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Merit Point Adjustments!
 Alexander.Kewitt
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By Alexander.Kewitt 2011-04-06 12:53:17
Asura.Ina said: It's not so much a balance thing... the idea behind the merit system is to make your character somewhat different from others in the jobs you enjoy (or just play) most. Opening it up 100% no caps would kinda kill the idea so I honestly don't see that happening.
The problem is currently. 95% of merits are the same for all people.
oo you have thf leveled.
You want THIS AND THIS AND THAT, merits to be the best.
Same goes for all other jobs. So inturn there are some useful merit ideas that aren't ever taken passed 1 upgrade because the others are more useful. So we are almost all the same anyways.
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By Leviathan.Alkalinejoe 2011-04-06 13:00:41
Cool, now I don't have to get rid of my lolscythe merits.
 Phoenix.Degs
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By Phoenix.Degs 2011-04-06 13:04:44
I kinda wish they could enhance the merit system in a way where, yes you would still be limited to picking a choosing where to put your merit points in, however it would be job type specific...
so then for each job type you could customize it, but maybe limit it to say 2 or 4 merit books that you can upload for each job, that way if you are running a DD, you could upload a DD merit book.. then the same would go for if you are running a mage the next time.. that way your mage isnt stuck with like str and dex merits, when you really need mnd and int.
Bahamut.Zorander
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By Bahamut.Zorander 2011-04-06 13:05:25
Cool, I can finally use merits again. I've been either 10/10 or 20/20 since abyssea came out..well besides LB stuff.
It's about time..with so many ppl having so many jobs this was needed along time ago. Wonder when they will just drop the cap all together.
 Ragnarok.Afania
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By Ragnarok.Afania 2011-04-06 13:07:48
Alexander.Kewitt said:
The problem is currently. 95% of merits are the same for all people.
oo you have thf leveled.
You want THIS AND THIS AND THAT, merits to be the best.
Same goes for all other jobs. So inturn there are some useful merit ideas that aren't ever taken passed 1 upgrade because the others are more useful. So we are almost all the same anyways.
For categories like combat skill or attributtes, those merit shows what job you're focusing on. So player focusing on BLM(but have WAR leveled) and player focusing on WAR their attribute will be different with merit. If we can cap all merit with no limit, then there's no point for the whole merit point system since no matter what job you level you'll have 5/5 attribute for everything and 8/8 for every skill. You'll gonna see every player all the same, wearing same gear(since gears are easy to obtain now) and running around in same combat skill/attribute. I honestly don't want to see that happening.
Phoenix.Degs
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By Phoenix.Degs 2011-04-06 13:20:52
To that respect, (everyone running around in the same gear etc..) Should add dyes to the game, outside of specific dyable gear would be a nice addition, be able to make any gear look a little different than everyone elses... Capes would be kinda cool too, would change with the back gear you wear of course, but maybe you could put on some kinda emblem...
anyway back to merit talk..
i really wonder how they are going to either refine or introduce a totally new system into the game. i hope they dont do it right at 99, but maybe do one part of it at 95 than another part of it at 99
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2011-04-06 13:34:28
Asura.Ina said: It's not so much a balance thing... the idea behind the merit system is to make your character somewhat different from others in the jobs you enjoy (or just play) most. Opening it up 100% no caps would kinda kill the idea so I honestly don't see that happening.
idk..I think uncapping the merits would allow ppl who really love one particular job to go hard with it. Take rng for example...if a person really loved that job why not give them the opportunity to keep raising their abilities to be the best they want to be....lvl 45 combat skill in archery/marksmanship...why not? As for the AH being borked I dont see how that would affect it.
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By Phoenix.Wackatramp 2011-04-06 13:51:43
It would be rad to have more magic based merits:
Magic evasion
Magic defense bonus
8 Seperate Elemental resist
Or in it's own categories
Haste (Natural) = 1% each upgrade 0/5
Subtle blow = 2 each upgrade 0/5
Movement speed = 1% each upgrade 0/5
Store Tp = +1 each upgrade 0/5
 Lakshmi.Seoha
サーバ: Lakshmi
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By Lakshmi.Seoha 2011-04-06 13:55:27
Phoenix.Wackatramp said: It would be rad to have more magic based merits: Magic evasion Magic defense bonus 8 Seperate Elemental resist Or in it's own categories Haste (Natural) = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Subtle blow = 2 each upgrade 0/5 Movement speed = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Store Tp = +1 each upgrade 0/5 What happens with Samurai merits "Store TP" then ?
That should be exclusively for SAM.
