Which is better in your opinion and why.
Excalabur
Almace
Burtgang
if you could get one why would you get it, and do you feel its the best?
PLD Relic/mythic/emp Discussion
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Lakshmi.Awsome said: »
Which is better in your opinion and why.
Excalabur
Almace
Burtgang
if you could get one why would you get it, and do you feel its the best?
Excalabur
Almace
Burtgang
if you could get one why would you get it, and do you feel its the best?
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Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Lakshmi.Awsome said: »
Which is better in your opinion and why.
Excalabur
Almace
Burtgang
if you could get one why would you get it, and do you feel its the best?
Excalabur
Almace
Burtgang
if you could get one why would you get it, and do you feel its the best?
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This
As for the "if you could get one and why" part.
Well I have an Almace,and I started a Burtgang back at 75,and its almost done.Maybe I'll do an excalibur after it at some point.
(loltarudin hp)
Excal destroys Almace in the DPS category no comparison. Burtgang is for -66% pdt yo! Dat 300m pdt set
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Sitting around 1800 hp even I'm not sure the 450 damage proc every 10 swings beats almace on any mob currently. Unless they increased the frequenecy or potency.
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Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Sitting around 1800 hp even I'm not sure the 450 damage proc every 10 swings beats almace on any mob currently. Unless they increased the frequenecy or potency.
Lakshmi.Konvict said: »
Excal destroys Almace in the DPS category no comparison. Burtgang is for -66% pdt yo! Dat 300m pdt set
What do you mean 'DPS'? Generally speaking, Almace is significantly better than Excalibur. Higher ODD, and a serious jump in WS damage. Excalibur may overtake it in extremely unfavorable pDIF situations, but pure damage-wise, that's as far as it goes.
The only exception, which is arguably a big deal, is VW, because the chances of a sword proc are fairly high, and that means Almace goes to ***while attempting to proc.
Burtgang is for.. Uh.. I suppose it has utility in dangerous situations while using Aegis, or when Atonement is your best option. Otherwise its still so-so(although significantly better than at 75). It has no purpose if you're using Ochain.
PLD is pretty much ***, because all weapons/shields have uses, and you'd ideally have every last one of them.
Lakshmi.Konvict said: »
Sylph.Systematicchaos said: »
Sitting around 1800 hp even I'm not sure the 450 damage proc every 10 swings beats almace on any mob currently. Unless they increased the frequenecy or potency.
KoR is absolute trash, bonus or no bonus.
Almace is ok outside abyssea but I would prefer Excal. I do anywhere from 200-1.2k~ z blades outside.
All i remember is being 75 and having our Excal PLD outparse our 2 Gugnir DRGs by a sizeable margin on DI. Don't really know what's happened since then, but the numbers are impressive. Too bad the additional effect isnt calculated into enmity (or at least, it wasn't last time i checked).
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Excal is very underrated yeah. Puretoker was doing constant 1.5k KoR against animated shield a few weeks ago. And the additional effect was doing a lot as well.
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Sylph.Comickaze said: »
All i remember is being 75 and having our Excal PLD outparse our 2 Gugnir DRGs by a sizeable margin on DI. Don't really know what's happened since then, but the numbers are impressive. Too bad the additional effect isnt calculated into enmity (or at least, it wasn't last time i checked).
That means your DRGs weren't able to keep actively engaged, or were absolutely awful. Nobody tanking DI does good damage, slashing damage didn't circumvent the reduction IIRC.
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Excalibur is better in a situation where you will switch ochain > Aegis (Loosing TP) or a mob that is strong/immune to slashing.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 66% PDT (maybe more havent seen the 95 version yet), wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.(Edit) Also it brings attonement dmg up to 950 (I think), it's constant and I believe it cannot be resisted so might be a better option hate wise outside abyssea.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 66% PDT (maybe more havent seen the 95 version yet), wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.(Edit) Also it brings attonement dmg up to 950 (I think), it's constant and I believe it cannot be resisted so might be a better option hate wise outside abyssea.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Excalibur is better in a situation where you will switch ochain > Aegis (Loosing TP) or a mob that is strong/immune to slashing.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
You're pretty spot on. Excalibur takes the lead when you can't reliably use CDC.
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Excalibur is better in a situation where you will switch ochain > Aegis (Loosing TP) or a mob that is strong/immune to slashing.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
Lakshmi.Konvict said: »
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Excalibur is better in a situation where you will switch ochain > Aegis (Loosing TP) or a mob that is strong/immune to slashing.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
I can be wrong, I though 95 version gaved you 80% like aegis.Sorry if I'm wrong and forget it.
