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 Carbuncle.Templite
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By Carbuncle.Templite 2012-08-21 15:46:52  
What is it Anji? Zaldon wont give you any Dwarf Pugils even??? He seems fairly jolly to me now, but I was angry at him for a long time around 2007-2010.

On a side note, my little Taru mule hit fishing 110 just now... and I'm a bit sad about it in a way, no longer any reason to hope for a skillup. I do hope they continue upping the skill caps.
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By Siren.Calnus 2012-08-21 22:19:29  
Question... I managed to snag Mega Mogligication: Fishing by the graces of god somehow without messing with my furniture too much. I only have the Fisherman's Stall.

I assume I am still getting the Fishing Skill+5, decreased fish stamina, and discernment even without the signboard, big one, or fishing hole map?

Will getting those other GP items give any benefit other than looks? I still want 1-2 of them but just curious as to if they even matter if i have mega KI.
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By Siren.Calnus 2012-08-22 03:02:18  
Also what is the highest fishing skill obtainable? 110 base + 1 from apron + 1 from hands + 1 from legs + 2 from waders + 2 from neck + 5 from moghouse KI = 122? Or tied with my question above does the other furniture pieces count with the moglification for anything?
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By Carbuncle.Templite 2012-08-22 03:13:05  
I'm testing this right now as my main and mule are now essentially equal - what Calnus asked about.

So far my damn mule is outperforming my main despite not having: apron - 100k GP fishing hole map - 150k net and lure - 50k and fisherman's signboard - 200k, all of which my main does have installed in his moghouse with mega-moglification: fishing active.

this is preliminary test and the numbers are close enough to dismiss but im still considering deleting my main and becoming my mule for real.
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By Asura.Backstab 2012-08-22 05:21:36  
anyone notice a glitch in the FPS while fishing?

my fps didnt drop under 29.4 the whole time while fishing for matsya today and my mule was stuck at 14.9/15 fps no matter what i did, i was only able to get it back to normal after shuting down. reloging and zoning didnt help.
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By Phoenix.Cathaldus 2012-08-22 05:53:41  
Asura.Backstab said: »
anyone notice a glitch in the FPS while fishing?

my fps didnt drop under 29.4 the whole time while fishing for matsya today and my mule was stuck at 14.9/15 fps no matter what i did, i was only able to get it back to normal after shuting down. reloging and zoning didnt help.

If you use a bot/application with FFACE the cap is removed.
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By Asura.Backstab 2012-08-22 06:01:56  
Phoenix.Cathaldus said: »
Asura.Backstab said: »
anyone notice a glitch in the FPS while fishing?

my fps didnt drop under 29.4 the whole time while fishing for matsya today and my mule was stuck at 14.9/15 fps no matter what i did, i was only able to get it back to normal after shuting down. reloging and zoning didnt help.

If you use a bot/application with FFACE the cap is removed.

seems to mess around with fps while not fishing aswell then, since my mule was stuck at 15 fps everywhere.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2012-08-22 06:31:10  
Carbuncle.Templite said: »
What is it Anji? Zaldon wont give you any Dwarf Pugils even??? He seems fairly jolly to me now, but I was angry at him for a long time around 2007-2010.

On a side note, my little Taru mule hit fishing 110 just now... and I'm a bit sad about it in a way, no longer any reason to hope for a skillup. I do hope they continue upping the skill caps.

nah just the fact that im 1/1102 and already 0/467 the man can kill your dreams he could at least recheck some of my fish lol
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By Siren.Calnus 2012-08-22 08:36:17  
Carbuncle.Templite said: »
I'm testing this right now as my main and mule are now essentially equal - what Calnus asked about.

So far my damn mule is outperforming my main despite not having: apron - 100k GP fishing hole map - 150k net and lure - 50k and fisherman's signboard - 200k, all of which my main does have installed in his moghouse with mega-moglification: fishing active.

this is preliminary test and the numbers are close enough to dismiss but im still considering deleting my main and becoming my mule for real.
Does your mule have the mega moglification KI as well? It's interesting that it matches out outperforms. And did I count that right with max skill possible being 122?
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2012-08-22 12:32:59  
1/1102 gugrusaurus 1/572 lik i win zaldon?
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By Carbuncle.Templite 2012-08-22 13:39:25  
so my mule is continuing to trounce my main on hakuryu... beginning to investigate why this might be

and OMG congratulations on Ebisu, Al!

edit: first attempt at troubleshooting this issue--
cleaned out MH and made it exactly the same as the mule, Stall + Big One only, mega-moglification.