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2011-04-06 13:56:28
Lakshmi.Seoha said: Phoenix.Wackatramp said: It would be rad to have more magic based merits: Magic evasion Magic defense bonus 8 Seperate Elemental resist Or in it's own categories Haste (Natural) = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Subtle blow = 2 each upgrade 0/5 Movement speed = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Store Tp = +1 each upgrade 0/5 What happens with Samurai merits "Store TP" then ?
That should be exclusively for SAM.
I think he meant as a category for "all jobs" to have these available.
Lakshmi.Seoha
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By Lakshmi.Seoha 2011-04-06 13:57:04
Seraph.Gilhaven said: Lakshmi.Seoha said: Phoenix.Wackatramp said: It would be rad to have more magic based merits: Magic evasion Magic defense bonus 8 Seperate Elemental resist Or in it's own categories Haste (Natural) = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Subtle blow = 2 each upgrade 0/5 Movement speed = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Store Tp = +1 each upgrade 0/5 What happens with Samurai merits "Store TP" then ? That should be exclusively for SAM. I think he meant as a category for "all jobs" to have these available. oh, I see.
My bad!
no uh.. wait, my point still stands though.
All jobs to have store TP merits? I really think that should be exclusively for SAM really.
Other jobs can get away with a lot of 5 hit possibilities. Store TP however, plays the role of native job trait *only& to SAM.
I think it's fair if it remains for SAM only!
Cerberus.Wojo
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By Cerberus.Wojo 2011-04-06 14:02:29
Asura.Eeek said: Asura.Calatilla said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Eh ele/enfeeble merits are pretty useless tbh... Right now they pretty much are yes. We don't know what to expect at 99 yet though.
Yep. I've seen the error of my ways.
We've never been without atmas and we'll never be without atmas. I'm dropping all my +1 and +2 AF3 when I get home, and I'm selling off all my nuking and enfeebling gear. I shall gear my mages solely with NQ staves, Refresh gear, and MP gear.
Anything else is just silly.
Pretty much. Good BLM gear doesn't help you proc any sooner. And If your strategy is hope and pray that one day that BLM damage matters again, That didn't work out so good for my 'Magic Burst' gear that I worked so hard to collect and maintain. I'm still waiting for the day SE makes skill-chaining worthwhile again.
Going naked with Allur, MM and Apoc is really all you need for BLM now-a-days.
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By Seraph.Gilhaven 2011-04-06 14:06:00
Lakshmi.Seoha said: Seraph.Gilhaven said: Lakshmi.Seoha said: Phoenix.Wackatramp said: It would be rad to have more magic based merits: Magic evasion Magic defense bonus 8 Seperate Elemental resist Or in it's own categories Haste (Natural) = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Subtle blow = 2 each upgrade 0/5 Movement speed = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Store Tp = +1 each upgrade 0/5 What happens with Samurai merits "Store TP" then ? That should be exclusively for SAM. I think he meant as a category for "all jobs" to have these available. oh, I see.
My bad!
no uh.. wait, my point still stands though.
All jobs to have store TP merits? I really think that should be exclusively for SAM really.
Other jobs can get away with a lot of 5 hit possibilities. Store TP however, plays the role of native job trait *only& to SAM.
I think it's fair if it remains for SAM only!
I dont think 5/5 stp merits(so an extra 5 stp) on all jobs would really hurt sam that much...considering SAM would also be able to cash in on the extra 5 stp.
Cerberus.Wojo
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By Cerberus.Wojo 2011-04-06 14:09:38
Heh SE needs to add Haste merits to all jobs ! 100 merits per +1%, then 200 merits for the next, etc up to 500 merits for +5% haste
that'd be swell.
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By Leviathan.Alkalinejoe 2011-04-06 14:12:10
Seraph.Gilhaven said: Lakshmi.Seoha said: Seraph.Gilhaven said: Lakshmi.Seoha said: Phoenix.Wackatramp said: It would be rad to have more magic based merits: Magic evasion Magic defense bonus 8 Seperate Elemental resist Or in it's own categories Haste (Natural) = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Subtle blow = 2 each upgrade 0/5 Movement speed = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Store Tp = +1 each upgrade 0/5 What happens with Samurai merits "Store TP" then ? That should be exclusively for SAM. I think he meant as a category for "all jobs" to have these available. oh, I see.
My bad!
no uh.. wait, my point still stands though.
All jobs to have store TP merits? I really think that should be exclusively for SAM really.
Other jobs can get away with a lot of 5 hit possibilities. Store TP however, plays the role of native job trait *only& to SAM.
I think it's fair if it remains for SAM only!
I dont think 5/5 stp merits(so an extra 5 stp) on all jobs would really hurt sam that much...considering SAM would also be able to cash in on the extra 5 stp. NO! We can't let them 5-hit Masa easier!
