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 Odin.Zicdeh
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 04:28:29  
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1023: Japanese authorities are extending the evacuation zone around the two Fukushima nuclear plants from 10km to 20km, according to local media.

I'm no Oppenheimer, but I think we've officially got a nuclear catastrophe unfolding.
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-03-12 04:29:38  
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Ugh

I *** hate facebook.

What in the *** is wrong with people?
most history classes bash into their heads pearl harbor now a days iirc (or may just be mine til we got new history teacher) so they act like it happened yesterday :/

I'm pretty sure the closest those kind of people get to actual history, is Ben Afleck shooting down a Zero with a Colt 1911.

that movie was historically accurate and awesome, just like 300, AMERICA *** YEAH!

but seriously , people are stupid terrorists attacked 9-11, but arent we over there trying to bring them "democracy"?
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 04:32:21  
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1023: Japanese authorities are extending the evacuation zone around the two Fukushima nuclear plants from 10km to 20km, according to local media.

I'm no Oppenheimer, but I think we've officially got a nuclear catastrophe unfolding.

My main concern is whether the fuel, supposing it really did melt, could go critical again. Does anyone know if this is a possibility at this point?
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By Asura.Vyre 2011-03-12 04:33:34  
Odin.Zicdeh said:
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Ugh I *** hate facebook.
What in the *** is wrong with people?
An overwhelming majority of People are *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE this is not news. And it seems the more HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE someone is, the more ***they have to say.
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By Alexander.Jukie 2011-03-12 04:34:38  
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Ugh

I *** hate facebook.

That's got to be fake?! People can't be this... I can't even think of a word. *** morons
 
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By Carbuncle.Lynxblade 2011-03-12 04:35:34  
Alexander.Jukie said:
Shiva.Flionheart said:

Ugh

I *** hate facebook.

That's got to be fake?! People can't be this... I can't even think of a word. *** morons

I take it you dont socialize with us americans much >_>
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 04:35:48  
Asura.Vyre said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
Unicorn.Crysten said:
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Ugh I *** hate facebook.
What in the *** is wrong with people?
An overwhelming majority of People are *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE this is not news. And it seems the more HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE someone is, the more ***they have to say.


Speaking of that

inb4 WBBC "Thank God for Nuclear Meltdowns" <If those backwater *** even know what that means>
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 04:35:59  
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@BBCBreaking via Twitter said:
1009: "This is starting to look a lot like Chernobyl" Walt Patterson, an associate fellow with Chatham House, has told the BBC after seeing pictures of the explosion at the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant. "The nuclear agency says that they have detected caesium and iodine outside the unit, which certainly indicates fuel melting at the very least," he says. "Once you have melting fuel coming into contact with water, that would almost certainly be the cause of the explosion."
Dasva, thoughts? Does that really indicate what he claims it does? Isn't this the sort of thing you said could re-ignite reactions?
It could. I'd wait though.

And yes fuel does cause it can cause water to seperate into it's compenent gasses in fact it's normalish in a reactor but usually keep things pressurized and and disolved in the water. And usually lower temp fuel plates the heat can do it too.

And no it probably wouldn't. Ok some basics. It's not an explosion or anything that starts the reaction. It is always going on. Right now most of it is from the decay of fission products which is also where most the heat is coming from. But even after it's been shutdown forever and a day there will still be source neutrons from spontaneous fission and such. In order to achieve a criticality on average each fission event needs to create on average 1 neutron that will go on to create another fission. Average number of neutrons released per fission event is mainly dependent fuel type. Now how many go on is dependent on alot of things alot of which we control in order to control power. Basically the neutrons will usually get absorbed by other stuff. Or wont have enough energy to split the fuel (not sure which kind this reactor uses). That's actually the point of the control rods. They absorb neutrons super awesome lowering how many go on to be absorbed greatly. Indeed the spacing between the fuel and loaded poisons and such also kinda limit it. The loss of water also helps this as it is also often used to reflect the neutrons back to the fuel and now air in that space doesn't work as good. If they are using enriched fuel the water also is used to slow them down giving a greater chance of absorption. An explosion could help seperate fuel even more.

Or tldr pretty much in the end closeness of fuel material that restarts it. Which is why nuclear explosions need an actual implossive event to cause an increase in rate of reactions fast enough to do that. And between the rods in there and poisons loaded in the fuel itself and distance kept between it would general require stuff melting back together. It's actually designed like this with stuff like this in mind
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 04:42:27  
Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou said:
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I'm no Oppenheimer, but I think we've officially got a nuclear catastrophe unfolding.
My main concern is whether the fuel, supposing it really did melt, could go critical again. Does anyone know if this is a possibility at this point?
Sounds like they are pretty sure there is radiactive particulates in the air and don't want anyone close enough to possibly breath it in.

It probably wont as design features make it much harder. But if it did we'd just bury it in concrete.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 04:42:48  
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Why do people insist on calling any nuclear problem "another Chernobyl"?

There will never be another Chernobyl. No country in their right mind builds such a shitty nuclear power plant as that was nowadays.


It's the most widely known analogy to a nuclear disaster. The fact that it happened to the "Bad Guys" helped perpetuate its popularity. You don't hear about SRE or 3 Mile Island nearly as much.
 
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By Titan.Prefalin 2011-03-12 04:43:51  
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Why do people insist on calling any nuclear problem "another Chernobyl"?

