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Anyone know some great deltoid exercises? I've never isolated them before(but press and deadlift and squat) and I tried lateral raises with like 15lbs and I struggle with those. I tried shrugs but never felt any kind of burn or pump even like 30lbs dumbells(if anything I felt it more in my neck). I did arnold presses with 40lb dumbells and felt it more in my serratus. I've tried bent over cable lateral raises but could only manage to complete reps with a single plate(5lb) otherwise I felt a huge strain on my elbow. I'm 5'6 160. Should I just get shoulder size from bench/lifting? Isolating doesn't seem very effective and hurts my neck(woke up with severe stiff neck the other day and couldn't turn more than 30deg without sharp pain.

I've got some lower back soreness. I'm just wondering if this is normal? I get it every now and then, but I've had this reoccurring soreness throughout my whole life.

Doctors don't really have answer besides that I'm big and since I'm big I have a high chance of having lower back problems.

The thing is, it's not really a problem like as if it weakens my exercises or something serious, it's just achy like I need to stretch. which is another thing I need addressed good lower back stretches! the way I'm built I guess, or the way my muscles are connected the ones I see on the internet don't really give me that stretching feeling.

I've heard that combat sports like boxing or kickboxing where you twist your upper body a lot or turn your hips a lot can have negative effects on your lower back.

I fought in MMA fights since I was 18 and I'm 29 now, so I'm kind of leaning towards this, except I've always thought I was strengthening my lower back by training.

couldn't be HIV because I've never had sex or a blood transfusion. and I've only been on this new diet for a few days now but I did start the probiotic supplement about 2 weeks ago, I changed my diet further a few days ago because I found out our good microbes need fiber to survive

@Beef: You could be overtraining the muscles in your lower back, actually. Have you done much of anything to work on flexibility? It's entirely possible that your lower back muscles are prone to spasming because they're so highly strung. Try a couple sessions of yoga and see if that has any effect. Fair warning: if you haven't done yoga and/or other kinds of stretching much, you're probably going to hurt like hell after the first session or three.

@Endoq: It sounds like your gut problems should subside in a little more time, then. All those other problems, though, are quite unusual and more than a little frightening. I hope you have a physician following you?

Expect to have really low numbers on lateral raises and front raises, when you isolate the deltoid it becomes a lot weaker than you expect. If 10-15lbs is getting you 8-10 reps then so be it, stick with that and don't feel embarrassed by it.

The opposite goes for shrugs, you should be piling on the weight there because the low range of motion in the exercise can allow you to really go heavy (so long as you keep form in check). I prefer shrugs with a barbell because my hands just give out on heavy dumbbells before my traps do, and I don't feel like buying straps. You should be feeling shrugs more in your rear neck anyway, it's essentially a trap exercise more than shoulder.

My current shoulder day routine is: Standing military press, upright rows superset with lateral raises, front raises superset with rear delt flys, and barbell shrugs.

Is your form in check? Especially with lateral raises it's easy to tilt your neck if you're not focusing. Maybe switch to cable lateral raises?

The cables are still giving you more ROM than the machines for deltoid exercises.

Well I was doing bentover lateral cable raises like this



Wasn't feeling anything with 5lbs after 8x3 and I couldn't even complete the full range of motion with 10lb.

Thanks for the response.

I've never been that flexible especially in the lower back. What you described sounds exactly like the problem, the discomfort is similar to spasms.

I will definitely try yoga as I have never tried it before, but flexibility indeed sounds like my problem.

there was a bad dust storm w/tornado touch down where I live and just about everyone I know got chest congestion after that but I got antibiotics for mine and as a result I never gained a true immunity to the bug it seems, but since I've been using natural medicines (echinacea/goldenseal root/garlic oil concentrate/probiotic supplements/foods) and my health has since cleared up so I'm sticking to this as a new life style of organic GMO free foods and avoiding anything processed

But as far a physician goes, I'm completely convinced that my doctor doesn't care about my health because after some research I found out that there is no antibiotic to treat a viral lung infection, the only way is by fighting it naturally by gaining the immunity to the virus. It seems he only wants to sell me drugs rather than tell me how to heal myself. :/

if your hands give out before your traps do with dumbbells you should use straps and try increasing your grip strength.

i'm no personal trainer or anything but i'm a huge advocate of grip training. i trained my grip for a couple years using Ironmind products and literally with just grip training, heavy weight for me before felt very light and seemed i had much more control of where i wanted the weight to go.

To the guy with the delt question. Have you tried up right rows. It hits all 3 heads of the delts and has some benifit to the traps.

Unfortunately, I was afraid you'd say something like that. I was surprised to hear you'd been on multiple courses of antibiotics, especially for a lung infection. You may still want to try to find a better physician, though, considering the array of misery you've been through lately. If possible, you might consider looking for a DO instead of an MD as DOs tend to avoid over-medicating in favor of other methods.

