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Fitness and Nutrition general
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2013-12-21 08:10:44
Don't have/can't afford a doctor I assume you live in a city. I don't think there's a single city in the country that lacks a free or very-low-income clinic. I would recommend a simple Google search or possibly calling 211. Iron anemia is slightly unusual in men and never a good thing.
That said, you mentioned this is in relation to donating blood. I have difficulty when I've tried to do that because my blood pressure and body temperature are both slightly below average, a genetic trait I share with my mother and her father. It is possible that you just have harmlessly lower serum iron than other people, but you need to have a physician check it out.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-12-21 08:48:10
There is a free clinic in my city, but my city has a rather unusual large homeless population. The clinic, in general opens at 8 or 9am depending on the day. If you don't get into that line at around 4am, you're not being seen. Headache and a half and not even sure what kind of equipment they have on hand/what they're able to look at; but getting into that clinic is pretty damn difficult.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2013-12-21 09:10:36
I live in a mid-sized city that, admittedly, has a lot of effective charity work being done and helps out our homeless population very well, and there are free clinics open 6 days out of the week, to say nothing of specialist practices for various ethnic groups. I find it difficult to believe there's only one option for you, but I've been shown to be wrong before.
You likely don't even need testing except possibly a blood draw, anyhow. Unless you do turn out to be anemic, all you would need is a 10-minute consult.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2013-12-24 11:24:18
Merry Christmas! lol
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By Seraph.Jacaut 2013-12-24 11:50:26
been working out weekly since october now, really enjoying it now. had some random questions. I dont feel like im working out long enough, no matter what i do its generally an hour. its about all the window i have and i feel good after that hour, but then when i get home 20 minutes later i feel like i could go for round 2. i got 3 toddlers and a pregnant wife at home, along with working a fulltime job so sometimes an hour is all i can get in. general routine is 3 miles on a treadmill then 30 minutes of lifting weights whether it be upper/lower body 3 sets of 10 reps. upper is usually 7 machines and lower is 5 machines. I tend to just keep going and cycling through the machines and i feel like im doing it too quick, do i needa take a break inbewteen reps?
Side note, my pre-workout has been giving me heartburn is that common for anyone else? I use Razor 8. thanks in advance ^^
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2013-12-24 16:31:16
been working out weekly since october now, really enjoying it now. had some random questions. I dont feel like im working out long enough, no matter what i do its generally an hour. its about all the window i have and i feel good after that hour, but then when i get home 20 minutes later i feel like i could go for round 2. i got 3 toddlers and a pregnant wife at home, along with working a fulltime job so sometimes an hour is all i can get in. general routine is 3 miles on a treadmill then 30 minutes of lifting weights whether it be upper/lower body 3 sets of 10 reps. upper is usually 7 machines and lower is 5 machines. I tend to just keep going and cycling through the machines and i feel like im doing it too quick, do i needa take a break inbewteen reps?
Side note, my pre-workout has been giving me heartburn is that common for anyone else? I use Razor 8. thanks in advance ^^
Circuit training is fine if a) you are alternating muscle groups (going from bicep curls to bench press for example) or b) the rep range is high enough not to be experiencing total fatigue.
If your goal is building strength then you would want a break in between sets and lowering the rep range down. If you just want to "get in shape" then circuit training is completely fine.
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By Seraph.Jacaut 2013-12-24 16:51:38
Yeah I have been alternating yay I did something right! I was always confused on if you needed to tone before going for bulk? Just assumed it would help or can I jump right into higher weights and lower reps? Also was wondering if there was a huge difference between machines and free weights? There's usually people in the free weight room and I'm so antisocial I find it awkward being around people and working out.
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By Carbuncle.Whittle 2013-12-24 16:59:18
In the spirit of the holidays, I gift to all of you:
http://www.30bananasaday.com
The high raw, high carb, low fat, plant based lifestyle allows you to eat abundantly while avoiding some of the US' leading causes of death: heart disease and cancer.
For those of you concerned with calorie intake, 5g of carbs per kg of body weight is recommended at MINIMUM. Recommended caloric ratio of carbs/fat/protein are 80/10/10 or 90/5/5.
