Abyssea Exp = Bad Player?

Wouldn't she charge double the going rate for a tele since she had to grab a choco and hike to the outpost?

With abyssea a job can have the perfect equipment & gear but completely mess up the Atmas...

as an example i've been in a group with a WAR using HP/Regen atmas because he thought he could keep alive longer and kill it that way instead of using DD atmas and slaughtering it in 1 WS

It's funhappytime that a lot of people will argue that it doesn't matter, that bad players will be bad no matter what, and that if you can't pick up a new job in a few hours then you shouldn't play anyway - that ffxi is ridiculously simple anyway. Then, there are people who will argue to death over small differences in strategy or when to do XXX or whatever. So it's hard to tell - does attention to every little detail matter, or not?

So, here are some questions and answers, as I am seeing it all.

Q. Does leeching a job to 90 help you understand game mechanics?
A. No. But, you may already understand them.

Q. Does leveling "the old way" help you understand game mechanics?
A. Yes. But, you may already understand them.

Q. Does leeching a job to 90 help you understand what's the best gear for a given job/situation?
A. No. But, you have friends, forums, and guides.

Q. Does leveling "the old way" help you understand what's the best gear for a given situation?
A. It can go either way - if you only fight EP book mobs, you're not pushing yourself at all anyway.

Q. Does leeching a job to 90 help you understand how best to employ whatever your job offers in a given situation?
A. No, that comes from experience.

Q. Does leveling "the old way" help you understand how best to employ whatever your job offers in a given situation?
A. Not really, because you're not all the way "at full strength" until 90 anyway. You might be the master at not drawing hate while spamming Cure 3, for example, but who cares?

Q. Does leeching a job to 90 give you an opportunity to gather the proper equipment for a job? (Weapons, armor, scrolls, etc.)
A. Sorta. Less time leveling, more time shopping/farming.

Q. Does leveling "the old way" give you an opportunity to gather the proper equipment for a job?
A. Sorta. Time to generate gil, complete quests, etc, before you need them.


I bet there's stuff I didn't include. But overall, it seems to me that neither situation really helps you. Leeching might be totally fine for one person, and another person can completely suck after leveling traditionally.

Are there more people that don't know how to play/gear their jobs? Maybe. I dunno why, though.

Good to see TPS gets new epic recruits :P
Moar people to work on Johannas emp staff!

Just the other day, same NM, other group had a NIN tank fulltiming all NQ Iga gear... It was just horrible. I swear it did perfect dodge so much that they weren't even able to hit it anymore...

good Q&A, everyone is so hooked up on the old system they think if someone levels a new job in 1 day they dont know it.

if its their first usefull job, like NIN/WAR/MNK/WHM/BLM etc. even when its completely gimp it allows them to do stuff they couldnt before and work on gear, i agree they shouldnt be joining groups but they have to start somewhere.

This guy here said it all & this forum should be closed after this be cuz he said it all & anyone who thinks otherwise of what he just said is a complete fen moron.

That... would make a *** ton of sense.........

Lol seems a popular one, I've heard some people say that every time PD triggers it gains +15-20 evasion not sure how true it is tho, but by the end of the one i mentioned only the BLM was hurting it.

For every 5k dmg he delt he cured it for 2k so it took awhile and killed the DDs countless times.

No, cause how you play in a colibri burn or lv sync worms/crabs is not how you play at events

Yup, leveling BLM in a party the "old" way was casting a spell then afking for 10 seconds to let hate die down then rince repeat... tho BLM's haven't really improved much i swear they need to learn what Stun and Meltdown are.

Abyssea made me a bad player because I steal wiped NMs all the time now.

they said game mechanics, which that statement is true.

they didn't state: "help you understand EG"

their statement still holds true

All I could do is LOL really hard when I saw this pic, I'm still laughing my *** off while I'm writing this, they say a pic is worth a 1k words, but the only one that comes to mind is "LOL".

damn I guess i'm bad to, just the other day I was running to grab a Carabosse pop and a unclaimed one walked right by me so I took it.

then I ran back to pixie NM and there was another one unclaimed with a dead party around it so I took that to.

Well if that's the case, you can learn while you're leeching, too. Simply by paying attention and watching what other people do/wear/etc.

Well seeing how most people do/wear/etc. stupid ***, that doesn't always pan out.

in theory

I personally try to learn by watching others.

You can learn what not to wear if you don't want to deal shitty damage.

Anyone who doesn't take time to read up on how to gear and play their job properly only has themselves to blame, not how fast they gain XP. The information is readily available, including this forum which has plenty of advice threads to learn from.

There are some little tricks of your job you might not learn from just reading online, but you don't really learn them in an old fashioned XP grind either. Unless the player is one of those people who just don't seem able to adjust and learn new things, you'll pick them up from soloing and doing missions/quests sooner or later.

A personal example of this would be, one day I saw a video of a BST solo Despot, and he gear blinked to cut out the JA animation fot pet commands allowing him to keep moving, and I put 2 and 2 together and applied it to my SMN, it's a nifty little trick that helps a lot when kiting solo, and I wouldn't have learnt that in an XP party.

Ah, Fenrir. I'd never leave.

o.O

I take unclaimed NM's all the time without no hesitation, Yellow is fair game, perfect reason to say " U MADD?".

Worst one I ever did was a Sobek at 2% when the whole party died, I was going to give them the skins until they yelled abuse so I took em

If a party wiped I see no problem, if the mob went white due to charm or randomly goes white(or you kill charmed players) you are a vulture animal that should be locked in a cage.

Learned* lol I derped, some english people pronounce it like that

Does the astral-flow-on-charmed-player,wipe-entire-alliance trick still work?

If you think Abyssea makes you bad, you're probably bad.

Had to +1 this one. Straight to the point.

but if you claim a NM who has charmed people and they attack you does it give you permission to slaughter there family + children?