"Gimp"

You're gimp because you're still 75, don't be silly~

Yeah that's true too.
But I must admit, I'm fairly bad-*** for being 75 ;3
Though sky and sea access would certainly help.

gimmmpppp~ :3

I probably look like this guy to most of you.



But one thing you'll overlook is how damned happy he is.

It's ok, you can be that guy.

I used to use wise grip, but I prefer the wizzan grip. However, if a blm is using a Bugard +1 or a Wise strap, it hardly makes them gimp. When you have Blm's nuking in Seraph Mittens, however, they're gimped (saw this in WoE earlier, true story).

I definitely consider myself gimp, on all jobs and both characters :(
I don't even have any atmas on my main (only one on my alt), i've not beaten any Abyssea zone bosses or any of that stuff. I have no 5/5 empy armour+1... let alone any +2.

I never, ever participate in a party so my gimpness has zero effect on anyone but myself though.

I am considering quitting due to not being able to achieve the things I would like to (solo or duo with my also gimp fiance).

gimp

Gimp doesn't mean sub-optimal. It means you're a hindrance. You're a load. You actually make things worse by being there. Gimp isn't having a magian weapon other than an empyrean or not having full +2 or whatever Voidwatch supposedly drops.

Someone running Abyssea, for example, in Perle or +1 AF3 and a normal magian weapon is not gimp. In fact, when we all first started Abyssea what were we running it in? Oh? It can be done successfully in older 75-cap gear and perle/aurore/teal? It can be done in the gear it's designed to replace? Imagine that.

Can someone explain me this part pls ?

The last time i saw something about it, you only had to compare the bonus given by the grip itself, so it was 1 INT VS 0.3 MAB.

If you add the dmg of the grip + the frequency of the other gear, it's not 1 INT vs 1.6 MAB but "1.3 MAB + 1 INT" (your settup w/ the INT +1 grip) VS "1.6 mab" (your settup w/ the critical magic grip), and it's not the same story >_>

(w/o mention that the af 3+2 enhance the critical dmg so the numbers are wrong, and w/o mention that we should work on the INT +3 grip now)

Yeah it's crazy - sometimes you can't even see a difference between how another person plays compared to you, and yet they just seem to be able to get things done at a much faster rate. Though, I am sure that people like volkom mentioned exist, too.

Agree with Celestius.

I'll never understand the following:

People who can not read the chat log, or don't bother to read the chat log.
People who consistently fail to understand hate/enmity mechanics, especially when playing a job with volatile hate potential, like RNG, DRK, or BLM.
People who don't understand how to balance their chat filters during battle. Ya know, so you can see when Gates of Hades is being used, or when Meteor is being targeted on someone outside your party, but inside your alliance (just a couple examples).

I don't care much for this arguement but of course we're allowed to have a difference of opinion. I feel that there is a larger population of people who "know they could be doing things the proper way, and have the ability/time to get it, yet choose not to" and an ever greater element of the people who say "it's they're $12 a month, let them do it wrong.".

If you started a month ago, it's your first 90, and you can't even afford half the gear you're an innate gimp. You're a hinderance because you're less than 75% as effective as "the average" if we're talking the expectations of a reasonable player. Sadly, as i said the "passing grade" for what is average seems to have shifted from a C+ to a D-.
The converse is the "intentional gimp". You're on a job you play at least an hour 3-4 days a week. You have 2-3 million+ in your wallet. You have a group who has run the shitty endgame content over and over that we now accept, and yet: you're wearing aurore. You still use that x/y piece that was obsolete 2-3 months ago and you make half assed excuses to justify your nostalgia/attachment to said piece. I still see *** people wearing ohat full time..... Now it's one thing to be that guy. I refuse to buy ele staves for mages after retiring them. The difference is that I am literally only on those jobs to level them to the next cap, or "we need x job for a sec and you're the only hope we have of getting this done atm"
The "intentional gimp" i have a problem with is the guy who won't admit it. "I know that this 7-hit is just as viable as a 5-hit because i've tested". We had a kid who said that "Hagun still holds up, i've tested it" at 85 cap. I ***you not. That's why the term is overused. It's overallowed now. If you say "don't laugh at my gear", we're cool. Wear *** treat staves and yukatas for all I care.... Just don't try and pretend you're not "hindering" the group by doing so. And don't make excuses for those people either. If I was selling you a car that performs at 100% for the same price as the car thats 60%, stop acting like it's acceptable to take the 60.

