Is FFXI Dying?

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 Phoenix.Iocus
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-08-08 07:04:12  
Shichishito said: »
Both pay a sub to be here and then break ToS so...that's cheating.

Technically correct. The best kind of correct.
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 Shiva.Thorny
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By Shiva.Thorny 2024-08-08 07:15:24  
Asura.Sechs said: »
Clearly not, but it's hard to debate that the TNL ratio past ML45 (past 40, arguably?) is absolutely nonsensical.
Surely they could've aimed for a better ratio than the current, without making it too easy/fast.

My counterargument would be: why should they? The abilities unlocked by a level 59 sub are:
Aero III (BLM)
Carnage Elegy (BRD)
Regen III (SCH)

None of these are particularly useful, much less game changing. The primary reason to want ML50 is to consider a task complete, not to gain a new ability or be able to tackle specific content. Having the ratio set this high creates a long term goal for the theoretical people who actually enjoy playing the game. You are meant to play for years, if you do an hour or two of ML a couple nights a week while chatting with friends you'll still end up there eventually.

Foil and Fencer II being available at 58 is troublesome, and I think that it would've been a good balance change to reduce them to like 56 so that you didn't need such a large amount of ML to get a particularly strong ability like that on sub. But, aside from that, any feeling that you *need* a specific master level is self-imposed.
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 Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 07:55:03  
Asura.Sechs said: »
I'm sure it can be done, hell before they added Locus I broke 300k/hr in an AoE PT once.
But to consider that "average" is quite... an hyperbole.
I was botting with a very sub-optimal setup doing 120k/hr. If you have a problem with the 200k/hr claim, perhaps you should have finished the entire quote and included the part where I said "and most people here would consider 200k/hr shitty".
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By Shiva.Thorny 2024-08-08 07:57:45  
I can bot just over 200k/hr on cogs with room for a couple of chars leeching. I don't think that it's an unreasonable claim for someone who isn't on Asura. But, I'm guessing most of the people here are sitting on Asura where the idea of having multiple melee with their own mob instead of fighting RMT for pops is a pipe dream.

I'd think anyone who can call it a shitty rate is just being an elitist, though. To do considerably better you'd need a low sync, an empty camp, and a pretty well optimized party.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 07:59:56  
Asura.Sechs said: »
All of this to say that yes, I totally concur with your statement of ML25 being easy to obtain, but 8hrs? (with 200k/hr)
https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Master_Levels#Exemplar_Points/Level_Breakdown

The total ML needed to hit ML25 is 1,510,932. At an average of 200k per hour, it will take you 7 1/2 hours (probably closer to 8 as you ramp up that ML chain bonus) to obtain the 1.5 mil EP for ML25.

This isnt complex mathematics.
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 08:04:50  
Shiva.Thorny said: »
I'd think anyone who can call it a shitty rate is just being an elitist, though. To do considerably better you'd need a low sync, an empty camp, and a pretty well optimized party.
I personally dont think 200k/hr EP is shitty.
I also dont play on Asura so EP camps are usually empty.
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By Asura.Questaru 2024-08-08 08:44:38  
can anyone get me an active linkshell??
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By Asura.Questaru 2024-08-08 08:45:45  
I come back to this game after SIX YEARS because you guys >:0 bullied me on the forums here and NOW i dont know what the hell is going on
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 Asura.Questaru
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By Asura.Questaru 2024-08-08 08:46:27  
no one plays BLM anymore wtf happened my taru
 Carbuncle.Maletaru
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-08-08 08:51:19  
You can play BLM in the Ongo, Raskovniche, & Marmorkrebs fights in Odyssey and some Sortie runs, depending on your party's composition.

Beyond that, you're gonna need to have some really accommodating friends if you want to hamfist BLM into much.

