Mattress Firm Refuses To Sell To Muslim Woman

So your aruement about making her give it up doesn't really apply. It's making us accept someone wearing that as if they weren't wearing it that is making us give up our culture.

I saw nothing that countered my own argument.

Obviously, we simply view the facts through different filters.

I see is that burqas are not uncommon in that area, thereby dismissing the probability that he saw it as an unusual security risk.

I see that if other stores had no problem with it, it is obviously not a common security risk.

I see that if he wasn't even willing to do his "patriotic duty" and call the proper authorities about a possible terrorist, it was obviously not a blatant security risk.

I really don't know what else to say. We are apparently going to have to agree to disagree. Neither of us knows his true motives, therefore, we are both merely hypothesizing.

Thank you for the conversation, and to everyone who posted on my thread, whether we agreed or disagreed. Goodnight. 8)

Yeah, those things happen in, like I said, Israel or the West Bank, not in the Baskin Robbins a few blocks from where I live. I'm not ignorant, here, I'm just not paranoid of people who have absolutely no intention to harm me just because they're a member of a given religion.

Well of course it wasn't a real security risk. If it was she would have blown him up first of course.

Terrorism's new plan is to attack americas bed. So you dont get a good nights sleep.

Think about it.

I'm not paranoid of them either. O.o but I am paranoid about the KKK. Damned insidious ***. I heard they hanged a guy once in the last decade because he raped one of their daughters. That KKK needs to be rounded up and murdered with mattresses.

No, no, no, I think you misread that. I accused someone of being xenophobic because someone else demanded that Muslims shouldn't wear burqas. I was then accused of demanding that we give up things instead. I'm not demanding we give up anything. Seriously, what great inconvenience is it for us to let people wear their religious outfits?

No, I'm declaring thumb war!

Let's start a war! Start a nuclear war!

(10 points to anyone who gets this reference.)

I never argued that the muslim woman was a security threat in the first place. I just think that banning one set of people from covering their faces while not banning others is just a silly conclusion and indefensible. Yet you keep defending it.

At the gay bar, gay bar

What great inconvience is it for them to not wear them?

Forcing a majority to accept a minority is just as bad as forcing a minority to accept the majority. Actually one could argue worse but neither here nor there

Muslim women don't cover their faces to purposely hide their facial expressions to make you feel uncomfortable. They're raised (traditionally) to believe its disrespectful to show their faces publicly. Yes, to me, that's ridiculous ... but it's no more ridiculous than someone believing s/he is drinking God's blood out of a wine decanter every Sunday.




HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE analogy.
When was the last time you met a peaceful self-respecting KKK Klansman?
Your example of a KKK hoodie walking into a black guy's store is more comparable to a guy wearing a "Hitler is awesome" T-shirt into a Jewish-owned store.

What a lot of you numskulls don't realize (or refuse to accept) is that a Muslim probably sees some American fashion (thongs, ladies' pants, sagging over-sized mens' jean shorts, etc.) as repulsive and disrespectful, even though us Americans clearly (in general) approve of those items.
You think that's stupid that Muslims think that?
Well, they probably think it's stupid that you disapprove of traditional Muslim women's garb, too.

I personally don't care what you wear, but that's me. Sure I have my preferences ... who doesn't? But I'll also respect the fact that your tastes are likely different than mine.



Agree. +1.

You realize that you did just argue exactly that in the case of burqas, right?


I'm not the bigot, here. People don't go walking around in public harmlessly wearing KKK uniforms: it is a declaration of an intent to harm. People do go walking around in public harmlessly wearing burqas. You yourself admitted that they believe they're doing it out of modesty.

You want to talk about security risks, you have to talk about intentions. There's a very, very clear difference, here. If someone walked into a store wearing a T-shirt that said "I am going to kill everyone in this room unless you empty your cash-register" and walked up to a clerk, you'd bet your *** that was a security risk. Wearing a Sari doesn't do that. Wearing a burqa only does that if you live in Prejudiced Paranoia Land.

10 Soube points to you. Each point redeemable for 5,000 gil, available only on Quetzalcoatl server.

Probability does not possibility. I merely argue that there is a real possibility that he might have felt threatened. He might not have but it doesn't matter if he did or didn't he could've and said he did so unless you got someway of proving him wrong...

