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Blue Mage - New Spells (Unbridled Learning)
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-10-14 19:34:56
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »It's not about relying completely on GoH for whisker burning, but if it kills a certain group more efficiently than CW, then why wouldn't you incorporate it into your burns? Killing a pull slightly faster every 5 minutes is still better than killing slightly slower for all your pulls.
thats what thunderbolt is for
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-10-14 19:36:49
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »It's not about relying completely on GoH for whisker burning, but if it kills a certain group more efficiently than CW, then why wouldn't you incorporate it into your burns? Killing a pull slightly faster every 5 minutes is still better than killing slightly slower for all your pulls.
thats what thunderbolt is for
Again, Charged Whisker already one shots every pull. Thunderbolt is less effective than Charged Whisker in terms of damage.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-10-14 20:00:35
How about a situation where you're waiting on recast for Charged Whisker? The recast is over a minute anyway. If you still have buffs on and there's another group of monsters nearby, what's to lose from grabbing more while recast is down? I'd run into this problem quite a few times when I'd have someone opening chests for me during my BLU-cleaves.
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By Asura.Vrytreya 2011-10-14 20:02:40
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »How about a situation where you're waiting on recast for Charged Whisker? The recast is over a minute anyway. If you still have buffs on and there's another group of monsters nearby, what's to lose from grabbing more while recast is down? I'd run into this problem quite a few times when I'd have someone opening chests for me during my BLU-cleaves. Whirl of Rage, Thermal Pulse, Dream Flower again?
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-10-14 20:03:13
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »How about a situation where you're waiting on recast for Charged Whisker? The recast is over a minute anyway. If you still have buffs on and there's another group of monsters nearby, what's to lose from grabbing more while recast is down? I'd run into this problem quite a few times when I'd have someone opening chests for me during my BLU-cleaves.
In these situations it would be appropriate, but neither Thunderbolt nor, presumably, Gates of Hades will ever replace it as Charged Whisker already does the job with maximum efficiency.
Also, Thermal Pulse already fills this gap.
Honestly, a second AoE nuke for our 5 min JA is puzzling. I would have preferred a unique type of spell. Maybe I'm alone in that regard.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-10-14 20:05:33
Thermal Pulse is weaker than CW and requires set points. Even so, it'd be slower than my suggestion in the event that GoH is as strong as CW. I just don't see why people are writing the spell off for BLU-burns when it's a possible welcome addition and not just some "novelty spell".
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-10-14 20:07:23
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Thermal Pulse is weaker than CW and requires set points. Even so, it'd be slower than my suggestion in the event that GoH is as strong as CW. I just don't see why people are writing the spell off for BLU-burns when it's a possible welcome addition and not just some "novelty spell".
What are you losing by putting up 3 set points for Thermal Pulse? 100% of the time when I'm cleaving I have over 20~30 points left just for stat bonuses. I can assure you that losing 1STR and 1DEX isn't diminishing your ability to one shot enemies.
Thunderbolt isn't as strong as Charged Whisker, I have no reason to believe that Gates of Hades will be either.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-10-14 20:10:48
I have reason to believe it. I mean, look at how long the stun duration on Thunderbolt is. It's only natural that they'd jack up either the initial damage or burn damage on Gates of Hades. Either that or they reduce casting time or MP by a ton. But I guess we'll just have to see.
I do agree with you that I'd rather see some kind of unique spell than just some other AoE nuke. There are so many cool abilities that HNMs have.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-10-14 20:13:30
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »I have reason to believe it. I mean, look at how long the stun duration on Thunderbolt is. It's only natural that they'd jack up either the initial damage or burn damage on Gates of Hades. Either that or they reduce casting time or MP by a ton. But I guess we'll just have to see.
I do agree with you that I'd rather see some kind of unique spell than just some other AoE nuke. There are so many cool abilities that HNMs have.
The stun duration isn't really that special, and is meaningless in a burn situation where you could be one shotting the mobs anyways. Same can be said for the burn effect on GoH.