Give your body the sugars it needs to fuel you through your entire day. Be motivated to do more. Eat until you are completely full with no calorie restriction.
If you have the time, take a browse over the site and get inspired. It changed my life. Now it's time to change yours!
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-12-24 17:11:16
Carbuncle.Whittle said: »In the spirit of the holidays, I gift to all of you:
http://www.30bananasaday.com
The high raw, high carb, low fat, plant based lifestyle allows you to eat abundantly while avoiding some of the US' leading causes of death: heart disease and cancer.
For those of you concerned with calorie intake, 5g of carbs per kg of body weight is recommended at MINIMUM. Recommended caloric ratio of carbs/fat/protein are 80/10/10 or 90/5/5.
Give your body the sugars it needs to fuel you through your entire day. Be motivated to do more. Eat until you are completely full with no calorie restriction.
If you have the time, take a browse over the site and get inspired. It changed my life. Now it's time to change yours! :/
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2013-12-24 17:32:43
Carbuncle.Whittle said: »The high raw, high carb, low fat, plant based lifestyle allows you to eat abundantly while avoiding some of the US' leading causes of death: heart disease and cancer. Heart disease is more likely to be caused by carbohydrates than not. Saturated and unsaturated fats alike are not only heart-healthy but heart-protective.
As for cancer... seriously don't talk about cancer if you don't understand what it is.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-12-24 17:52:36
Carbuncle.Whittle said: »In the spirit of the holidays, I gift to all of you:
http://www.30bananasaday.com
The high raw, high carb, low fat, plant based lifestyle allows you to eat abundantly while avoiding some of the US' leading causes of death: heart disease and cancer.
For those of you concerned with calorie intake, 5g of carbs per kg of body weight is recommended at MINIMUM. Recommended caloric ratio of carbs/fat/protein are 80/10/10 or 90/5/5.
Give your body the sugars it needs to fuel you through your entire day. Be motivated to do more. Eat until you are completely full with no calorie restriction.
If you have the time, take a browse over the site and get inspired. It changed my life. Now it's time to change yours!
This is about as nutritional as a baconwrapped diet!
Gimmick diets are the worst, they lead to cravings, starvation and malnutrition. Fat (good fats) are not the enemy. Eating a balanced diet of good carbs, proteins, and fats is better than any fad diet.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-12-24 17:58:00
Carbuncle.Whittle said: »In the spirit of the holidays, I gift to all of you:
http://www.30bananasaday.com
The high raw, high carb, low fat, plant based lifestyle allows you to eat abundantly while avoiding some of the US' leading causes of death: heart disease and cancer.
For those of you concerned with calorie intake, 5g of carbs per kg of body weight is recommended at MINIMUM. Recommended caloric ratio of carbs/fat/protein are 80/10/10 or 90/5/5.
Give your body the sugars it needs to fuel you through your entire day. Be motivated to do more. Eat until you are completely full with no calorie restriction.
If you have the time, take a browse over the site and get inspired. It changed my life. Now it's time to change yours! Since all the useful follow ups to this post have already been said, I'll just leave this image here instead
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By Carbuncle.Whittle 2013-12-24 21:15:36
Before judging the "diet," please take the time to read a few books. I highly doubt those of you quick to dismiss my post have been able to fully comprehend the benefits of eating lots of fruits and vegetables in such a short amount of time. But that sounds absurd right? Everyone knows eating fruits and vegetables is good for you, right? But wait, too much is bad?
80/10/10 by Dr. Douglas Graham
The Starch Solution by Dr. Douglas McDougal
Dr. Neal Bernard's Program for Reversing Diabetes by Dr. Neal Bernard
Prevent and Reverse Heart Disease by Caldwell B. Esselstyn
The China Study by T. Collin Campbell
As for Onorgull,
Heart disease is more likely to be caused by carbohydrates than not. Saturated and unsaturated fats alike are not only heart-healthy but heart-protective.
As for cancer... seriously don't talk about cancer if you don't understand what it is.
Can you reference the data to support your claims of carbs causing heart disease? I am not stating fat is an enemy. It is essential. It just isn't optimal for those seeking activities and the adventures life can provide to consume the large amounts suggested by the FDA.