By AsuraVanzan 2011-04-06 14:16:40
Sphere Grid = Mimic
17 ppl mimic blm casting M E T E O R
Game ends, credits roll, everybody goes outside
WIN
Lakshmi.Seoha
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By Lakshmi.Seoha 2011-04-06 14:17:26
AsuraVanzan said: Sphere Grid = Mimic 17 ppl mimic blm casting M E T E O R Game ends, credits roll, everybody goes outside WIN
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By Leviathan.Quetzacoatl 2011-04-06 14:19:38
Asura.Calatilla said: Leviathan.Draylo said: Eh ele/enfeeble merits are pretty useless tbh... Right now they pretty much are yes. We don't know what to expect at 99 yet though. I don't see how, to be honest. imo it's nice to have on hand when you're expecting resists on certain NMs, even with potency gear.
Lakshmi.Seoha
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By Lakshmi.Seoha 2011-04-06 14:21:16
Lakshmi.Mabrook said: AsuraVanzan said: Sphere Grid = Mimic 17 ppl mimic blm casting M E T E O R Game ends, credits roll, everybody goes outside WIN Impact* NO I WANT METEOR!
Impact is cool and all but METEOR is METEOR! With capital letters!
Like *** Bruce Willis staying in that huge rock to explode it and save the world, except that, well, Bruce Willis ain't gonna be there when I cast ALL THE TIME!
WOOOOO~~~~
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By Leviathan.Alkalinejoe 2011-04-06 14:25:32
Lakshmi.Seoha said: Lakshmi.Mabrook said: AsuraVanzan said: Sphere Grid = Mimic 17 ppl mimic blm casting M E T E O R Game ends, credits roll, everybody goes outside WIN Impact* NO I WANT METEOR!
Impact is cool and all but METEOR is METEOR! With capital letters!
Like *** Bruce Willis staying in that huge rock to explode it and save the world, except that, well, Bruce Willis ain't gonna be there when I cast ALL THE TIME!
WOOOOO~~~~ inb4 1 cast per conquest tally.
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 Siren.Stunx
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By Siren.Stunx 2011-04-06 14:26:07
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By Phoenix.Wackatramp 2011-04-06 14:28:34
Leviathan.Alkalinejoe said: Seraph.Gilhaven said: Lakshmi.Seoha said: Seraph.Gilhaven said: Lakshmi.Seoha said: Phoenix.Wackatramp said: It would be rad to have more magic based merits: Magic evasion Magic defense bonus 8 Seperate Elemental resist Or in it's own categories Haste (Natural) = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Subtle blow = 2 each upgrade 0/5 Movement speed = 1% each upgrade 0/5 Store Tp = +1 each upgrade 0/5 What happens with Samurai merits "Store TP" then ? That should be exclusively for SAM. I think he meant as a category for "all jobs" to have these available. oh, I see.
My bad!
no uh.. wait, my point still stands though.
All jobs to have store TP merits? I really think that should be exclusively for SAM really.
Other jobs can get away with a lot of 5 hit possibilities. Store TP however, plays the role of native job trait *only& to SAM.
I think it's fair if it remains for SAM only!
I dont think 5/5 stp merits(so an extra 5 stp) on all jobs would really hurt sam that much...considering SAM would also be able to cash in on the extra 5 stp. NO! We can't let them 5-hit Masa easier!
If were allowed the options I mentioned, it would allow for way more prime gear set-ups then our jobs have already. Reaches Haste cap? Merit 5/5 haste, and take that PoS Perle gear off. Want to replace that Mekki Shakki? Merit store TP 5/5 and done. Nm Has 12% movement speed and so do you? Heres a lil extra 5%. That's kind of the point. It won't exactly break SAMs job. It will just offer us more choices
Gilgamesh.Tweeek
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By Gilgamesh.Tweeek 2011-04-06 15:01:40
I can understand people not saying it's not amazing but I don't think it's a bad thing at all, kinda cool imo.
Lakshmi.Aurilius
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By Lakshmi.Aurilius 2011-04-06 15:39:04
You're putting way too much thought into something that won't happen. Love ya buddy.
The upcoming version update will see an increase to maximum limit for point allocation in certain merit point categories.
Maximum Total Ability Increase by Category
HP/MP: Increased from 8 to 12
Attributes: Increased from 5 to 8
Combat Skills: Increased from 20 to 32
Magic Skills: Increased from 16 to 24
Others: Increased from 8 to 10
Maximum Number of Upgrades by Ability
HP/MP: Increased from 8 to 12
Attributes: Increased from 5 to 8
Others: Increased from 4 to 5
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