And yes, with the amount of spells possible from HNMs they seem to be having difficulty choosing the ones that would actually be useful.
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2011-10-14 20:14:14
Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »like learning a caturae move
"Mahayaya uses Stygian Sphere."
Chyeeeah!
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2011-10-14 20:37:05
Valefor.Prothescar said: »Thunderbolt isn't as strong as Charged Whisker, I have no reason to believe that Gates of Hades will be either. SE molds spells to what they want to give blu. Look at battery charge. If they want to do a more powerful nuke, they'll balance it that way, if they want it a fire spell, they'll do that, if they want it aoe or single target even if the original is not, they'll do it. If they don't want to be good, they'll nerf the ever living hell out of it in some form or another. ie heavy strike...
By Inuyasha 2011-10-15 01:26:38
Why would you rely on a spell that can only be used once every 5 mins for whisker burning? Additionally, why would you thermal pulse "if you didn't oneshot" - isn't that what the whirl is for? /confused dont waste your time on that fool, he doesnt know what he is talkin about, especially when it comes to playing blu. Terror is lame, I think SE is afraid to give blu flail, don't know why they won't just admit to it. at some point there is going to be a freak resist or something...its more of a "just in case you dont" not a "your going to so why not"
I know how to play my BLU btw, been playing since the 75 cap and ive become quite good at knowing how to get those Epeen numbers.
so: before you comment on "lulzinu" know what/who the *** your talking about.
anyway, more on topic, if they gave us Flail it'd prolly have an extreme accuracy problem or get reduced by number of targets like 1000 needles :|
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-10-15 01:28:11
i know your a scrub, so does the rest of the server.
By Inuyasha 2011-10-15 01:39:38
i know your a scrub, so does the rest of the server. and the rest of the server also knows that your a whiney ***~ but im not going to derail to rub your ego~
anyway:
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »like learning a caturae move "Mahayaya uses Stygian Sphere." Chyeeeah!
this would be awesome :9
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-10-15 02:00:15
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »How about a situation where you're waiting on recast for Charged Whisker? The recast is over a minute anyway. If you still have buffs on and there's another group of monsters nearby, what's to lose from grabbing more while recast is down? I'd run into this problem quite a few times when I'd have someone opening chests for me during my BLU-cleaves.
i just open with t-bolt then cw every pull, nothing should survive that.
i know your a scrub, so does the rest of the server. and the rest of the server also knows that your a whiney ***~ but im not going to derail to rub your ego~
yeah nice try, unlike you i dont actively create drama and get kicked from linkshells, so the server rly doesnt know me.
By Inuyasha 2011-10-15 02:05:01
Caitsith.Mahayaya said: »How about a situation where you're waiting on recast for Charged Whisker? The recast is over a minute anyway. If you still have buffs on and there's another group of monsters nearby, what's to lose from grabbing more while recast is down? I'd run into this problem quite a few times when I'd have someone opening chests for me during my BLU-cleaves. i just open with t-bolt then cw every pull, nothing should survive that. i know your a scrub, so does the rest of the server. and the rest of the server also knows that your a whiney ***~ but im not going to derail to rub your ego~ yeah nice try, unlike you i dont actively create drama and get kicked from linkshells, so the server rly doesnt know me. instead you do it here....and whine about linkshell times not conforming to your needs. I dont actively create ***, instead, others follow me around just to create ***. Like i said, im not going to continue with you going on and on about anything and everything that happened ~8 years ago that has changed.
to rerail AGaiN:
What happened to them giving us Fulmination :|
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-10-15 02:15:58
uh actually ive never whined about linkshell times, feel free to try to quote me tho ;) And you do actively create drama, almost everyday. Nothing has changed about you. I was there when you got kicked from slowpoke, great times.