Main character had mega-moglification: fishing before this rearrangement, but also had a cooking stall in the house, as well as all other available fishing GP furnishings. Nothing else was in the house. Since taking these other fishing GP items out of the layout, my main character immediately began behaving similarly to the mule. The hakuryu break % numbers I have are really feeble as far as sample size, so I won't even bother mentioning them. But to me it was such an obvious change in break % after, that i am going to continue the test with these variables, even if they sound rediculous.

reedit: this approach was not effective over time, still breaking almost half my hakuryus.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2012-08-22 17:49:15  
ty ty a very big thanks to Lilyula for taking a price cut from selling gugrus to fish liks pretty much exclusively for me
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By Carbuncle.Kunisama 2012-08-22 18:06:18  
Siren.Calnus said: »
Also what is the highest fishing skill obtainable? 110 base + 1 from apron + 1 from hands + 1 from legs + 2 from waders + 2 from neck + 5 from moghouse KI = 122? Or tied with my question above does the other furniture pieces count with the moglification for anything?
You could also add Fisherman's Belt, gives you fishing support so +2 skill, and then there is +46 on ebisu, so the max is 170.
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-08-22 21:27:44  
I think I'm confused. You can get Ebisu without being 100 fishing skill? Do you at least have to complete the Lu shang quest?
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2012-08-22 21:28:54  
only requirement is 95k gp ki and 90 fishing
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By Caitsith.Heimdall 2012-08-22 21:36:01  
Cerberus.Anjisnu said: »
only requirement is 95k gp ki and 90 fishing

oh hmm some post were talking about having it at skill 43 and skill 80. I always thought you had to have done the lu shang quest.
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By Asura.Slugman 2012-08-22 21:39:23  
Carbuncle.Kunisama said: »
Siren.Calnus said: »
Also what is the highest fishing skill obtainable? 110 base + 1 from apron + 1 from hands + 1 from legs + 2 from waders + 2 from neck + 5 from moghouse KI = 122? Or tied with my question above does the other furniture pieces count with the moglification for anything?
You could also add Fisherman's Belt, gives you fishing support so +2 skill, and then there is +46 on ebisu, so the max is 170.


I still doubt the 46 skill on ebisu. I'd guess it raises some other hidden attribute other than giving flat out 46 skill.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2012-08-22 21:39:37  
can get the items as long as you have 30 fishing just cant turn in without the gp item
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By Carbuncle.Snoochybooch 2012-08-22 21:39:50  
Caitsith.Heimdall said: »
Cerberus.Anjisnu said: »
only requirement is 95k gp ki and 90 fishing

oh hmm some post were talking about having it at skill 43 and skill 80. I always thought you had to have done the lu shang quest.

Lu shangs quest is not a prereq.

-Serpent rumors
-Opal silk
-Saber shoot
-Lv78 Fishing is required to obtain serpent rumors.

Edit: lv30 is required to gut fish for the items.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2012-08-22 21:43:00  
ahh thought it was 88 for ki think zaldon fried my brain
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By Siren.Calnus 2012-08-23 06:29:53  
Carbuncle.Kunisama said: »
Siren.Calnus said: »
Also what is the highest fishing skill obtainable? 110 base + 1 from apron + 1 from hands + 1 from legs + 2 from waders + 2 from neck + 5 from moghouse KI = 122? Or tied with my question above does the other furniture pieces count with the moglification for anything?
You could also add Fisherman's Belt, gives you fishing support so +2 skill, and then there is +46 on ebisu, so the max is 170.
That's the first time I've ever heard of +46 skill from ebisu lol. But I haven't done much research outside this thread, wiki or BGwiki so don't feel that I am calling you a liar lol.

