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A few questions about THF
 Cerberus.Eugene
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-04-15 20:42:00
Odin.Katoke said: bunch of bad advice in this thread.
5 trick attack - you can easily line up someone every 50 seconds than lining up behind a mob.
5 triple attack - self explanitory
5 assasins charge - using WS AC every 5 minutes will benefit your WS greater than any other t2 merit
5 feint - lowering a mobs evasion every minute thirty is beneficial to everyone.
anyone who says different should retire thief.
to the person who meritted flee, go kill yourself. protip, lining up isn't hard.
protip #2, for the elitist thf you portray yourself as, you don't know how long ability timers actually are
 Phoenix.Fondue
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-04-15 20:49:59
Cerberus.Eugene said: Phoenix.Fondue said: thif is only good for TH so do 5/5 triple attack and 5/5 sneak attack just for minimally moar chances to proc I've seen some really good thfs put out good numbers, you just have to want to be good. 5/5 sa doesnt give you any more dmg really with assn and just offsets your times incase you do want to use them together.
the 2 second delay should be covered if you hit your macro sometime between 1-2 seconds left on recast, but i can see that as personal preference.
outside of abyssea thieves dont "put out good numbers" and inside abyssea you onry need blue
so
idk bro
Cerberus.Eugene
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By Cerberus.Eugene 2011-04-15 20:52:18
Phoenix.Fondue said: Cerberus.Eugene said: Phoenix.Fondue said: thif is only good for TH so do 5/5 triple attack and 5/5 sneak attack just for minimally moar chances to proc I've seen some really good thfs put out good numbers, you just have to want to be good. 5/5 sa doesnt give you any more dmg really with assn and just offsets your times incase you do want to use them together.
the 2 second delay should be covered if you hit your macro sometime between 1-2 seconds left on recast, but i can see that as personal preference.
outside of abyssea thieves dont "put out good numbers" and inside abyssea you onry need blue
so
idk bro
i've seen career thfs put out solid numbers. They weren't top dd, but they were respectable. i've also seen career thfs suck lots
Phoenix.Fondue
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-04-15 20:55:06
I agree its all personal preference. Level your thief flion and you will see which you liek doing more
1/5 aura steal is very nice though at the least
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-15 21:01:21
Phoenix.Fondue said: Cerberus.Eugene said: Phoenix.Fondue said: thif is only good for TH so do 5/5 triple attack and 5/5 sneak attack just for minimally moar chances to proc I've seen some really good thfs put out good numbers, you just have to want to be good. 5/5 sa doesnt give you any more dmg really with assn and just offsets your times incase you do want to use them together. the 2 second delay should be covered if you hit your macro sometime between 1-2 seconds left on recast, but i can see that as personal preference. outside of abyssea thieves dont "put out good numbers" and inside abyssea you onry need blue Lol most of the stuff people are going for are either 100% droprate or you need grellow and TH.
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By Odin.Sheelay 2011-04-15 21:02:15
- OP: Hey guys, is THF a nice job to play?
>>Normal ppl: Yeah, it's lots of fun and can do a lot more than simply land TH. Enjoy :D
>>Elitists: {No fun allowed}
tldr: lolelitism in a videogame
 Fenrir.Eneas
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By Fenrir.Eneas 2011-04-15 21:30:22
well i am glad Flion you jointhe THF crew, most advices have been given already.. only thing i can suggest really at this point is to try build an evasion set.
Thf is actually very good at tanking in low man situations (solo duo or trio).and can still pull out good numbers in terms of dmg.
Have fun with it!
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By Shiva.Flionheart 2011-04-15 21:40:07
Thanks for all the tips and encouragement guys. Don't worry about the mega elitist/negative people, I ignore them outside of the advice they offer anyway.
Thanks again, I'll try to do you thief mains proud :D
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By Odin.Sheelay 2011-04-15 21:41:52
Bismarck.Josiahfk said: Odin.Katoke said: anyone who says different should retire thief.
to the person who meritted flee, go kill yourself. I wonder exactly what someone is thinking when they type sentences like this.
"you do something you decided yourself on for a reason? YOU DON'T DESERVE TO EXIST" lol
I want to be in the blinking avatar too!!!! D:
 Titan.Bomber
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By Titan.Bomber 2011-04-16 02:08:34
Atmas i use RR+omnipotent+sanguine scythe ^^
Bahamut.Dasva
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-04-16 02:15:50
Titan.Bomber said: Atmas i use RR+omnipotent+sanguine scythe ^^ No. With RR and job trait and loki's SS will only increase your crit dmg by 4.8%. Then you factor in you only have 1 crit rate atma leaving your crit rate at only a little over 50% makes it more like 3.5% increase in melee and crit ws dmg. If you are using crit daggers too it's pretty much nothing.
Omnipotent is only good is if you are seriously needing the haste to cap gear haste... which should only really happen if you are using nuskas
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By Sylph.Hitetsu 2011-04-16 02:28:42
Personally I dropped my Feint merits for Aura Steal and I find myself using it a lot more than I ever did Feint.
Atm I have
5/5 Triple Attack
5/5 Trick Attack
5/5 Aura Steal
5/5 Assassin's Charge
For Atma's, I usually use Razed Ruins, Gnarled Horn and Alpha & Omega (will be Apocalypse when I get it).