Corrected...I need sleep.
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Lakshmi.Konvict said: »
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Excalibur is better in a situation where you will switch ochain > Aegis (Loosing TP) or a mob that is strong/immune to slashing.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
I can be wrong, I though 95 version gaved you 80% like aegis.Sorry if I'm wrong and forget it.
Corrected...I need sleep.
Burtgang 95 is 16% PDT-
No extra PDT since 90 was 16% as well :'(
Burtgang. I mean really lol.
You want an item that can actually perform and outperform at serious events. Not a weapon designed for Abyssea or EP content.
Fun is fun, yes. Granted. A trophy is also a trophy regardless. Some with more value than others.
Burtgang's PDT goes over the cap of 50%, which is ridiculous. It also offers a lot of nifty bonus's that reflect paladin very well.
Empyreans up to level 90 can hardly be considered a major accomplishment to rank up there with Mythic(Some legendary hero rewards you with it) and Relic(Relics freaking talk yo, they're like possessed little trinkets of destruction).
You want an item that can actually perform and outperform at serious events. Not a weapon designed for Abyssea or EP content.
Fun is fun, yes. Granted. A trophy is also a trophy regardless. Some with more value than others.
Burtgang's PDT goes over the cap of 50%, which is ridiculous. It also offers a lot of nifty bonus's that reflect paladin very well.
Empyreans up to level 90 can hardly be considered a major accomplishment to rank up there with Mythic(Some legendary hero rewards you with it) and Relic(Relics freaking talk yo, they're like possessed little trinkets of destruction).
Procing sword takes almost no time, it's not like a mystical period of no damage where you'll lose all bonuses Almace provides, especially with Ochain TP gain. Non-Attributable damage/hate is pretty much only useful if you're 3 manning ***WHM/BRD/PLD, otherwise you just need to do enough to keep yourself capped and that is easily maintained with Almace.
Extremely low pDIF has its moments for Excal, yeah, but, in those situations I also can't a) hit the mob or b) it's a special reduction fixed by Tomahawk or nothing or stance etc.
Extremely low pDIF has its moments for Excal, yeah, but, in those situations I also can't a) hit the mob or b) it's a special reduction fixed by Tomahawk or nothing or stance etc.
If you want an item that can actually performs and outperforms at serious events, you'd want a weapon not tied to a WS that deals nerfed damage...
I'll ask my friend if he parses because despite being one hit according to him on VW mobs KOR isn't sucking as badly as I've heard in the past (but it's still not a spectacular WS), would prefer if he could get actual numbers though.
I'll ask my friend if he parses because despite being one hit according to him on VW mobs KOR isn't sucking as badly as I've heard in the past (but it's still not a spectacular WS), would prefer if he could get actual numbers though.
Quiznor said: »
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Lakshmi.Konvict said: »
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Excalibur is better in a situation where you will switch ochain > Aegis (Loosing TP) or a mob that is strong/immune to slashing.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
I can be wrong, I though 95 version gaved you 80% like aegis.Sorry if I'm wrong and forget it.
Corrected...I need sleep.
Burtgang 95 is 16% PDT-
No extra PDT since 90 was 16% as well :'(
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Quiznor said: »
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Lakshmi.Konvict said: »
Cerberus.Vaness said: »
Excalibur is better in a situation where you will switch ochain > Aegis (Loosing TP) or a mob that is strong/immune to slashing.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
If you don't switch shields AT ALL then DMG wise Almace is better.
Then you have burtgang that is a "luxury" gives you 80% PDT, wich can be extreamly nice in situations where stuffs hits like a truck.Aka only voidwatch now I believe.
I'm not a PLD expert so don't quote me I could be very wrong it's just my opinion.
I can be wrong, I though 95 version gaved you 80% like aegis.Sorry if I'm wrong and forget it.
Corrected...I need sleep.
Burtgang 95 is 16% PDT-
No extra PDT since 90 was 16% as well :'(
I just hope 99 (or future trials after the initial 99 upgrade maybe) make everything better :(
I honestly wouldn't bash Almace even on T3 jeuno/zilart. Since you should be hitting plenty of weaknesses for drops you have a huge supply of Stalwarts, Champions, Bravers, Monarchs, and most importantly Dusty Wings. Regain atmacites also help with TP gain.
How well does Excal procs do on t3's? Full damage?
How well does Excal procs do on t3's? Full damage?
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