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By Quiznor 2013-02-24 11:13:30  
Ramuh.Sagittario said: »
Remember to do the right exercises for building muscle, it's equally as important if not more than calorie intake. Low reps, slow movements, heavy weights.

Examples!
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-02-24 14:58:07  
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I wasn't knocking those supplements, I take them too and they help. I think BCAAs are underrated and have helped me tremendously with doms. and without enough protein, you simply wont grow.
Oh i take bcaas. I'm a huge fan of Scivation Xtend BCAA. As far as the questions on diet people are asking it depends on your goals and any intra workout supplements. Generally if your going for leaner gains skip a pre workout meal. BCAAs intraworkout help immensely if your working out on an empty stomach. If your going for max gains on the other hand, a pre work out whey shake is ok like 30 mins before.

Regardless, a post workout whey with creatine within 15 minutes of working out.

Then either BCAAs or a casein protein before bed. I personally find BCAA before bed keep my bf% under control while preventing catabolism.

This is what i do and its pretty effective for me as far as increasing my lifts every week.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-02-24 15:09:40  
I take iron pills!
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By Odin.Godofgods 2013-02-24 16:07:46  
No caffien, no sugar, drinks... any ideas?
(avoiding aspartame too)
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By Quetzalcoatl.Waffless 2013-02-24 16:09:12  
Water, and lots of it.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-02-24 16:11:27  
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Water, and lots of it.
and if it gets boring, add Mio or a similar 0 calorie product
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By Odin.Godofgods 2013-02-24 16:39:40  
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Water, and lots of it.
kinda what ive been stuck with the last few years...
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-02-24 16:40:22  
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No caffien, no sugar, drinks... any ideas?
(avoiding aspartame too)

Iced green or white tea. superior hydration and antioxidants. You can't go wrong with that.

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Ramuh.Sagittario said: »
Remember to do the right exercises for building muscle, it's equally as important if not more than calorie intake. Low reps, slow movements, heavy weights.

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Basically if your not lifting properly you are not really getting the full benefit of a lift.

So before you head to the dumb-/bar- bells make sure you have proper form down. Use the machines, smith-machines, pulleys to get angle and form right.

As far as doing low reps/heavy weights. I personally do a combination of both to build both mass and strength. So like I'll do 4-5 sets on a particular exercise. 12reps,10reps> increase weight > 8 reps>increase> 4reps.

I also know people who do 12>12>4>4. Its important that you switch it up. Your body gets accustomed to particular workout routines so you have to constantly be challenging your body.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2013-02-24 16:40:24  
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Ramuh.Sagittario said: »
Remember to do the right exercises for building muscle, it's equally as important if not more than calorie intake. Low reps, slow movements, heavy weights.

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3 basic strength and muscle builders are essential - squat, dead lift, bench press. Then any additional muscles groups you want to build on top of those exercises. Low reps with heavy weights to break down the muscle. I don't have time to explain fully atm so maybe someone else can help for now!
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By Asura.Slugman 2013-02-24 16:46:27  
Basically, if you don't intake enough carbs, your body will find other means to exert energy, this means burning protein (which is detrimental) and/or fat.


As far as your goals, there are 2 types of muscle growth; myofibrillar hypertrophy and sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. The former occurs when lifting heavy weight with low reps. It builds strength and some muscle. The latter occurs with lighter weight and higher reps. There is more visible mass buildup (think bodybuilder) and some endurance with little actual strength gain.


If your goal is to build strength, stick with heavy weights, and low reps with compound movements.

If mass is your goal just go with a little lighter weights and higher reps. Compound movements can still be done, but you will probably want to work in some isolated lifts as well.



As far as the iron pills go they aren't always recommended unless you have an iron deficiency or old as ***.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-02-24 16:48:12  
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As far as the iron pills go they aren't always recommended unless you have an iron deficiency or old as ***.

My iron is generally too low 50% of the time to donate blood and I have to come in another time (hell, they don't even make me fill out the paperwork anymore until AFTER they've checked my iron)
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By Asura.Slugman 2013-02-24 16:52:27  
Ramuh.Sagittario said: »
Quiznor said: »
Ramuh.Sagittario said: »
Remember to do the right exercises for building muscle, it's equally as important if not more than calorie intake. Low reps, slow movements, heavy weights.