In the end that's all there was too it. The burden of prove is on the accuser not the accusee

Damn saw it too late

Pretty damn great! How would you like to walk around naked? Because, by most of the testimonies I've read, that's how they perceive it. It's supposedly mortifying.

You keep dodging my question: what are we giving up by letting a woman wear a burqa? Where's the great inconvenience?

Here's my stance on the burqa and oppression...

If men can't distinguish sexual content from the female or male anatomy, that is a problem. You can't have a progressive cultural attitude without being able to see the human anatomy for what it is.
The burqa is a denial of females as a whole!

Well the points are transferable. All Arawn needs to do is post the name of the person he wants to give them to. Then that person needs to tell me their character name so I know who to give the gil to in game. >_>;

The fact that they could now walk around concealed.

In washington? No it's *** cold up here. But if everyone else was doing it *** it, When in rome do as the Romans do.

You are also dodging the question. What are they giving up to not wear it. Where is the great inconvience? Also I never said they shouldn't be allowed to wear it. I said it shouldn't be dictated to us to accept them and think of them the same as if they weren't wearing it. Just as they probably think are women are all ***.

Tell me honestly how well over do you think it would go if a girl pratically falling out of her bikini went to buy something in a store ran by that womans family?

Burqas are archaic and (in Western eyes) demeaning to women.

That has nothing to do with this discussion, though.

In the 1970's, many women believed bras were demeaning to women. But you wouldn't throw someone out of your store for "security purposes" because she wasn't wearing a bra, right?

Simple and plain answer: comfort.

And god forbid an American should have to feel uncomfortable on American soil every once in a while, right?

God. I wonder if anyone has gone this long without getting a point. Its a fact that everyone else can be required to remove facial coverings if a company has a policy against them. *Tilts over* I would say that the KKK member should be required to remove their hood.

As tongue-in-cheek as this argument was in the first place (yes, elanabelle I realize the argument was horribly HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE and I intended it as such.) you can't argue some of the key points in it. If anyone can be made to take off head coverings, everyone can be required to. Its obvious that the company's policy isn't to force people to remove head coverings. Since I hear they fired the man. (Personally I think he should have been reprimanded and made to issue an apology. He won't learn his lesson otherwise.) I also think the burqa is disgusting. To force a woman to wear it is disgusting.

and no... no, I won't say that the KKK uniform is a declaration of intent to injure someone. Why won't I? Because the KKK uniform is a uniform dumbass. A person could be wearing it as a halloween costume.

*facepalms* That I had to deliberately make sure you guys knew I was being sarcastic and tongue-in-cheek is seriously laughable. Really. Though, some of your arguments were horribly laughable as well. Like the one where muslim terrorists don't impersonate families to carry out suicide bombings. Muslim terrorists have proven time and time again they will go to great and thoroughly despicable lengths to disguise themselves long enough to blow up as many people as they can. O.o Though not so much in mattress stores.

But, then again, I never argued that terrorists did intend to blow up mattress stores. That was you taking my argument and blurring it with other people's arguments.

Also, if by the time I made that argument about the KKK member who was shy about his appearance you didn't realize I was making a grand joke... well, that's neither here nor there.

I looked up the answer and cheated. The first person on Quetz that asks you for the money can have it if you still want to give me the points. By the way, the video is hilarious.

And God forbid Europeans feel uncomfortable on their soil, but they do every day!

Flounce harder.

The bolded sentence reminded me of that episode of South Park where Cartman dresses up as "a ghost" for Halloween. Except he uses a KKK hood. And then talks to Chef. And then gets sent to the principal's office, where they try to explain to him why it was inappropriate. And he doesn't get it.

You live in a strangely out-of-touch world. Wearing a KKK uniform out in public is apparently perfectly harmless and sends no mixed messages, but a burqa-wearing housewife going mattress shopping is a genuine security threat because of a few news stories about terrorists disguising themselves as women. Yeah. OK.

What you mean like this? http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/18153/back-door-onry-for-german-muslim-girls-sad-days/

Do you feel that gust of wind rushing past you Zahrah?