Hit the 50,000 GP mark out of 95,000 yesterday while maintining about 4800/10000 moats for legit lu shang. It reached 7 million on Siren and it's still rare to see one... I would anticipate it hitting 9-10 million easy before long.
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By Siren.Calnus 2012-08-23 11:05:35  
Yet another question, is there any feasible way to predict the guild pattern? Or at least have an idea of the future trends to come? I wouldn't mind taking a day or so out of my 200 count to just get it out of the way before hand.
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By Sylph.Gaspard 2012-08-23 11:27:01  
The +46 fishing skill idea comes from these findings I think, credit to cdgreg from bgwiki, I`m just reposting:

Facts verified by multiple fish:
Fishing skill 13 and above fish cap = Auto-depletion
Fishing skill -24 to 12 = Stagnant
Fishing skill -25 and below fish cap = Auto-regen
Lu Shangs has no hidden skill, it auto deplete/regens at the same levels as Halcyon and other cheap rods
Ebisu has hidden skill, it auto depletes/regens at different levels from all other rods

Target: Titanictus

With Lu Shangs:
autoregen at 89 (fish is 25 levels higher)
stagnant at 90 (fish is 24 levels higher)
Therefore, Titanictus skill cap is 114
Therefore, Last level Titanictus will be stagnant is 126 skill
Therefore, To autodeplete Titanictus you will need to be at 127 skill

With Ebisu:
stagnant at 80 (Skill is 12 levels above fish)
autodeplete at 81 (Skill is 13 levels above fish)
Therefore: First level to autodeplete TItanictus is 127, Ebisu rod first establishes autodepletion at level 81. 127 - 81 = 46.

Proposal: Ebisu fishing rod has a hidden attribute of +46 fishing skill.
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-08-23 15:33:27  
Broke my first Lu on a Ryuga today :c time to go get it fixed
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By Sylph.Gaspard 2012-08-23 15:56:02  
I understand you ;-)

Be ready for it to break a whole lot more, skilled up Woodworking from 73 to 77 JUST on lu shang rod breaks.

No more! Finally got 2nd Ebisu item this afternoon! 1/45 gugs, 1/209 Liks! All in all, lucky compared to others. Sunday can't come fast enough!!!
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By Valefor.Prothescar 2012-08-23 16:00:31  
Yeah can't wait to get the rest of my GP. Saber Shoot and Opal Silk eyeing me from my Satchel and 8m or so eyeing me on the AH.
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By Siren.Kalilla 2012-08-23 16:52:41  
Siren.Calnus said: »
That's the first time I've ever heard of +46 skill from ebisu lol. But I haven't done much research outside this thread, wiki or BGwiki so don't feel that I am calling you a liar lol.
I have mentioned it before in this thread, I probably should link the research into this finding in the OP so others can find it easier.
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By Asura.Slugman 2012-08-23 17:12:29  
Siren.Kalilla said: »
Siren.Calnus said: »
That's the first time I've ever heard of +46 skill from ebisu lol. But I haven't done much research outside this thread, wiki or BGwiki so don't feel that I am calling you a liar lol.
I have mentioned it before in this thread, I probably should link the research into this finding in the OP so others can find it easier.

Yours

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/49347-Fishing?p=4615287&highlight=46#post4615287

Another

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/49347-Fishing?p=5082111&highlight=46#post5082111



The original that I know of:

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/49347-Fishing?p=4570904&viewfull=1#post4570904

My guess is that it has a hidden attribute that auto-depletes higher level fish or something along those lines rather than giving out an extra 46 levels.
It fits with the fact that other fish have attributes independent of their level, such as the low stamina, but wicked rod-wobbling of titans, tricorns and frog fishing, mats, gugs, and liks, working with mooching, crocs and their lack of skill messages, and how some monsters will auto-regen no matter what level you are and some auto deplete. I'm sure there are other instances but this seems more believable to me.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Mitosis 2012-08-23 23:35:03  
I can no longer say I have horrible luck...

1/35 liks a few days ago...
1/9 gugs just now @.@;

gg


Edit: 1/10 shapers shawl...
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By Carbuncle.Snoochybooch 2012-08-23 23:52:40  
Congrats Mit, you have incredible luck now :)
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