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3 basic strength and muscle builders are essential - squat, dead lift, bench press. Then any additional muscles groups you want to build on top of those exercises. Low reps with heavy weights to break down the muscle. I don't have time to explain fully atm so maybe someone else can help for now!


You forgot cleans.


But basically the goal is to cause enough trauma to tear the muscle cells down, and then rebuild them. The more and more you lift, the more your muscles will be accustomed to the trauma and in a sense "know" what to do. You will notice less and less soreness as the weeks go by, and less time for recovery.
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By Asura.Slugman 2013-02-24 16:56:55  
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As far as the iron pills go they aren't always recommended unless you have an iron deficiency or old as ***.

My iron is generally too low 50% of the time to donate blood and I have to come in another time (hell, they don't even make me fill out the paperwork anymore until AFTER they've checked my iron)



Your diet low on red meat? or are you just warped :P
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-02-24 16:58:28  
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3 basic strength and muscle builders are essential - squat, dead lift, bench press.

Dead lifts? Which type? Squats are gonna target your legs better unless you have a f#cked up back or knees.

For back I personally like bent knee rows or real t-bar(where you but the barbell in the corner of the room). I find bent-knee rows and t-bar to get me a bigger back than even stiff-legged deadlifts.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-02-24 17:00:51  
Petty much; aside from fast food, I don't eat red meat at all. Boneless Skinless Chicken breasts is $1.99/lb, and the cheapest red meat that I can make taste good w/o a *** of extra calories (for example I can eat chicken by itself, but to eat hamburger meat, I need buns, which in turn increases the calories by a fkton), a lot more expensive than that (steak, etc.), so I avoid it for price purposes.

But a pack of instant grits has 45% of the daily recommended iron, and I eat 4-5 packs of that every day mixed in with a couple of eggs. (I actually eat a lot of eggs, and those are pretty high in iron themselves)
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By luckycharms1877 2013-02-24 17:01:25  
DEAD LIFTS!
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By Quiznor 2013-02-24 17:08:46  
Dead lifts are the *** devil!

Make your back thick as *** though :3333
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By luckycharms1877 2013-02-24 17:11:23  
I'm a Steak kinda guy myself but if i do not eat later than 8pm if I do get a little hungry I will eat some fruit or maybe a baked potato or maybe have a protein shake.

Instant grits are my favorite that with some eggs and turkey sausage.

As for work outs its always good to mix things up. Wish i could explain better but I'm not much of a typer.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-02-24 17:11:41  
I can't do them due to my bad lower back. I try to throw Romanian dead lifts in once in a while though. I can handle those a bit better
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-02-24 17:13:42  
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Instant grits are my favorite that with some eggs

Try this, it's what I've been doing for like a week and I *** love it.

Put 4 packs of instant grits in a bowl
Boil some water
Crack 2 eggs on top of the grits
Take the boiling water and pour it on the grits/eggs
Take a fork, crush the yolks, and mix for about 30-60 secs (long enough for the boiling water to have cooked the eggs).

Comes out REAL good. Came up with it a bit ago due to boredom and I love it.

2 packs of grits to 1 egg ratio seems to work, though I haven't tried any other.
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By Quiznor 2013-02-24 17:16:25  
Had to google grits.....never seen them here ever :o

DONT JUDGE ME!
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By Asura.Slugman 2013-02-24 17:27:56  
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Instant grits are my favorite that with some eggs

Try this, it's what I've been doing for like a week and I *** love it.

Put 4 packs of instant grits in a bowl
Boil some water
Crack 2 eggs on top of the grits
Take the boiling water and pour it on the grits/eggs
Take a fork, crush the yolks, and mix for about 30-60 secs (long enough for the boiling water to have cooked the eggs).

Comes out REAL good. Came up with it a bit ago due to boredom and I love it.

2 packs of grits to 1 egg ratio seems to work, though I haven't tried any other.


Throw them on top of a hamburger and you have poor mans loco moco!
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-02-24 17:38:50  
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Throw them on top of a hamburger and you have poor mans loco moco!
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By Asura.Slugman 2013-02-24 18:28:20  
I think a requirement for Hawaiian food is that it has to be 6000 calories or higher.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-02-24 18:33:33  
This 2,000 cals a day is mentally taxing for me. Ate a gronola bar this morning and looked at the wrapper afterwards and was like "*** 200 calories already?"
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By Odin.Godofgods 2013-02-24 18:40:26  
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No caffien, no sugar, drinks... any ideas? (avoiding aspartame too)
Iced green or white tea. superior hydration and antioxidants. You can't go wrong with that.

