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 Bismarck.Selzak
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By Bismarck.Selzak 2011-12-01 12:27:35  
Siren.Kyte said: »
Why would you think that.
Because apparently I'm dumb and didn't know for sure if this was the case or not with MS:

Fenrir.Skarwind said: »
It only crit because of Mighty Strikes. It's noncrit
Thanks. Slightly disappointing but I'm sure that would have been super overpowered.

If nothing else, it's an awesome Souleater WS in between Torcleavers (and I'm sure it has other strengths too).
By volkom 2011-12-01 12:31:47  
So... its a pretty much a decent multi-hit weaponskill that seems good in and outside abyssea?
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-12-01 12:37:59  
volkom said: »
So... its a pretty much a decent multi-hit weaponskill that seems good in and outside abyssea?

Should blow any non-relic\emp ws away atleast lol
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-01 12:38:57  
>Read WS description
>No mention of ability to crit

HEY GUYS CAN IT CRIT?

*** 2005 in here.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-12-01 12:40:02  
Cba to read through all the threads regarding this, but are the skillchain props of gs\scythe ws known yet?
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-12-01 12:40:47  
It should honestly be even with torcleaver on some levels.

The Pro with using a multihit weaponskill is this.

When that 95% Accuracy Cap kicks in you arent whiffing your whole weaponskill. Just the first hit.

Double Attack turns this into a 6(7 on a Triple in Abyssea) hit weaponskill :o

With some luck you can max out at 8 hits.(Rare though)

If the damage is equal to torcleaver I'd just use Tor for the aftermath and spam a multihit.
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By Bismarck.Selzak 2011-12-01 12:42:53  
My takeaway so far:

Scythes are unchanged.
Greatswords are significantly boosted. (except Caladbolg)

Ragnarok seems like it'd be effected most, right?


Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
>Read WS description
>No mention of ability to crit

HEY GUYS CAN IT CRIT?

*** 2005 in here.
I'm not on the Test Server/Didn't read the description for Resolution. Please forgive me friendly poster.
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By Cerberus.Kvazz 2011-12-01 12:44:58  
Bismarck.Selzak said: »
My takeaway so far:

Scythes are unchanged.
Greatswords are significantly boosted. (except Caladbolg)

I dont really care if the scythe ws doesnt do amazing dmg, having a way to recover mp vs mobs that dont have mp, is very welcome in my book.
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By Bismarck.Selzak 2011-12-01 12:46:07  
Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Bismarck.Selzak said: »
My takeaway so far:

Scythes are unchanged.
Greatswords are significantly boosted. (except Caladbolg)

I dont really care if the scythe ws doesnt do amazing dmg, having a way to recover mp vs mobs that dont have mp, is very welcome in my book.
I do like the idea of being able to recover both HP and MP with an Apocalypse. Just seems enjoyable.
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-12-01 12:47:25  
Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Bismarck.Selzak said: »
My takeaway so far: Scythes are unchanged. Greatswords are significantly boosted. (except Caladbolg)
I dont really care if the scythe ws doesnt do amazing dmg, having a way to recover mp vs mobs that dont have mp, is very welcome in my book.

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By Fenrir.Kendraian 2011-12-01 13:15:43  
Resolution is a win.
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By Fenrir.Kendraian 2011-12-01 13:19:37  
Cerberus.Kvazz said: »
Cba to read through all the threads regarding this, but are the skillchain props of gs\scythe ws known yet?

(idk about skillchain properites i just mix and hope XD) But yes DRK has access to self Darkness now using Spiral scythe < Entorpe or w.e so Ive never been good with SC properties but Ent.. New Scythe WS looks like Gravitation.

As for GS i've made Fragmentation if i remember correctly back to the test server!
By volkom 2011-12-01 13:21:49  
be cool if you could do it fast enough...
(just for looks)

resolution -> torcleaver.

lets say you're a mithra..and when you do that flip at the end is when you do a torcleaver...
By volkom 2011-12-01 13:27:55  
whats the modifiers for this weaponskill anyways >.>?
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-12-01 13:39:14  
Resolution - str
If that's what you were asking~
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By Fenrir.Kendraian 2011-12-01 13:49:51  
So heres my data on Scythe WS: I did a total of 6 WS (3 without any +attributes and 3 with only +20 INT) This was all in Ru'Ann Gardens on The magic pot type mobs:

#1 Entropy 1277
#2 Entropy 1317
#3 Entropy 924 (and i found a scroll of Burst :O!)

Without any mods my Avg. Was 1172.66 dmg

w/ +20 INT
#1 Entropy 1315
#2 Entropy 1472
#3 Entropy 1322

With +20 INT mod my Avg. was 1369.66

+20 INT gave me basically a +14.3% increase on DMG
This was done with 5/5 Entropy. More testing probably needed cause the no mod entropy 924 kinda looks like i missed 1 hit. but just a little rough estimate for those who had hope for Scythe (/cry...)
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-02 01:10:19  
From testing, Resolution appears to have a 1.0 http://fTP. Accounting for all hits, that makes it equivalent to a 5.0 fTP WS given its 5 hits, and it also has a 100% STR mod. It's unquestionably superior to Torcleaver in per-WS damage.

I'll test Entropy tomorrow, Recover MP effect included.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-12-02 01:22:27  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
>Read WS description
>No mention of ability to crit

HEY GUYS CAN IT CRIT?

*** 2005 in here.
lol. How did I miss this gem of a post?
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-12-02 01:32:49  
For some reason my Resolutions were doing 1K-2K at points, WTF? And my Entropy WS Damage was a little more consistent...I'll post some sample WS screens soon
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By Diabolos.Raelia 2011-12-02 01:33:05  
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
For some reason my Resolutions were doing 1K-2K at points, WTF? And my Entropy WS Damage was a little more consistent...I'll post some sample WS screens soon
Accuracy.

Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
equivalent to a 5.0 fTP WS given its 5 hits, and it also has a 100% STR mod. It's unquestionably superior to Torcleaver in per-WS damage.
Not while you have to see about capping accuracy on any given target, per above. Superior in potential sure, but not likely in application and definitely not on hard (HNM/VW) targets.

TP Bonus earring bumps Torcleaver to 5.0 even, and it only scales further from there.

Funny how quickly people forget about the golden age of Guillotine and how to gear for multihits. Torcleaver has coddled you all.

Still continuing my bitchfest tirade on the official forums to see if I can get SE to make Entropy an eight hit WS (two hits per swing). With an INT mod it wouldn't be that overpowered actually, for the same reasons as above on an even more extreme level, but oh to have those e-peen Souleater shots...
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-12-02 01:52:07  
Ahh, so Resolution is modified by Accuracy? That's interesting, I missed that detail I guess...

but here was what I was getting just now, atmas being RR Apoc A&O, Last Resort up, 5/5 merits on each WS



Something was wrong on with my Resolution damage for sure, so Accuracy may have been the problem...but somehow I made Entropy worthwhile to have merited anyway
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-02 01:53:31  
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Not while you have to see about capping accuracy on any given target, per above. Superior in potential sure, but not likely in application and definitely not on hard (HNM/VW) targets.

TP Bonus earring bumps Torcleaver to 5.0 even, and it only scales further from there.

Funny how quickly people forget about the golden age of Guillotine and how to gear for multihits. Torcleaver has coddled you all.

Still continuing my bitchfest tirade on the official forums to see if I can get SE to make Entropy an eight hit WS (two hits per swing). With an INT mod it wouldn't be that overpowered actually, for the same reasons as above on an even more extreme level, but oh to have those e-peen Souleater shots...
Resolution is also Damage varies with TP, though I'm unsure of the fTP at 200/300 since I decided to call it a night after testing the fTP at 100.

Given that I spend a lot of my melee time using Chant du Cygne on Voidwatch NMs, I'm not sure you can really say that I've been "coddled" with regards to accuracy and single-hit WS. You can put together a set like this:



(note: not all items in slot may be optimal)

which only swaps 3 slots for accuracy options (body/hands/waist). I'm sacrificing 9 STR and 39 attack (including gains from STR) for about 60 accuracy and a total accuracy score (accouting for skill, traits, job DEX) that is actually slightly higher than my BLU accuracy sets, which I'm pretty sure are overkill for T3 Voidwatch content... Are you really prepared to assert that the loss of 9 STR and 39 attack breaks this WS?

EDIT: fixed some slots/values
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-12-02 01:54:24  
Where do people get this crap about acc being a mod?
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-12-02 01:55:52  
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Where do people get this crap about acc being a mod?
I noticed my first two Resolutions were absolutely craptastic with Heafoc Mitts on (1K), so I changed those out with DRK AF+2 Hands and they did much better. So Accuracy has to affect hitrate

Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Funny how quickly people forget about the golden age of Guillotine and how to gear for multihits. Torcleaver has coddled you all.

At first I figured Razed Ruins would cap my hitrate anyway, so that's why I was stumped. You are right though, I guess we do have to gear for accuracy again lol
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-02 01:56:45  
"Mods" are base stats such as STR, DEX, etc that contribute to WSC. Accuracy is not a mod, accuracy is the stat that affects your hitrate.
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-12-02 02:00:44  
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Where do people get this crap about acc being a mod?
So Accuracy has to affect hitrate
Duh?
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-12-02 02:02:43  
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Ramuh.Austar said: »
Where do people get this crap about acc being a mod?
I noticed my first two Resolutions were absolutely craptastic with Heafoc Mitts on (1K), so I changed those out with DRK AF+2 Hands and they did much better. So Accuracy has to affect hitrate

Diabolos.Raelia said: »
Funny how quickly people forget about the golden age of Guillotine and how to gear for multihits. Torcleaver has coddled you all.

At first I figured Razed Ruins would cap my hitrate anyway, so that's why I was stumped. You are right though, I guess we do have to gear for accuracy again lol
If you're not capping hitrate in Abyssea at 99 with Razed Ruins, you're either somehow doing it inconceivably wrong or the WS has the accuracy penalty of *** Heavy Strike. Come on, we barely even worried about accuracy in Abyssea at 90...
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-12-02 02:02:52  
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Where do people get this crap about acc being a mod?
So Accuracy has to affect hitrate
Duh?

lol it's 3:00 AM and I just finished compiling that image, forgive me if that sounded like a dumb statement :P
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By Asura.Arkanethered 2011-12-02 02:03:02  
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
Ramuh.Austar said: »
Where do people get this crap about acc being a mod?
I noticed my first two Resolutions were absolutely craptastic with Heafoc Mitts on (1K), so I changed those out with DRK AF+2 Hands and they did much better. So Accuracy has to affect hitrate

Once upon a time.... People used Accuracy on multi-hits.


Crazy I know.
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-12-02 02:06:24  
Fenrir.Nightfyre said: »
Leviathan.Quetzacoatl said: »
At first I figured Razed Ruins would cap my hitrate anyway, so that's why I was stumped. You are right though, I guess we do have to gear for accuracy again lol
If you're not capping accuracy in Abyssea at 99 with Razed Ruins, you're either somehow doing it inconceivably wrong or the WS has the accuracy penalty of *** Heavy Strike. Come on, we barely even worried about accuracy in Abyssea at 90...
It's probably the gear I was wearing; I'll post what I used for my tests. My skill was capped with full GS Merits, which is another reason why I went "WTF" at first...I need to look up reference for what everyone else was using too
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