) is to get them out of office asap.

The voice of the people can in fact be heard. Did you see what happened to SOPA?

People aren't politically active enough. When they are, things change.

We must stop waiting for people to save us from ourselves, and pull ourselves up out of our own mess.
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By Lakshmi.Mrfrodo 2011-11-30 19:04:16  
Dont get me wrong, i think people should protest things like this and others, but i personally dont have a ton of faith in our elected officails. They are out for themselves and their own interests not all of the time but most of the time.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Yomisha 2011-11-30 19:12:23  
Yes, many of us want change. Yes, the voice of many can make changes. And yes, "complaining" about it on ffxiah.com will not make those changes. But there's nothing wrong with having a discussion about these issues wherever we please. Thanks for the advice though. >.>
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-11-30 19:21:15  
Lakshmi.Mrfrodo said: »
Dont get me wrong, i think people should protest things like this and others, but i personally dont have a ton of faith in our elected officails. They are out for themselves and their own interests not all of the time but most of the time.

Oh, I don't disagree with that at all!

I truly believe though that on average, people are not particularly politically motivated. We have got to work to make the system work!
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By Sylph.Maruraba 2011-11-30 19:26:41  
@Yomisha: I wasn't saying that complaining on FFXIAH was a bad idea. I am saying that ONLY doing that and not taking an active role in opposing bad legislation is.

And like Mrfrodo, I agree that our government sometimes does things on their own without real consideration of what the people want. However, even though doing something can be futile, it can change things. Doing nothing will never change anything.

Let's be constructive: If you're a U.S. citizen, then look up your senator and tell them you oppose that provision. I'll even give you the link, and most of them even have web forms to email them. If they get a huge volume of mail on the subject, they might think twice about voting for this kind of nonsense.

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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2011-11-30 19:29:42  
John McCain is involved, why am I not surprised.

Obama better veto this ***. I'm going to write him an email now to make sure.

Let's see if he writes back. So far all the gov't officials I have written emails to, at the very least write back.
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By Lakshmi.Mrfrodo 2011-11-30 19:38:33  
i think theres a petition somewhere for it, if i can find it ill post a link. if someone else can find it thatd work too
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2011-11-30 19:42:05  
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
John McCain is involved, why am I not surprised.

Obama better veto this ***. I'm going to write him an email now to make sure.
I'm starting to think it's entirely a trap.

If Obama vetos it, GOP will rise up and *** about him not supporting the military.

If Obama doesn't veto it... well it pretty much lets them paint him as a Constitution trampling dictator but even my little faith in Obama will be strained.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-11-30 19:45:57  
Senate Votes To Let Military Detain Americans Indefinitely, White House Threatens Veto
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WASHINGTON -- The Senate voted Tuesday to keep a controversial provision to let the military detain terrorism suspects on U.S. soil and hold them indefinitely without trial -- prompting White House officials to reissue a veto threat.

Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
John McCain is involved, why am I not surprised.

Obama better veto this ***. I'm going to write him an email now to make sure.
I'm starting to think it's entirely a trap.

If Obama vetos it, GOP will rise up and *** about him not supporting the military.

If Obama doesn't veto it... well it pretty much lets them paint him as a Constitution trampling dictator but even my little faith in Obama will be strained.

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Fortunately, President Obama has threatened to veto the Defense Authorization Act. Republicans, especially the gang competing for their party’s presidential nomination, will jump all over him if he does that.

Don’t be fooled by their fear-mongering. The act does not actually allocate money for the military. The appropriations bill does that. Mr. Obama can use his veto power without hurting the military. In fact, our national security depends to a very real extent on him keeping his word.

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By Bismarck.Patrik 2011-11-30 19:50:43  
maybe in 2012 America will just freak out so much about terrorists being under every rock in every country and just nuke everything >.>

as stupid as what i just said sounds, i almost wouldn't be surprised sometimes...
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Every single day another bit of our freedom is stripped away.. I wouldn't be surprised if in 50 years the US Govt became like the church in 15th century.. Won't even be able to criticize or question the Govt, they'll just rush in and take you out. You'll have to mind every last word you say for fear it might be misinterpreted.
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By Lakshmi.Mrfrodo 2011-11-30 20:27:45  
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America 2012 will be much better off than the path it is on atm.

Also, this bill has a benefit cuz it brings countries closer.

how does it bring countries closer together? because we could arrest anyone we want for no reason like china?
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-11-30 20:32:16  
I hate the wall street protesters, yeah I know protesting has been a part of America since the beginning , but 1/2 the protesters these days don't even know what they're protesting, Its been a while now, and i still barely even know what there protesting, "corporations are not people", is all ive heard.

Also, why cant our police force handle this? >_> or better yet get this guy...............

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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-11-30 20:33:15  
that movie clip is more relevant then i thought....
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-11-30 20:50:06  
Sylph.Maruraba said: »
So, how many of you have taken the initiative and written to your senators and/or the president about it? If you haven't, don't worry, I'm sure that complaining about it on FFXIAH.com will have an impact.


I'm not complaining, I am letting other people see what is happening because main stream media fails to even mention this. So before you try and assume complaining is all I am doing. Consider this please, If I just write to congress and don't spread the word what would just one letter do? Now if I write to them and spread the word it makes a much bigger impact if I tell everyone I know. Then those people in turn write congress and spread the word and do the same. Then those people and so forth.

Don't assume all I'm doing is complaining I'm willing to sacrifice, protest and even fight to get things back on track with this country. But this is something we need to do without violence here even if we are willing to fight for it.


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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes. ... Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness: only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate: only love can do that.

~ Dr. Martin Luther King ~

What worries me is this, the goverment or corporations that fund the goverment get sick of our protests. Some how they find a way to enact martial law. The military then polices major cities and anyone demonstrated can be legally taken away and thrown in a prison camp and have no rights basically. Cops are already abusing people for protesting with their own first ammendment rights. If things turn violent it will give them a reason to do this.
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-11-30 20:52:05  
The country is too large and diverse to hold under martial law. it can't happen. that doesnt mean bad stuff doesnt happen, but it slowly gets fixed.
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