By Inuyasha 2011-10-15 02:30:00
uh actually ive never whined about linkshell times, feel free to try to quote me tho ;) And you do actively create drama, almost everyday. Nothing has changed about you. I was there when you got kicked from slowpoke, great times. ask Brunwulf about it. we had a nice little conversation over it.
do you remember why i got kicked from slowpoke? I dont either....I think it was over some arguement about DNC DD...or something like that...anyway...i didnt actively begin anything in there nor did i try to get kicked from that linkshell but like i said thats in the past.
and before you can try to blather on about the later lets talk about this little conversation right here that YOU STARTED. you say that all i do is instigate drama but on EVERYTHING i post here you magicaly show up with your group of bandwgon *** show up and stretch the topic out 10 or so pages with just nothing but "lolinu". and IM the problem here? whatever logic your using to put together that little arguement needs to be re-examined.
Tl;DR;DU;DGAFIGDIA
before you get topicbanned AGAIN you might want to stop attacking me and start contributing and grow the *** up.
RERAIL:
Theres a couple spells that are reasonably sound that SE hasnt put on the list. when are they going to give us things lik Turtle Song or that Colibri peck move(Edit:Pecking Flurry thats the one!) :|
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2011-10-15 02:36:36
yeah, i dont care, as long as people know not to talk to you because your wrong about everyting, mission accomplished.
brunwulfs einherjar ls? the one that had a gather together at 10 pm and i warped home at midnite? and couldnt even win a t2? yeah, i should have left right away, but i actually stuck around for 15k ichor, got a grand total of 2 feathers, then talked to him, got told 2 hours was fine for a 30 min event, then left.
By Inuyasha 2011-10-15 02:42:03
yeah, i dont care, as long as people know not to talk to you because your wrong about everyting, mission accomplished. brunwulfs einherjar ls? the one that had a gather together at 10 pm and i warped home at midnite? and couldnt even win a t2? yeah, i should have left right away, but i actually stuck around for 15k ichor, got a grand total of 2 feathers, then talked to him, got told 2 hours was fine for a 30 min event, then left. cool, but on most things i am NOT wrong.
and its cool how you downplay all that but when it comes to me getting kicked from linkshells for petty squabbles its totally like i was an utter douche about everything.
RERAIL:
I dont have anything to rerail about...just let Vicious(ss) *** up the topic even more then blame it on me again. He's good at that.feel free to discuss what i posted about and let Vicious(ss) go on and on and on about me.
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By Carbuncle.Wulfshadow 2011-10-15 03:15:53
It smells an awful lot like Shiva in here
Not particularly a pleasant smell from what I've heard
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By Odin.Minefield 2011-10-15 03:22:00
By Inuyasha 2011-10-15 03:24:02
Carbuncle.Wulfshadow said: »It smells an awful lot like Shiva in here Not particularly a pleasant smell from what I've heard let the 8 page derailing officially begin, wulf is here. Just waiting for Flionheart and company and we're all good.
btw: wont be responding, not going to feed you anymore. Surely this'll be followed with a "OMGYUS" but i dont really care what you do to make yourself feel better you're still going to attack me in the next thread so you'll see this repetetive vicious cycle on everything.
you specific people stalk me on these forums and im done with it all. You guys can snack on some other uninformed person that really deserves it.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2011-10-15 03:25:59
You keep saying that you're not going to respond, then a post later you respond anyway. Do everyone who's here about the new BLU spells a favor: stay true to your word and if you really need to continue take this ***to the appropriate channels. Thanks.
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By Inuyasha 2011-10-15 03:30:00
Valefor.Prothescar said: »You keep saying that you're not going to respond, then a post later you respond anyway. Do everyone who's here about the new BLU spells a favor: stay true to your word and if you really need to continue take this ***to the appropriate channels. Thanks. whelp, now im done. The calvalry is coming in to defend their friend~
and as you can see at the end of those other posts i attempted to rerail into the conversation. This time im really done and i havent got anything to contribute further so yea, DONE.
just going to leave this here:
Quote: INB4!:
Absolute Terror- resisted by EVARYTHING!!!
