Mattress Firm Refuses To Sell To Muslim Woman

Only a pessimist would say that.

I didn't want to touch this thread but wasn't sure if anyone had mentioned this, I have not read the middle posts so am possibly reiterating what has already been mentioned. I have no complaint in women choosing to wear a burqa. However it is in no way mandatory & as such can often be misinterpreted as representing anti-west sentiments from either the wearer, or perhaps in some cases the person forcing her to wear it. There are many other items of religious clothing they could chose to wear that would not cause this issue such as the hijab. To my knowledge there is nothing stipulating hands/face should be covered anyway.There was an article about this on the BBC around the time the French were defining laws about it. This however is irrelevant to the point of refusing service to someone covering there face. When you remove all the religious hype about this topic, it is exactly the same fundamentally as walking into a shop wearing a balaclava, full face motorcycle helmet or even a 'hoody'. Whether you agree with it or not, this poses security problems. Most noticeable being the inability to identify said customer on CCTV cameras in the event of a robbery. I for one have worked in a convenience store where it is mandatory to ask the customer to remove any face coverings (admittedly where I live this is almost only bike helmets) for the sake of security, and not to open the cash register if they refuse. The Halifax next door was robbed by exactly this method (motor cycle helmet). Now in no way am I a saying a Muslim woman is more or less likely to commit a crime due to there religious beliefs, to make such a statement would be somewhat ignorant and unfounded (unless someone can point me in the direction of the crime figures lol). But the refusal to serve somebody covering their face seems an entirely logical and in no way religiously charged countermeasure to preventing "over the counter" thefts. While Muslims do not drink, I have met a few who smoke, so what if a woman in a burqa were to ask for cigarettes? how would you ID them? They should be treated entirely equal to everyone else, this means showing identifiable features when shopping like everyone else. Whatever country I chose to visit or move to, I will respect the laws of the country regardless of any beliefs I may personally adhere to (I don't). Logic and reasoning should always supersede religion as far as law is concerned.

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Too many assumptions, take your steps one at a time would be the easiest route if you're having trouble understanding what to think.

I can't tell you what to think as that is not my place to be, but good is supposedly overrated from what I understand.

Stop being such a pessimist Vinvv.

meh, you'd think by now, prejudice and discrimination would be gone. Don't hate people for their religion, hate them for being stupid.

Muslim women wear the hijab by choice and continue to remain consistent from their own choices in life and any further is an assumption.

I challenge anyone to find a Muslim women still wearing a hijab that requires your help and/or willing to take her hijab off because you feel it is necessarily required for your comfort, but this is beyond what I am trying understand myself.

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The burka is subjective with no definite definition.

You have no where near a right to try and justify people's ideals, each person understands more than you give them credit for which is in itself ignorance because you are looking at each individual as incompetent before knowing anything about them, which mind you is also shallow.

ITT: Don't judge a book by it's cover like Tunafests.

I think in this case it was more of a race thing though honestly.
I think the woman came in like with her family and ***lol.

Read the article here.


Yes, because a woman wearing an obvious Islamic veil accompanied by her family is just as suspicious as a man walking in with a ski mask and an AK-47, and don't forget, Muslim woman are notorious for turning mattresses into bombs... *Facepalm*

I view it as backwards rationale, not incompetence. This "modest" garb idea arose in every religion, yet Muslims are one of few religions who have mainstream practitioners still subscribing to it. The idea that you should cover your body in order to not provoke so-called inappropriate human emotions is rather primitive, to me at least. It lends itself to the notion that man cannot overcome those so-called inappropriate emotions on his own, forming a self-fulfilling prophecy. You will always need the burka if you believe man is that weak.

Tell me, how is it NOT oppressive to require a Muslim woman to cover herself?

Too many voices of reason, but wait... you're not reasoning; are you?

I'm just glad neither my mother nor sisters were busted open in high school by a random guy lol.

I would rather be assumed a fool then to actually be a fool.

Only a pessimist would say that!

But I'm not really saying much about you past that, I just wanted to assert that you are being pessimistic because you aren't very self-aware so I felt the need to point it out...wait are you all that self-aware flion?
do you think I even needed to tell you this or would you have figured out that you are being pessimistic on your own?

businesses reserve the right to sell or not sell to anyone. who gives a *** go to another store then . Im sure in coming weeks she wil try to sue the store for discrimination.

Yeah, People have been saying that basically the entire thread if not exactly in those exact words.

businesses reserve the right to sell or not sell to anyone. who gives a *** go to another store then . Im sure in coming weeks she wil try to sue the store for discrimination.

You can refuse service if they can prove it was not on the basis of profiling and racism. you can't refuse to serve to entire ethnic/religious/etc group. That's what was going on during the segregation in the united states.