And for the cancer statement, data has shown disease (yes that includes cancer) cannot exist in an alkaline environment. Fruits and vegetables have an alkalizing effect on the body. Animal products cause acidity.
Also, for any interested in disproving whole plant foods, especially in their raw state, quickly google the term "digestive leukocytosis" before further reply.
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By Carbuncle.Whittle 2013-12-24 21:20:03
I am speaking from two years on a plant based diet, and have cured my chronic acne, constipation, as well as chronic gout and heartburn.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2013-12-24 21:43:20
Well are you sure it's what you're eating that's doing all that for you rather than what you're not eating?
If yes, how are you sure.
Conventional wisdom says that all the processed food we're eating is what's unhealthy for us. If you're minimizing that, the benefits you're seeing may not be from what you're eating and could be from what you're not eating.
Fruits and vegetables are good for you, yes, but your body can only absorb/use a certain amount at a time. Anymore and it's discarded.
And no, no one's going to read those books.
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By Ramuh.Sagittario 2013-12-24 22:29:36
Guys check out Elliot Hulse on youtube, his channel is fantastic for fitness and nutritional advice aswell as mentoring. Definitely worth a look if you are already reading this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/user/strengthcamp
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-12-24 22:32:59
Carbuncle.Whittle said: »I am speaking from two years on a plant based diet, and have cured my chronic acne, constipation, as well as chronic gout and heartburn.
Obviously a diet rich in fiber will provide some relief for constipation. Also reducing your fat intake reduced the sebum and hormone production therfore reducing some contributing factors to acne. Reducing your fat intake lowered your heartburn because you're eating fast digesting foods.
You didn't really "cure" any of it, I doubt, you just provided temporary relief depending on what was causing them. My point is that a fad diet isn't necessary to accomplish any of these "medical miracles."
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2013-12-24 23:20:27
Its tough to figure out the “ best“ diet. There are factors like genetics,bone structure, metabolism, training regime, goals to consider. Just play around and find what is best for you.
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By Carbuncle.Whittle 2013-12-24 23:48:00
Don't let close mindedness conquer your life. Always keep an open mind about all things in life.
“The mind that opens to a new idea never returns to its original size.”
― Albert Einstein
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-12-25 00:25:22
Guys check out Elliot Hulse on youtube, his channel is fantastic for fitness and nutritional advice aswell as mentoring. Definitely worth a look if you are already reading this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/user/strengthcampThe Strength Camp gym is walking distance from my house.
I've met the E-Coach, Chris, but never been down there when Elliot was in yet though
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2013-12-25 00:29:05
Carbuncle.Whittle said: »Don't let close mindedness conquer your life. Always keep an open mind about all things in life.
“The mind that opens to a new idea never returns to its original size.”
― Albert Einstein
I don't think you're using that quote correctly.
You would have garnered more respect if you hadn't kept ducking behind authority figures.
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2013-12-25 01:27:28
Yeah I have been alternating yay I did something right! I was always confused on if you needed to tone before going for bulk? Just assumed it would help or can I jump right into higher weights and lower reps? Also was wondering if there was a huge difference between machines and free weights? There's usually people in the free weight room and I'm so antisocial I find it awkward being around people and working out.
People cut before a bulk because they don't want to look like huge linebackers. As much as marketing wants you to believe, there's no magic "gain muscle and lose fat!" formula. On a proper bulk, you will gain some fat therefor people like to start when they're already low bodyfat so they won't look too out of shape when the bulk is over. You should be starting with heavier weights ASAP as long as your form is spot on, absorb as much newbs gains as you can (muscles grow faster when you first begin a weight training routine, use this to your advantage).
Big difference between machine and freeweights, big big difference. Machines are great for very particular exercises like lat pulldowns and cable crossovers, but to replace a freeweight exercise with a machine one is going backwards.
As for the 30 bananas a day diet guy, if that really is the diet (if it's some vegan ***I automatically don't read it) then 500 grams of sugar a day will probably get you diabetes faster than you would heart disease eating traditional fast food lol.