Gates of Hades- like Thunderbolt damagewise and inflicts the normal "Burn" status effect that we get from BLM
Polar Bulwar- it'll be skill based stoneskin from physical attacks like Magic Barrier (not saying its a bad thing...at 99 we'll have upwards of 500ish skill...but the duration is prolly going to be something like 1 minute :| )
Quote: to rerail AGaiN:
What happened to them giving us Fulmination :|
Quote: RERAIL:
Theres a couple spells that are reasonably sound that SE hasnt put on the list. when are they going to give us things lik Turtle Song or that Colibri peck move(Edit:Pecking Flurry thats the one!) :|
Quote: Bismarck.Josiahkf said: »maybe the pixie abilites just by nature have far too much accuracy to make feasible or something hmmm loled at whoever said "I want light blade!" had to look up what that was...
if they did implement a pixie spell...it would definately HAVE to be under Unbridled Learning...and then they'd be all "lulz Regain tiers based on blue magic skill...and guess what...at max skill possible youll only get about 3/tic!"
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By Carbuncle.Wulfshadow 2011-10-15 03:34:15
In response to our immanent hotel-California: Okay, despite the fact that being a blu, I was returning this thread hopeful for constructive and innovative thoughts on the new spells after having read this news earlier to come back today. But if you want to be paranoid that everyone is out to get you after stinking up yet another thread with your server drama, okay by me, and I think I speak for the majority when I say that honestly if you truly are "done with it all" nothing of value will be lost.
Actual BLU talk:
Honestly I would've much preferred something along the lines of Dragon Breath that had a really nice and high modifier for single target spike damage, or something, as what I'm seeing here (bar Bulwark) look like they won't be getting much use. As most people have stated already, expectations are low for GoH, but who knows, maybe it'll give a noticeable DoT effect.
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By Carbuncle.Wulfshadow 2011-10-15 03:38:32
Valefor.Prothescar said: »You keep saying that you're not going to respond, then a post later you respond anyway. Do everyone who's here about the new BLU spells a favor: stay true to your word and if you really need to continue take this ***to the appropriate channels. Thanks.
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By Inuyasha 2011-10-15 03:42:15
Carbuncle.Wulfshadow said: »In response to our immanent hotel-California: Okay, despite the fact that being a blu, I was returning this thread hopeful for constructive and innovative thoughts on the new spells after having read this news earlier to come back today. But if you want to be paranoid that everyone is out to get you after stinking up yet another thread with your server drama, okay by me, and I think I speak for the majority when I say that honestly if you truly are "done with it all" nothing of value will be lost. Actual BLU talk: Honestly I would've much preferred something along the lines of Dragon Breath that had a really nice and high modifier for single target spike damage, or something, as what I'm seeing here (bar Bulwark) look like they won't be getting much use. As most people have stated already, expectations are low for GoH, but who knows, maybe it'll give a noticeable DoT effect. Carbuncle.Wulfshadow said: »Valefor.Prothescar said: »You keep saying that you're not going to respond, then a post later you respond anyway. Do everyone who's here about the new BLU spells a favor: stay true to your word and if you really need to continue take this ***to the appropriate channels. Thanks.
just going to edit my farewell with what i actually contributed,which was actually a good contribution (which if you wouldve read before Viciousss politely stepped in you wouldve seen but of course you only noticed the "server drama"~). Otherwise, you can have your little parade over there. bye ***~
10-14-2011 02:34 PM | Bayohne | Community Rep | |
| Hey blues! Got some tidbits for you about upcoming spells that we're currently looking into adding while under the effects of Unbridled Learning:
Absolute Terror
Gates of Hades
Pyric Bulwark
We'd consider the Pixie special abilities Spring Breeze, Summer Breeze, Autumn Breeze, and Winter Breeze, but they are too powerful, so they are pretty unlikely to be implemented.
We don't have any plans to allow spell Learning in areas that are related to missions and quests that players cannot repeat, so I’m sorry to say that Light Blade will not be added. |
I will be adding this, along with other job updates for October, to the compilation of job adjustments for October topic.
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