There will never be another Chernobyl. No country in their right mind builds such a shitty nuclear power plant as that was nowadays.
maybe because a lot of ppl dont understand much about nuclear plants besides what hollywood has petrayed them to be? o.o
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 04:43:55  
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It's the most widely known analogy to a nuclear disaster. The fact that it happened to the "Bad Guys" helped perpetuate its popularity. You don't hear about SRE or 3 Mile Island nearly as much.
Almost no one has heard of SL1 even though the steam explosion got someone someone impaled to the ceiling... it was far worst than TMI
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 04:45:19  
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Why do people insist on calling any nuclear problem "another Chernobyl"?

There will never be another Chernobyl. No country in their right mind builds such a shitty nuclear power plant as that was nowadays.
To be fair no other country in there right mind would've done that back then either. And it was more than just poor design. But also not being mindful of some of it's flaws. Rushing things. Operator errors. Using the backup crew that hadn't really trained for it for initial startup testing etc
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 04:46:48  
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Odin.Zicdeh said:
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Why do people insist on calling any nuclear problem "another Chernobyl"?

There will never be another Chernobyl. No country in their right mind builds such a shitty nuclear power plant as that was nowadays.


It's the most widely known analogy to a nuclear disaster. The fact that it happened to the "Bad Guys" helped perpetuate its popularity. You don't hear about SRE or 3 Mile Island nearly as much.

Because something like 3 Mile Island was not even comparable.

When drawing from a resource pool as small as civilian nuclear calamities, the similarities far outweigh the differences.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 04:49:49  
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1045: BBC environment correspondent Roger Harrabin says local officials believe the release of radiation following the nuclear plant explosion is likely to be small. He adds that nuclear incidents aren't always as serious as they may sound or appear, and actually, in terms of loss of life and destruction, accidents at hydroelectric plants are far more dangerous.

I don't like that they're talking about it as if it's inevitable.
 
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 04:50:12  
Odin.Zicdeh said:
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Why do people insist on calling any nuclear problem "another Chernobyl"? There will never be another Chernobyl. No country in their right mind builds such a shitty nuclear power plant as that was nowadays.
It's the most widely known analogy to a nuclear disaster. The fact that it happened to the "Bad Guys" helped perpetuate its popularity. You don't hear about SRE or 3 Mile Island nearly as much.
Because something like 3 Mile Island was not even comparable.
When drawing from a resource pool as small as civilian nuclear calamities, the similarities far outweigh the differences.
Theres more accidents than you'd think but most are really minor. TMI was nothing in terms of effects outside of the facility
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 04:53:01  
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On an unrelated note I hate those *** idiotic hippies that want everyone to apparently be in the dark ages. We have Chernobyl and now possibly this (I am optimistic about it at the moment) causing people to say no to nuclear power.
***TMI singlehandedly halted US nuclear proliferation for a good 20 years. Not an exerageration. Before that more and more plants were built each year. For 20 years after that less and less while the rest of the world built more. And in all reality it wasn't bad at all. Certainly nothing anyone not working there should be concerned about.
 
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 04:53:25  
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What annoys me is I know that is partially it.

I love the environment more than most posters on here. However the world has a massive population and needs to provide fuel and power to it. We have a money hungry BP which ignores safety procedures, rushes drilling that falls behind schedule, and ignores problems that arise. So we have a massive catastrophe that makes everyone say "no" to drilling for oil.

On an unrelated note I hate those *** idiotic hippies that want everyone to apparently be in the dark ages.

We have Chernobyl and now possibly this (I am optimistic about it at the moment) causing people to say no to nuclear power.

We have Obamallama and the EPA bringing the hammer down on coal.

Then there's the rising costs of everything because of this, and *** I hate humanity I swear.



The Irony is, the incident at Chernobyl turned out to be a positive thing for the environment there, at least after the situation was dealt with. Wildlife thrives in the contaminated areas.

You only need look a few posts before with that facebook crap, to see just how far people are willing to look with even one iota of reason or logic.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 04:54:18  
Please don't feed Spicy. This post really doesn't need to be derailed into a big political debate.
 
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2011-03-12 04:56:26  
Are they still experiencing aftershocks?

 
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 04:57:27  
They were a few hours ago. I'd be surprised if they'd stopped by now, the count is already over 100.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kanjirou 2011-03-12 04:58:25  
@BBCBreaking via Twitter said:
1052: Neil McKeown in Nakameguro, Tokyo writes: "The evacuation zone has been extended to 20km by the government. However TepCo [the Tokyo Electric Power Company] appeared in a news conference and promised to release new radioactivity readings after 6pm. It is now 7.30pm and they have not done so. People are getting extremely frustrated at the lack of news coming from TepCo and the government - they have yet to confirm if the building that suffered an explosion housed a reactor, and we have no indication how much radiation has been released or in what direction winds are blowing."
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By Bahamut.Dasva 2011-03-12 04:59:13  
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
Bahamut.Dasva said:
Pandemonium.Spicyryan said:
On an unrelated note I hate those *** idiotic hippies that want everyone to apparently be in the dark ages. We have Chernobyl and now possibly this (I am optimistic about it at the moment) causing people to say no to nuclear power.
***TMI singlehandedly halted US nuclear proliferation for a good 20 years. And in all reality it wasn't bad at all. Certainly nothing anyone not working there should be concerned about.
I would never work at one of those plants (I would not really work at any of them) and I am sure most people would not, so,,
I have and would... got a few applications out now actually. The pay is awesome. And normally really safe. Well physically. All the rules and regulations because it is nuclear power is enough to drive anyone batshit crazy
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