This sounds weird. You sure it was repeated chest infections? I mean, I assume productive cough was one of the symptoms, has your doctor ever ordered a sputum analysis? Very hard to imagine a doctor prescribing antibiotics for a viral infection, unless prophylactically, to prevent superinfection with bacteria. But that's only in special cases (like immunodeficiency as Onorgul pointed out), and in that case, you would know your diagnosis already.

Sadly, Zeig, I've heard a lot of horror stories about physicians throwing antibiotics at infections with little interest in their efficacy, which is why we now have MRSA. Not all physicians are competent.

he used a stethoscope on my back and had me inhale and exhale and said I need an antibiotic and an inhaler along with a few other medications after listening to phlegm in my lungs, this is literally all he did

EDIT: It seems i double posted some how and made a blank post o.o;

medical doctors are not to be tursted all the drugs they give u all they do maintain you they do not fix the problem and + there are side effects that cause other problems. and sergery's for diseases are pointless. there is always a natrual way that will cure you from what ever you have just pharmaceuticals hide cures for things like arthritis and cancer just to make money. and it is the worst in the west here
i could see maby sergerys and drugs if you get in to accedent and get banged up bad but dieses wise they are useless

MRSA is also the fault of patients. Patients demanding antibiotics when they have viral infections doesn't help but that's another topic.

You really should just get a second opinion from another physician. We can give you basic advice at best, but at the safety of yourself and those around you it's best to get this checked out by another physician.

If at any point your dissatisfied with the care of your physician simply go elsewhere. However if the symptoms are lasting this long you could request to see a pulmonary specialist.

I don't think the "low class" like me have many options... all the doctors available to me seem to use the same practice of throwing drugs at people until they go away :/

You can't say that and not spill the beans! Which # did you close? ;) I can do 10 reps with my #1 but I can't close my #2 for the life of me. Need to pick up a 1.5. Ironmind stuff is awesome.

It sounds like you need to see a pulmonary specialist. In the mean time perhaps invest in a vaporizer or try inhaling the steam during a hot shower.

a.) Your English is barely comprehensible.

b.) Your fallacious opinion is founded in paranoid delusion.

I am not convinced these two facts are unrelated.

Without knowing where you're located, I am limited in the advice I can offer. Even if I did know where in the States you are, I can't guarantee there are many options for you. However, with ACA and if you're in one of the many states that have expanded Medicaid coverage, you may qualify for Medicaid if your income is that low. It's a bit of a pain in the ***, but any kind of health insurance, including Medicaid, should give you better access to competent physicians.

The alternative is to attempt to do what I've done when I have had to go to a free clinic: make it clear that you know what is going on and insist on getting the correct treatment. Unfortunately, it's not clear what exactly is the matter with you and I'm guessing you don't have the medical chops to easily pull the game off.* I live in a moderately large city, though, and there are a bunch of free clinics available, including one run by the local university and another by the city health department. If you live in a place with a reasonable population, you should be able to get access to proper care. The US has a problem of making medical care available to all of its citizens, but we do have basically the best medical system in the world once care is available, so short of living in the boonies, there should be someone to help you.

* Nothing is quite as amusing as being examined by a nervous first-year medical student as she slowly realizes her patient knows more than she does. I pretended she did a few things I had done (notably: marking where I had fractured my tibia) so she could impress the physician who was observing her.

I always thought the medical system was good till about october of 2012 my left joint deterated doctors wanted to do a full hip replacement on me and they said cartilage can not heal. I been dealing with a natrual path and a chiropractor for abit and now I can walk around no crutches. not takeing drugs never got hip replecement sergery and movement in hip is comming back slowly. rebuild cartilage is posable but you basicly need to go on a plant based diet and you have to stay away from soft drinks, carbonated drinks, refined Carbohydrates, and all sugar and junk foods. I would have had abit more cartilage come back but i been eating fast food and candy witch is not the best thing for me. I do apoligize that my wording and spelling and gramer is bad. also for regrowing cartilage gelatin and
Collagen are good things to have

Can you demonstrate that you have actually regenerated cartilage? Not that you have increased mobility, but that you have genuinely increased the volume of cartilage in your hip joint. Also, if you don't mind my asking, what decade of your life are you in (teens, 20s, 30s, etc.)?

I'm not going to say all physicians are correct, particularly because I said the exact opposite near the top of this page. As a rule, hospital physicians (as opposed to general practicioners) tend to assume the worst case scenario. And they lie flagrantly to patients. The pessimism and lying are somewhat connected: if you give too much hope, patients may refuse treatment which can ultimately lead to worse problems, not least of which can be a malpractice suit. Patients have done a lot to ruin medicine owing to the excessively litigious nature of contemporary society.

