Mattress Firm Refuses To Sell To Muslim Woman

Oh, please...it was hardly -the- dumbest thing you've ever heard, lol...engage in hyperbole much? 8D

Anyhow, as I've already said, it is illegal in this country to discriminate based purely on religion, race, or gender.

Yes, it is a problem, which is why anti-discrimination laws are in place. I suspect you've never been subjected to blatant discrimination, so it's easy for you to dismiss it. I honestly hope for your sake, you never are, which is why I support such laws.


Ah...I didn't realize that a public store didn't mean -everyone-, only those who were deemed worthy by the management, lol...

And if a man murdered my entire family, I would expect him to be in prison for the rest of his life. But if by some horrible chance he walked into the store in which I was a salesperson, no, I would not sell to him, I would find someone else, because despite my feelings about him, he has the right to shop in that store. It would be a bit melodramatic of me to demand management kick him out of the store entirely.

Aww, c'mon. We had one disagreement over marijuana, I think. Otherwise, I think we've had a history of agreeing more than you might think.


Exactly. Many Americans have an outdated (and mostly no longer accurate) sense of superiority over the rest of the world. Europeans laugh at this, Asians shake their heads, and in many parts of the Middle East they just outright despite us.

You'd think Americans would smell the coffee and realize that our country has already fallen behind contemporary nations in education and life expectancy, among other quality of life measures. We may still have the biggest guns, tanks, and boats, but unlike during the 20th century, those things do not guarantee world power/dominance anymore ... at all.

I don't blame the Baby Boomer generation really. They were served elitist nationalist propaganda for breakfast with their eggs and coffee throughout their formative years. What really disheartens me is how many vocal young Americans there are who are apparently disillusioned into still believing that so-called "patriotism", international saber-rattling and domestic hate speech/culture are admirable and respectable. It's sad.

If he refused a white person for wearing clothing that left almost nothing revealed, it would just be that "there was some dude acting strange so he kicked him out."

If he refused some black dude for the same, we'd hear a ***about it.

Any other race doing what the white dude did in this hypothetical situation? Probably just a quiet, civil lawsuit.

This.

I'm an atheist, so I view all religions as mythological ideologies, and I don't favor any of them over any other. I would feel the exact same way about a Christian who was denied service because of wearing a huge, gold cross around their neck. I feel the same way about religious pharmacists who refuse to sell the "morning after" pill because of their beliefs. If you are in the business of dealing with the public, you have to treat them all equally, or find another job. It's really that easy.

SCRUMP!!! HMSBF!!! Love you too!

Okay...Here's a story for you. Last time I was in Frankfurt, Germany, I was told by my cousins not to speak English under ANY circumstances because we passed a few Muslims at a bus station on our way home from the bars.

I was also told that they would have no qualms about beating the piss out of me, my cousins and their friends because of the fact that I am American. Xenophobia? Racism?

I'm an existentialistic nihilist; nice to meet you.

Nope. Your warping the justification that was stated.

See where I spoke about the other races.

lol ever seen those signs that say no shoes no shirt no service?

I did see them. I disagree. I have never heard of a store manager refusing service to a white man for wearing clothing that "left almost nothing revealed". But anyone who denies that anti-Muslim sentiment has been alive and well in the U. S. since 9/11 should pull their head out of the sand, and meet the Real World.


Actually, this was already mentioned by Hohenheim. And I have yet to see a sign that says, "Burqa, no service".

Have you?

Oh?

Hi2u any robbery with a ski mask. "Get the *** out of here, I'm calling the cops" is the same as refusing service.

Why can we choose not to serve to someone who is not wearing shoes or a shirt and that's cool but you have a problem with this?

Well ok maybe not the dumbest, but it's a pretty un-enlightened view. How can you honestly carry such shortsighted view of freedom? Where is the harm being administered by refusing to sell you something?

Also I know we have such laws, those laws are stupid! Anti-discrimination laws are on the same level as hate crime legislation.

No-one has the right to exist without being offended. If I don't want to sell to X-group of people or only want to sell to x-group of people because I'm scared of them or I simply don't like the clothes they're wearing, it is my right to do so.

A woman wearing a Burqa accompanied by her husband and 3 children is hardly the same as a man walking in with a ski mask on. False equivalency.


I have no idea why no shoes and no shirt is a no-no, but I do have a problem with blatant discrimination based on religion or race. As someone with family in Mississippi, some of whom are openly racist, I have no desire to see our nation returned to the days of segregation.

Actually, there's nothing unenlightened at all about wanting equal treatment regardless of race or religion.

If we are going to march our armies around the world in the name of spreading democracy, it's hardly fitting for us to practice open bigotry at home.

If a store wishes to discriminate against Muslims, then I wholeheartedly invite them to post a sign saying as much. I suspect, however, they will find that they don't do much business that way, which is exactly why they don't.

This isn't about the right to be offended...it's about the right of a family who simply wanted to buy a mattress to be able to go into a store that claims to be open to the public, and buy a mattress without being discriminated against for the religion...especially in a nation that ostensibly prides itself on freedom of religion.

Where do we draw the line? Is one persons rights more important than anothers? Should someone be forced to view the world the way someone else tells them because they say this is the proper way?

Thank you!

Racist.

Welcome to the entire world in constant struggle.

OK, I have to ask, lol...how on earth is a Muslim family walking into a public store, wishing to buy a mattress, attempting to force anyone to submit to their view of the world..?

FALSE EQUIVALENCY FALSE EQUIVALENCY

Not everyone wearing a ski mask is a robber.

Some of them just got back from skiing.

lol

"You have to allow us to oppress our women, we're Muslim"

You are...

So I can't start the "I hate Muslims" religion where I refuse to open events to Muslims?

Haven't you heard? Anything non-white and non-atheist/agnostic is the best and we must cater to all of their whims

OR YOU'RE DISCRIMINATING YOU RACIST BIGOTS

Selling a product to someone is hardly the equivalent of agreeing to their lifestyle. If that were the case, then I am a Jewish Christian Buddhist gay wife-beating pot-smoking gambling cross-dresser, because I'm sure I've sold to all those types in my time.

Sorry, try again. 8)


Nope.

Sure you can. Hell, you might get tax exempt status for it. 8)

You're not telling me that if I open up a store that I should be forced to sell to anyone that walks through my doors even if i don't want to?

I like how first hand accounts of racism are totally dismissed here. How many of you actually know Muslims?

Given that you can disagree with a lifestyle by not selling to them, yes consenting to sell is agreeing.