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New Greatsword WS
 Shiva.Gib
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By Shiva.Gib 2011-11-29 14:17:03
Quetzalcoatl.Neisan said: »in all honesty I thought DRK was gonna become bandwagon with the Last Resort enhancement. DRK will never be bandwagon in the way that WAR/SAM/MNK/NIN have been unless they fix the fundamental disparity between job and game design.
Also, DRK will never be bandwagon because it does less than 4k dmg on avarage inside abyssea. yeah, everyone crys about DRK abyssea damage, like doing 3k Tors. Everyone forgets when you go outside you're STILL doing 3k Tors, and those Nins are doing 800 Blade Hi's :P
Oh yeah not to mention doing Crit Hit's for like 800-1200 Outside of abyssea with Aftermath on, I hate how quickly people disregard DRK <_<
How did anyone miss this. Oh you're not averaging 3k Tors outside either. High 2ks, yes, I did a 3.8 in Einherjar last Friday, I must be lying though.
also Normal 90 Cald hits for about 200-300, Crits are about 400-600, so yes, double damage aftermath on crits, 800-1200 is totally BS, clearly.
By volkom 2011-11-29 14:17:42
can do 2.5k crits in abyssea
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By Fenrir.Leoheart 2011-11-29 14:20:49
a troll is obviously the thing living underneath the bridge. Wonder if they get wi-fi down there.
You only get trolls in skyrim :3
By volkom 2011-11-29 14:23:23
a troll is obviously the thing living underneath the bridge. Wonder if they get wi-fi down there.
You only get trolls in skyrim :3 there's a troll in LoL
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-11-29 14:27:29
Quetzalcoatl.Neisan said: »in all honesty I thought DRK was gonna become bandwagon with the Last Resort enhancement. DRK will never be bandwagon in the way that WAR/SAM/MNK/NIN have been unless they fix the fundamental disparity between job and game design. Also, DRK will never be bandwagon because it does less than 4k dmg on avarage inside abyssea. yeah, everyone crys about DRK abyssea damage, like doing 3k Tors. Everyone forgets when you go outside you're STILL doing 3k Tors, and those Nins are doing 800 Blade Hi's :P Oh yeah not to mention doing Crit Hit's for like 800-1200 Outside of abyssea with Aftermath on, I hate how quickly people disregard DRK <_< How did anyone miss this. Oh you're not averaging 3k Tors outside either. High 2ks, yes, I did a 3.8 in Einherjar last Friday, I must be lying though. also Normal 90 Cald hits for about 200-300, Crits are about 400-600, so yes, double damage aftermath on crits, 800-1200 is totally BS, clearly.
I was going to field this for you but you beat me to it. I landed ~3200 torcleavers on Celeano. I couldn't do it consistantly to save my life if it were some of the jeuno path but it's still post-abyssea content.
Also, he said "drk is pretty much always useless" 3 posts later. I figured everyone would ignore him after that disastrous hyperbole.
By volkom 2011-11-29 14:29:18
from a melee standpoint (just melee hits, not weaponskills/spells/etc)
doesn't drk stand out on top?
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By Bismarck.Markas 2011-11-29 14:31:58
from a melee standpoint (just melee hits, not weaponskills/spells/etc)
doesn't drk stand out on top? would be interested to find out being as i havent leveled my drk though i have always been facinated with the numbers that a good one can put out.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-11-29 14:33:55
all I read was 'Hey guys, you're all excited about DRK's new WS? DRK is still crap! NIN is better! you mad bros?' You didn't read my post then.
I read troll bait basically saying unless you have a 95 relic DRK is unless. k? Having a high-caliber weapon would be a more accurate summation, I just personally chose to go straight for Apoc for myself since it has the greatest overall impact (output/survivability/gear flexibility) and relics are now substantially less time-consuming to obtain.
Ragnarok.Ashman
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By Ragnarok.Ashman 2011-11-29 14:35:06
from a melee standpoint (just melee hits, not weaponskills/spells/etc) doesn't drk stand out on top?
I think the "hard to balance acc/haste/stp" makes drks tp phase a problem as well. It would depend on the situation. I could probably hit 1200 attack torcleavers on voidwrought, but I'm not sure I'd hit consistantly.