When your doctor told you that cartilage doesn't regenerate, he was stretching the truth. It can regenerate, but it is atypical. About half the things you listed in your diet are probably irrelevant factors, too. Proper therapy, youth, and a little luck can allow for the recovery from injury, but it's not a sure thing. Lemme see if I can find a video:



He destroyed his cartilage as a result of years of paratrooper training and deployment. He was crippled and got worse as a consequence of obesity. Eventually he fought back and won out. Part of that was luck, more of it was work.

If you worked in a hospital and saw how few patients are willing to put in even the slightest modicum of effort towards their recovery, you'd become jaded, too. When I was about 11, I threw out my back. That's not something an 11-year-old should be able to do. I was put into physical therapy to recover. And I fought every inch of the way, doing as little as possible and giving up quickly. My mother eventually realized that PT wasn't going to work with me and convinced me to take up ballet instead, which worked to correct my back problems and also assisted with my pigeon-toed feet (though consequently twisted my femurs during puberty and thereby made it painful for me to run). I actually have a laundry list of moderate disabilities that I've learned to ignore and, surprisingly, I am considerably stronger than most people I know in spite, largely because I eventually learned that I had to put in the effort.

Is medicine perfect? Hardly. Are doctors totally reliable? Not while they're still human. But an occasional flawed diagnosis is not a reason to reject modern medicine in favor of some fluff-headed homeopathic nonsense.

Oh, and although I will admit that I am biased because my father is a DO, I strongly recommend people seek DOs if at all possible. MDs are notorious for relying on pills to fix problems and, you're right, pills aren't always the answer. The above poster, Beef, if he spoke to an MD would probably be given a prescription for a high dose of ibuprofen. A DO would be more likely to recommend therapy or stretching, as I did. When I cracked my skull a couple months ago, I was given a scrip for oxycodone that I opted not to fill because Tylenol controlled the pain. On the other hand, though, when I nearly went deaf at age 6 due to a long series of ear infections (note: kids get ear infections very commonly, be prepared for it when/if you have them), it would have been insane not to send me into surgery to correct the problem.

There's no single perfect solution. The best advice I can offer as someone who has literally grown up in hospitals (I went to medical school with my father for heaven's sake!) is to do your best to educate yourself. That's a lot easier said than done, though. The internet is a wonderful resource but perusing WebMD for a few minutes has a bad habit of leaving people feeling hypochondriac. It takes a lot of time to sort out truth from fiction. It's unfortunate, but medicine is constantly progressing and errors do happen. That's no good reason to condemn it, though.

I have seen that video before and I am 21 and the hip just degenerated out of no where I am conviced it was because of some medication I was given for acne over the summer before this happend I can not remember the name of that medication I will make a edit If I remember it but when my hip first gave me problems doctor gave me arthritec and oxycoten to take and I am sure that made things way worse with my hip and those did mess up my stomic something bad. The natral path I am seeing right now he used to be a MD a shrink and a surgion and he is now a natrual path. he has cured people of cancer and other things. and he has told me storys about the medical system. like it is bad practice to cure the paitents because they will have no need to come back and that means no money. and sorry again for my bad spelling and gramer.



Edit: the acne drug i had was monocyclin or minicyclin not sure what exactly it was but was something along that line

We live in Canada Ryan. No matter how many patients they cure, they'll always have an income from the government. Can't really use that as an excuse.

that is the part I am still trying to figer out is goverment paying for things with medical. If went all natrual for things they would save alot of money my guess is pharmaceuticals has more a impact on goverment then we think but I am not entirly sure about that

I should clarify that my lung infection is gone, but I am making sure that it never comes back by staying with this new diet of natural foods and cutting out as many processed foods as possible (sometimes unhealthy food is unavoidable), our bodies are like a living planet full of life/microbes, these microbes actually out number our own cells 10 to 1 so we are basically 90% microbes living in the same vessel and this ecosystem is easily thrown off balance despite the durability of the human body.

Trust me when I say I don't take my health for granted, I'm usually the first person to go running to a doctor, I spent the first 10 years of my life on full time antibiotics (for sinus issues), so I tended to trust doctors until I realized they have failed me miserably and now I'm taking matters into my own hands by educating myself through as many places as I can, I have found many conflicting advice but I always cross reference these factoids with as many other sources as I can and just keep digging for more info on that info and so on.
If this problem does persist it will indicate to me something more serious, and at that point I will go for a screening for actual diseases with a DO and not an MD

When you look for help diagnosing an ailment on the internet, you will inevitably find out that you have cancer.

lol it's true there is a tendency to give the worst possible diagnosis