I see the word gimp thrown around a lot(maybe because I am), but it seems like overkill when it's used non-stop. I see a few people using it, and it just leads me back to the theory that insecure people need to tear down others to make themselves feel bigger. Or, they dive head-first into this game and devote perhaps a little too much attention to it, and feel anyone else who doesn't commit 110% like they do to be gimp and completely worthless.

Frankly, it's downright hilarious how inappropriately the word gets thrown around. I was leveling DRG in an Aby party once, just hit 73, wearing crappy but level appropriate gear, and this NIN comes along and starts giving me crap about being gimp, because my WS were hitting for crap damage and I got a ruby light. "Nice ruby, gimp *** loldrg"

"Uh, dude? I'm not even 75 yet. Of course I'm gimp."

He was just so quick to attack another player, he didn't even take the time to check my level. Some players are just eager as hell to jump on someone else.
He got quiet after that, but not before trying to start crap with me about a ruby light. In a xp party for cryin out loud.

My whm is voluntarily gimp cause I don't wanna do the Surya. That being said, I don't consider whm my main, nor I intend to use it for any kind of event...and my uncapped cure potency is enough for my taru nin friend and his lolhp :<

The turning in pixies is an unavoidable hour+ grind and time sink, some people can't be bothered as you'd need to spend that time solely devoted to that task

I'm in a similar boat as Sehachan with some jobs. I leveled some jobs simply because there was an open key spot in a Aby party and I felt like giving that job a try. I'm going to be leveling WHM and BLM simply for procs and support when my RL group's main WHM or BLM isn't online.

Now, if I have fun with those jobs and want to be successful at them, then yes, I'll get the gear and skills needed to not be gimp. But as long as I'm just using them as second and third-string benchwarmer jobs, that's time and effort being taken away from my main jobs.

Okay, assuming it takes you around 10 minutes per pixie in that scenario, you're still dumping over 4 hours in that single task alone of herding pixies, meanwhile your justification would be the ~1 minute it would take to kill the yagudo could be spent spamming dia for enfeebling skill or something that can't even cap out at 95, much less 90.
Not to mention the fact that in your scenario, another concern is that they need to have Beastmaster already leveled up to a respectable level for their subjob, something most whms, and almost all mules do not have.

I'm not justifying not having it for a WHM main, but some tasks cannot be completed gradually and need grinding

You guys have sound reasoning and I can't fault that. It's the "I'm gonna do things wrong but pretend i know it's right" people that blow my mind. I'd even accept a full aurore/perle player as long as they'll say "i'm too lazy to do anything else".

3 int vs .3 MAB (comparing grips using your math).

ITT, 3% = 16%

Sorry, this bugged me.

The ones who pretend are the ones who can be taught. Beat them down with logic and sooner or later (usually later) they realize they are wrong and will improve. This I've seen many times before. It is the ones who don't care or are "too lazy" that will never improve. Give me the liar over the lazy any day.

I'll give you Rosina.

Also there is no crit floor for nukes, just sayin'.

Wise Strap was never better than Bugard +1 for straight damage unless you were using genesis locket in the very specific situations in which it was optimal. Also did I miss an update where they raised the mcrit floor from 0 to 5%? Magic doesn't natively crit. For that matter, you can't attribute the mcrit you get in other slots to Wise Strap. It's 1 INT vs 3% mcrit, not 16%.

It was all stupidly marginal anyway just because of what a weak slot grips are, but let's at least keep our facts straight here.