Tea seems to have the same effect as sugar or caffine. It just makes me incredibly tired or knocks me out. And i dont mean a crash from a high.
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By Odin.Godofgods 2013-02-24 18:41:40  
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Had to google grits.....never seen them here ever :o DONT JUDGE ME!

me either'
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By Asura.Slugman 2013-02-24 18:56:01  
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This 2,000 cals a day is mentally taxing for me. Ate a gronola bar this morning and looked at the wrapper afterwards and was like "*** 200 calories already?"


Nature valley makes protein granola bars now with a 10:6:6 protein:carb:fat ratio. and they are amazingly delicious. They are a bit pricey though.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-02-24 19:04:42  
I have a bit of leeway now. While I continue to get denied for foodstamps, my uncle was approved, and he's lazy as *** to shop/never uses it, so let's me get stuff for myself if I do his shopping as well
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By Sylph.Rafaras 2013-02-24 19:32:52  
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Edit: Another tip would be is to stay away from "machines" and to stick to free weights and bars. Machines are used for toning that specific muscle, nothing more.

Where on earth did you pick up this piece of information.

Don't get me wrong, I'm against machines as primary movements, and even then, only use a handful of them as secondary, or even tertiary movements (like after weighted pull ups, I may do a lat pull down, or after dumbbell bench and barbell bench, may do machine bench, etc.), and would under no circumstance recommend any machine as a primary movement, but the toning muscle thing is just 100% off base.

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Growing needs more carbs, not protein. Think of it this way; Protein gives your muscles that lean look and full body composure, as for carbs, it gives you SIZE and that extra push you want in your daily life such as working out, working, and everything else. Basically what you need is a mixture of both of them to have a complete body. Ignore one, and your body collapses.

Carbs are good because you need them as an energy source, and those no carb diets, will use proteins as an energy source when you don't have any carbs to pull from. That said, it's not carbs that are giving you size @.@ and again w/ the lean thing, 100% wrong. Proteins are great for you know, protein synthesis. When your muscle fibers are repairing from the damage you did to it.

I still come to the same general conclusion, get both carbs and proteins, but entirely for a different reason

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And for everyone out here who wants to do the same workout as The Rock or any professional athlete's. But that's just wrong. Those exercise routine's are done by professionals or people with experience and already have a built body.

With this specific example, it's because he's using steroids, not because he's already built. Roids give you insane proteins synthesis, so your recovery is so much faster and you can work longer as well. Which is why natural people can never come to a competing level with people on roids (who are actually putting in effort to get the full use of them)

Two points I want to point out there is that,

1) Tiger, you said it yourself, you use machines as secondary workouts and not as your primary for the sole fact that it just isn't your typical super saiyan like exercise. When I said toning I mean giving it that specific pump into that specific area. Machine exercises cannot be compared to dead lifts or squats or free bar bench press.

2) Without carbs you'll be a walking lean guy. Try going for a %100 protein ONLY diet for 6 weeks and see how you'll look like. In fact, I will post a few pics of myself in a few hours and you'll see for yourself.

3) You know that's not just only steroids right? He's also taking Growth hormone as well as klenbutrol(for lean days), edanore, mandadore, terasol, and many other steroids. Trust me, I know alot of professional body builders take more than 5 types of steroids at the same time.

And the main one that gives your muscles quick recovery is Growth Hormone(GH).

Finally, I'm not wrong. If you think your way is fine then go ahead and do it. I've helped out A LOT of people throughout my life with weight loss and muscle gaining to be wrong. Total count is 43 people, with 8 quitting due to not being able to take my training. I used to weight 242 pounds(110 KG's) @ the age of 14, and having so much ego, I wouldn't ask for help from anyone. Instead, I researched, asked people with experience, experimented on my own, and with all that knowledge I did what I did and got down to 169.4(ON SEASON TRAINING). So don't go around saying I do not know what I am talking about because experience will beat any magazine and article out there.
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