That's normally when I'm tanking though, when I get Apoc and I'm not there to tank, I'd consider Razed Ruins, Alpha & Omega and Apocolypse. (I'd also consider this when I get 5/5 AF3+2)
Leviathan.Apoptygma
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By Leviathan.Apoptygma 2011-04-16 13:05:27
lol 5/5 flee.
that's serious business.
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By Bahamut.Raenryong 2011-04-16 13:07:03
Bahamut.Dasva said: Titan.Bomber said: Atmas i use RR+omnipotent+sanguine scythe ^^ No. With RR and job trait and loki's SS will only increase your crit dmg by 4.8%. Then you factor in you only have 1 crit rate atma leaving your crit rate at only a little over 50% makes it more like 3.5% increase in melee and crit ws dmg. If you are using crit daggers too it's pretty much nothing.
Omnipotent is only good is if you are seriously needing the haste to cap gear haste... which should only really happen if you are using nuskas
6% Hat
1% Neck
5% Body
4% Hands
5% Legs
4% Feet
= 25% Haste with Nusku's Sash.
Not criticising you but just saying ~ don't even need Omnipotent here.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-04-16 13:10:08
Feint is pretty useless nowdays... better off leaving in just one incase the WHM needs to melee for tp for blue proc. Better off putting them into Aura steal tbh.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-04-16 13:23:53
Really? First off, who brings a RNG to events? If you do, why are they using sidewinder/slugshot? Second, cap your skills out then...? Point is, no real group needs Feint when you are capped acc, it does nothing.
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Quetzalcoatl.Xueye
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By Quetzalcoatl.Xueye 2011-04-16 13:24:08
"Feint is great if you're using gimps to proc"
Tell them to level their skills. Much more effective ~_~
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Phoenix.Fondue
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-04-16 13:25:14
Leviathan.Draylo said: Really? First off, who brings a RNG to events? If you do, why are they using sidewinder/slugshot? Second, cap your skills out then...? Point is, no real group needs Feint when you are capped acc, it does nothing. Quetzalcoatl.Xueye said: "Feint is great if you're using gimps to proc"
Tell them to level their skills. Much more effective ~_~
shut the *** up
and
shut the *** up
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2011-04-16 13:26:25
Leviathan.Draylo said: Feint is pretty useless nowdays... better off leaving in just one incase the WHM needs to melee for tp for blue proc. Better off putting them into Aura steal tbh.
Inside abyssea anyway..but keep in mind theres new hnm's enroute that ppl are thinking will be outside abyssea. In which case 5/5 feint still has some value.
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-04-16 13:26:33
Good lord, why are there so many gimp scrubs who fling around insults every 5 seconds when they can't back up their point?
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Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-04-16 13:27:02
Seraph.Gilhaven said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Feint is pretty useless nowdays... better off leaving in just one incase the WHM needs to melee for tp for blue proc. Better off putting them into Aura steal tbh.
Inside abyssea anyway..but keep in mind theres new hnm's enroute that ppl are thinking will be outside abyssea. In which case 5/5 feint still has some value.
This is true, but atm that is a month away and merits can be gotten within an hour.
Phoenix.Fondue
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-04-16 13:27:12
nice mermans rings bro, dark rings are hard to get
Leviathan.Draylo
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By Leviathan.Draylo 2011-04-16 13:28:15
Dark rings don't do anything for me except save inventory space since I am already capped MDT, nice try bro.
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By Ifrit.Darkanaseur 2011-04-16 13:29:38
Contrary to belief you aren't automatically capping accuracy with your main weapon on everything, secondary and sub weapons fall way behind that, Feint is still useful (less so than it was). Capped != capped hit rate.
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2011-04-16 13:29:58
Leviathan.Draylo said: Seraph.Gilhaven said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Feint is pretty useless nowdays... better off leaving in just one incase the WHM needs to melee for tp for blue proc. Better off putting them into Aura steal tbh.
Inside abyssea anyway..but keep in mind theres new hnm's enroute that ppl are thinking will be outside abyssea. In which case 5/5 feint still has some value.
This is true, but atm that is a month away and merits can be gotten within an hour.
I s'pose its a matter of personal preference. Saves time from deleteing merits and redoing them later...but if you plan on spending most of your time in abyssea then ya.. skip feint.
Phoenix.Fondue
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By Phoenix.Fondue 2011-04-16 13:31:08
nope, clearly from your last equipment screenshot you only have -18% mdt in your idle set which could be a lot better with dark rings
get on my level scrub
Bismarck.Maxse
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By Bismarck.Maxse 2011-04-16 13:31:29
Feint was very useful for me the other day on Simurgh lol, that thing still has serious evasion at 90 with capped skill.(even without him using feather barrier)
So as you know, my current high level job choices aren't great.
And I've been considering what jobs I'd like to level up, and THF is one of them.
So a few questions:
1) Is Nin and War the only subs I'll need?
2) Do I need to get a ton of gear outside of abyssea, or can I do well on AH and Abyssea gear only?
3) Is the Twashtar worth it?
Thanks.
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