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-12-25 01:51:20
Carbuncle.Whittle said: » data has shown disease (yes that includes cancer) cannot exist in an alkaline environment. Are you implying that there is no variation and that every disease is acidic?
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-12-25 01:54:42
To the alkaline comment on cancer I suggest you read up on homeostasis and the buffer system.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2013-12-25 02:15:30
You would have garnered more respect if you hadn't kept ducking behind authority figures. No, he wouldn't have. Neither anecdote nor argument to authority are going to make junk drivel turn into real science.
Citing the motherfucking China Study among his references is ALWAYS a tell-tale sign that they have no idea what science actually is nor what it even looks like. Any time someone mentions that, respect goes to stand in the corner and await being double-tapped in the brainstem because it knows that it'll never appear again.
Lots of ranting follows, so I'll drop it in tags that it can be conveniently ignored.
But, hey, let's demonstrate how argumentum ab auctitore is fallacious: I had the misfortune of being in the same room when my mother turned on Dr. Oz today. His guest, until I forced her to change the channel, was Dr. David Perlmutter. He's an authority who preaches that literally any carbohydrate is not only categorically evil (on the level of child-murderer evil in this guy's mind), but is the direct cause of diabetes, obesity, cancer, and, most recently, Alzheimer's. And he means any carbohydrate. In fact, since things like whole-grain wheat products contain gluten, they're categorically worse than sucking down a quart of high-fructose corn syrup according to him.
In the interests of disclosure, I want to punch both Dr. Oz and Dr. Perlmutter in the face. Then bury them neck-deep in half-frozen vat of elephant diarrhea. Then light them on fire. I can't decide who I hate more: the idiot who thinks that vegetables cause cancer or the media *** who has made a living repeating junk science that was debunked before I had short-and-curlies. To clarify, Oz, like so many media ***, has spent years talking about how fat causes heart disease. He's a cardiologist by training but apparently never read any of the studies published in the early '90s showing the irrelevance of dietary cholesterol and fat intake (above and beyond its native calories, of course).
But, yeah, battle of authority, head-to-head: who is right, the person who says that all non-plant matter causes cancer or the person who says that all plant matter causes cancer?
Here's a minor hint: bleeding neither of them.
Cancer is only partially understood, but we've got a rather good idea of what it is and how it arises. It is basically just normal cells that have mutated sufficiently that they don't stop growing. That's it: they just grow and overtake healthy tissue that has built-in delimiters until the organism dies. The mechanism of mutation is where things get muddy. For one, every single time we're in the sunlight, we're exposed to carcinogenic energy. Ditto being anywhere near electricity, which would include our own neurons, to say nothing of the massive amounts of 100% natural EMR in the world. On the list of mutagens, though, natural foods don't even rate unless you've burnt them (all forms of smoke and carbonization are mutagenic/carcinogenic, meaning not just cigarettes but also marijuana and campfires and burnt toast).
If we're exposed to carcinogenic factors literally every second of every day, why doesn't everyone have cancer? For one, our DNA is either incredibly stupid or incredibly resilient, depending on your personal level of cynicism and religious belief. It's full of redundancies, junk data, and even rogue viruses (not kidding: apparently non-functional parts of the human genome are often virus code that got inserted millions of years ago). Moreover, most mutations that occur in DNA result in failed cell division and the alteration gets flushed out when the cell dies. It takes literally billions of mutations to hit upon a very specific series of effects to cause cancer cell growth. There are a few shortcuts, like how HPV has a nasty habit of invading certain cell-lines and accelerating the process, but cancer is mostly just an inevitable consequence of human frailty that has only started to rise to prominence now that we live long enough for it to appear more often. Cancer in kids is tragic. In a 50-year-old, it's irritating. In an 80-year-old, it's just life.
About all that can be said is that some of the chemicals used in highly prepared and processed foods might be troublesome. It's a big "might," though. Half those chemical names written on the ingredients list of a Hot Pocket are not some sinister concoction built by a mad scientist but natural compounds that never got a colloquial name. I imagine at least some people here know what lecithin is and a Latin scholar could spot its roots instantly, but the ignorant masses would have no idea that it is a thickening agent derived primarily from egg yolks and soy beans. Then again, we live in a world that is trying to turn a boring protein like gluten into a mass-murderer just because a few people have flattened villi.
