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By Optixx 2011-11-21 01:44:27  
Just got DEX+5 / Attk +7 / WS DMG +2. My question is, does ocelot/mkd head out perform this? (For hi)
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-11-21 02:49:48  
Well with MKD you can get WS dmg+2 and crit dmg+2, for a (for all intensive purposes for hi) WS dmg+4, cuz its a crit WS...
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By Bahamut.Gimpness 2011-11-21 03:43:30  
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Well with MKD you can get WS dmg+2 and crit dmg+2, for a (for all intents and purposes for hi) WS dmg+4, cuz its a crit WS...

only if it crits, so if you're outside of abyssea shura would more than likely be better. If it's hq then you can get another 1%, for 3% ws damage, making shura better in most cases. I can't show you the math, but I'm sure it's in the Blade: Hi Thread
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-11-21 05:09:09  
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Well with MKD you can get WS dmg+2 and crit dmg+2, for a (for all intensive purposes for hi) WS dmg+4, cuz its a crit WS...
Thats not how that works, crit dmg and ws damage are not additive. They follow different steps in a procedure, thus have their own gains and dimishing returns. It would be like saying an nq staff(+10ice mag att) + 10mab item is the same as an item with 20MAB.
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By Optixx 2011-11-21 05:47:54  
I had 1 hq3 with vit +2, ws dmg +3 and conserve tp +6. I just didnt see it being better than the one I had already
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-11-21 08:13:25  
Well ya gimp, if it crits ya, but more than likely, your crit rate on hi is gonna be pretty high... I didn't realize they weren't additive though.. Hito, how does the exact math work then? Cuz I thought that was how it worked (additive as opposed to anything else)... /shrug my bad y'all
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By Bahamut.Gimpness 2011-11-22 19:24:52  
Odin.Hitoseijuro said: »
Odin.Eikechi said: »
Well with MKD you can get WS dmg+2 and crit dmg+2, for a (for all intents and purposes for hi) WS dmg+4, cuz its a crit WS...
Thats not how that works, crit dmg and ws damage are not additive. They follow different steps in a procedure, thus have their own gains and dimishing returns. It would be like saying an nq staff(+10ice mag att) + 10mab item is the same as an item with 20MAB.

well, hi is a single hit, no? or i guess considering offhand... eh D: don't mind me >_>;

edit: and i thought this was for outside abyssea :x crit rate shouldn't be all too high.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-11-22 19:52:59  
I was thinking about this the other day, after I posted actually... I'm guessing that the "crit dmg +2%" really refers to +2% of the bonus critting a hit adds, which won't entirely add up nearly as high as WS dmg+ would, which would be additive to the end of the dmg equation for the WS, no?
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By Bahamut.Gimpness 2011-11-22 23:36:22  
From my understanding (I could be completely wrong...) 2% crit damage would be 2% per hit that crits... so if the first hit of hi crits and the second (offhand) hit doesn't crit, then you're only getting the 2% for the first hit that did crit, while weaponskill damage is for both of the hits. say you were going to do 100 damage and had 2% weaponskill damage on shura head, you would now do 102 damage.

Though, that could have been what you said... I didn't really get what you were saying lol.
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By Odin.Hitoseijuro 2011-11-22 23:43:35  
Bahamut.Gimpness said: »
From my understanding (I could be completely wrong...) crit damage is 2% per hit... so if the first hit of hi crits and the second (offhand) hit doesn't crit, then you're only getting the 2% for the first hit that did crit, while weaponskill damage is for both of the hits.

Which means crit damage is dependant on your crit rate %, while ws damage is a straight increase to your overall ws damage.
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By Bahamut.Gimpness 2011-11-22 23:49:11  
Right :x that's what i meant...
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-11-23 00:59:54  
Well I knew that Hito, but doesn't hi have like a +25% crit rate at 100 TP or some crap? dDex + merits = another +15 even outside aby no? 40% chance without other crit gear is kinda nice if those numbers are accurate (honestly the dDex one was just a ballpark, and I had HEARD hi was like 25 or so at 100)
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By Odin.Zelphes 2011-11-23 01:03:42  
Think Hi has 15% innate crit rate @100 TP.
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-11-23 01:17:48  
ok, thats still not so bad.. sup Z :P
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By Odin.Zelphes 2011-11-23 01:28:25  
/wave
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By Odin.Eikechi 2011-11-23 01:40:09  
I'm starting to think my MKD helm isn't as strong as it used to be lol. That Shura +1 with 3% WS dmg + dex + att seems to be the strongest choice, also taking into account, that the dex from the shura will help a lil bit with acc/crit rate.
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By Bahamut.Gimpness 2011-11-23 02:07:32  
getting 3 ws damage and att's gonna suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck :X

if i'm ever able to get back on, I have like 100 tatters stored up waiting to be used ;; (granted, I can't find an hq kabuto... trying to finish ww to make my own -_- but mats for skillups are never on the ah and i'm a lazy ***)
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