Drk is not an easy job to pickup and go. If you aren't going to gear it properly I wouldn't even level it (i'm sure half the community will tell you not to level it anyhow).
Shiva.Gib
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By Shiva.Gib 2011-11-29 14:37:15
from a melee standpoint (just melee hits, not weaponskills/spells/etc)
doesn't drk stand out on top? I would think so, I can cap out 999 attack fairly easy with food and COR *I'm about 840'ish in TP gear and Red Curry Buns*, add in 25.6% haste on gear and an extra 25% from last Resort and haste I swing GS as fast as a decently geared PLD swings a normal sword.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-11-29 14:41:49
999 isn't the attack cap, especially not on almost any current generation NM
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Shiva.Gib
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By Shiva.Gib 2011-11-29 14:44:27
Valefor.Prothescar said: »999 isn't the attack cap, especially not on almost any current generation NM well I mean when I click on 'Equipment' thats what is says attack is :P
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-11-29 14:49:10
Display limitations, still not a functional cap.
from a melee standpoint (just melee hits, not weaponskills/spells/etc)
doesn't drk stand out on top? If you're not having to use a more accuracy-based set then potentially yes, barring Retaliation/Counter damage. Depends on weapon and x-hit.
Phoenix.Seshu
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By Phoenix.Seshu 2011-11-29 15:27:16
I agree, holy sweet baby jesus that looks awesome!
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-11-29 15:46:45
Stop trollin' Nightfyre, god.
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By Fenrir.Skarwind 2011-11-29 15:55:07
I'd say anyone even mentioning using any spells Absorb-TP included would be the one that doesnt understand DRK.
90% of the time its an utterly useless spell and you are better off just swinging and Weaponskilling, especially when you are fully buffed with Haste and Marches.
With that said, I watched that video like 5 times in a row WS looks bad ***, almost makes me regret uninstalling the game :O
I will carry the torch for ye. Atleast when I'm not on WAR. When I put on Dethklok and change to DRK it's all for you man.
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 Cerberus.Detzu
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2011-11-29 17:03:15
People still believe DRK sucks... that's weird.
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By Siren.Thoraeon 2011-11-29 17:24:23
People still believe DRK doesn't suck... that's weird. fixed
Ragnarok.Nekonarf
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By Ragnarok.Nekonarf 2011-11-29 17:30:31
Going to laugh if all the multi-hit WS are actually based as 1 hit, just like relic weapon skills with multiple hits in the animation.
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By GraddHelian 2011-11-29 17:34:30
Unless your world completely revolves around Abyssea and you never do anything outside, DRK is far from Sucking.
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By Fenrir.Nightfyre 2011-11-29 17:38:17
Here we go again...
Ramuh.Austar
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By Ramuh.Austar 2011-11-29 17:45:34
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By GraddHelian 2011-11-29 17:47:54
Should I rephrase it? DRK sucks as long as the proc system remains in the game, as far as Damage goes though its not a bad job.
As far as things like Voidwatch goes, WAR will always have more utility due to being able to proc more things.
Cerberus.Taint
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By Cerberus.Taint 2011-11-29 18:35:47
Should I rephrase it? DRK sucks as long as the proc system remains in the game, as far as Damage goes though its not a bad job. As far as things like Voidwatch goes, WAR will always have more utility due to being able to proc more things.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-11-29 18:52:16
When they revive the old content (Neo Nyzul and such), drk will do fine.
By GraddHelian 2011-11-29 19:01:47
When they revive the old content (Neo Nyzul and such), drk will do fine.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-11-29 19:04:08
By volkom 2011-11-29 19:04:15
too many drk haters
By GraddHelian 2011-11-29 19:08:05
Thank *** god, Proc system is seriously one of the bigger reasons im not bothering with XI anymore. It forces you to play certain jobs and that really ruins the game for people when they cant play what they want imo.
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By Asura.Ludoggy 2011-11-29 19:09:19
It forces you to play certain jobs and that really ruins the game for people when they cant play what they want imo. That wasn't happening before the proc system or anything P:
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