Oh, and who is getting rich by telling us that saturated fat, gluten, animal protein, or fructose are dangerous? Because the correct response to any claim that anything is good, bad, or indifferent, is "Follow the money." If no one appears to be actively making a buck by telling you something (for instance, I've seen virtually zero capitalist exploitation of the claim that phytoestrogens in soya are detrimental to male testosterone production), then it might be true.
And, ultimately, any diet that suggests completely foregoing a given nutrient is probably wrong. Giving up animal flesh, though, is demonstrably a bad idea. It's not as bad an idea as, say, living exclusively on a diet of Twinkies and canned cheese spray, but it's pretty close. The human species would still be a bunch of chimpanzees without animal protein and fat. Our brains look like sugar-*** with all the energy they consume, but they grew that big both because we started eating meat and because we needed to keep doing so. Our alimentary tract is a confused mess because our parent species have been herbivorous, insectivorous, root-and-nut eaters (one of our ancestors had a mouth full of molars to grind roots into something digestible), and at one point we were even eaters-of-the-dead, not dissimilar to hyenas. We really started to advance when we developed a taste for marrow by figuring out how to get at the stuff by making axes and, consequently, became much more adept at killing animals instead of waiting for a lion to do it.
Anyone who mentions that most technological advances come from war is spot-on, provided you consider war to be an extension of the fight to survive.
Happy Christmas and all that. Maybe Santa will deliver some rational thinking processes to all the bandwagon vegetarians of the world.
As a final aside, I have a friend who is semi-vegan for eco-ethical reasons. Given the impact bovine flatulence has on our ozone layer, he opts to avoid most animal products. I think it's a pointless gesture, but he has at least informed himself and made a logical decision rather than blithely tripping on the hippie Kool-Aid, so he has my respect. That's the only way to earn it, too: by using that magnificent brain we evolved so well.
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By Bismarck.Bloodbathboy 2013-12-25 02:33:22
Yeah I have been alternating yay I did something right! I was always confused on if you needed to tone before going for bulk? Just assumed it would help or can I jump right into higher weights and lower reps? Also was wondering if there was a huge difference between machines and free weights? There's usually people in the free weight room and I'm so antisocial I find it awkward being around people and working out. Jac, we all start out somewhere. Please do not underestimate the benefits of free weights. Machines have there place. But nothing will give you gains of free weights. As for feeling awkward, I get a out stares believe it or not. I just listen to my music and get into my zone. It will pass bro.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2013-12-25 11:05:35
Does this apply to barbell vs dumbell? Is it simply variation? For shoulders are barbell presses going to give better size or dumbell?
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By Sylph.Tigerwoods 2013-12-25 14:52:22
I like to use both barbell and dumbbell where applicable. I love working the stabilizer muscles. I love my dumbbell bench press; but I also love doing barbell.
If I could only do one, however, would certainly be dumbbell.
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By Lakshmi.Watusa 2013-12-25 21:05:56
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Does this apply to barbell vs dumbell? Is it simply variation? For shoulders are barbell presses going to give better size or dumbell?
Standing military press will build the shoulders better than sitting dumbbell presses would. A lot of your core is involved in the lift as well as all the muscles being used in order to keep your body balanced throughout the lift. Try it once and you'll instantly fall in love with it as your favorite shoulder exercise, ***fatigues every delt head to hell. If you had to choose one or the other, military press wins. Ideally though I would have both standing military and arnold press in a shoulder routine.
Between dumbbells and barbells there really isn't a "better" in general. Both have their perks, therefor both should be incorporated in your routine. Example, I'll go 3 months of incline, flat and decline bench presses and then switch to dumbbell for a few weeks, and then go back to barbell.
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By Phoenix.Suji 2013-12-25 21:35:11
This thread is basically for discussing workouts and dietary intake for people who are trying to or looking to getting into better shape or eating healthier in general.
Any and all questions regarding either of the two can be asked and hopefully answered here as well.
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