Welcome back. Can't help ya with a linkshell because I'm on a different server. Try the concierge or see if anyone on your /flist still plays.
 Shiva.Myamoto
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2024-08-08 12:41:09  
New thread idea... Is BLM dying?
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 Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 13:21:22  
It was
Then Gaol came along and made enemies with exaggerated strengths and weaknesses that couldnt be powered through with war and sam and gave some life to blm.
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By Phoenix.Iocus 2024-08-08 13:29:15  
Only after Mana Wall wears off...
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 Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 13:41:03  
I was trying to be serious

For once

I used up my 2024 quota
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By Meeble 2024-08-08 13:57:55  
Phoenix.Iocus said: »
Cheating starts at anything past vanilla. Where the moral high ground starts for acceptable cheating is the line that you're thinking of

I remember massive arguments back in the 75 cap days about whether realtime voice comms like Ventrilo or TeamSpeak were cheating.

✔️ 3rd party software
❌ modifies the client directly
✔️ confers a performance advantage

Likewise, "Gaming VPN" as a retail product didn't really exist back then, but I knew a few HNM folks who swore their JP vpn hookups gave them an edge.
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 Asura.Eiryl
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By Asura.Eiryl 2024-08-08 14:51:44  
Voice was always an intersting one, unlike the stupidity of windower et all.

The game is definitively designed around specifically being encumbered in communication. You're bypassing that mechanic.

Same as how if we get "brainchips" to eliminate keyboard interaction, it will again be a real advantage bypassing a specific limitation.

Could easily argue either side. (It's 3rd party and you couldn't tab out, but phones exist)
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By Lakshmi.Sahzi 2024-08-08 15:13:49  
Shiva.Myamoto said: »
New thread idea... Is BLM dying?

Petition SE to add blm to naegling?

I'm a problem solver.
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By Dodik 2024-08-08 15:42:46  
Make Naegling all jobs.

XI is saved.
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By Asura.Iamaman 2024-08-08 16:10:24  
Carbuncle.Nynja said: »
It was
Then Gaol came along and made enemies with exaggerated strengths and weaknesses that couldnt be powered through with war and sam and gave some life to blm.

It was still tricky finding a BLM for Ongo until Sortie came along, Sortie seemed to bring life back to BLM more than anything else did IMO.
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By Shiva.Myamoto 2024-08-08 16:21:46  
Dodik said: »
Make Naegling all jobs.

XI is saved.

Make XI great again!
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By Nariont 2024-08-08 16:43:47  
Shiva.Myamoto said: »
New thread idea... Is BLM dying?

Stuck in the perpetuating cycle of;
New content hard: use BLM
little easier due to understanding/gear creep: Use rng/pets and maybe some BLMs cause bursting still effective
Can brute force it now: Use melees, BLM stay gone

Least current meta has BLM hard locked into some specific fights i guess
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-08-08 19:19:05  
A thread from 5 years ago: "Is FFXI dying?"

Me last night, 6+ years of farming Omen:




Me today:

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 Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-08 19:33:07  
ew galka
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By Dodik 2024-08-09 04:51:58  
Why are you out of the mines, Galka.
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 Lakshmi.Buukki
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-08-09 11:25:17  
The GOAT is back, had to remind Kin who the TopG is.
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By Carbuncle.Maletaru 2024-08-09 11:49:41  
The GOAT is so good he doesn't even need capped combat skills!
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-08-09 12:29:43  
That's how you trick the algorithm. Big brain

Tryhard ultra endgame player = you get nothing
Look like a scrub in an outdated lockstyle set as a galka with under leveled skills = sympathy drops
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 Carbuncle.Nynja
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-09 12:48:01  
That explains why i never get drops

Im too good at this game :(
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2024-08-09 12:56:23  
Got 4 +1 cases across 3 Sortie runs (not the ROE). Group said they haven't seen a +1 in ages and I'm the good luck charm. They don't know I'm just a scrub in disguise and the game is self correcting itself.

Algo confirmed
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By Carbuncle.Nynja 2024-08-09 13:10:16  
Im still not making a filthy Galka

Me nor my friend have any Galka within our ranks
We never will
No mains
No alts
No mules

NO GALKA

Pathetic scrub race got bullied out of their homeland by Ants and then enslaved by the Humes.
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